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Old 10-23-2020, 03:30 PM   #2826
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The system is not fwd until slip. People need to stop stating this. If you want to talk about the MK4 Golf R, yes, that was fwd until slip. But the modern BW system is preemptive. I have personally logged the system activation throughout various driving conditions, dry, wet, snow. It varies continuously and very rarely does anything ever slip without the system being at 100% engagement.

As far as weight distribution, there were a few people who had their R's corner balanced and stock there was a very small difference L to R without a driver in the car. Obviously once a driver gets in all bets are off because everyone weighs different. This isn't a problem.
How dare you speak of these strange AWD systems in our church?
It's easier to believe in the sacrosanct Subaru symmetrical AWD system. Amen.
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Old 10-23-2020, 04:35 PM   #2827
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The system is not fwd until slip. People need to stop stating this. If you want to talk about the MK4 Golf R, yes, that was fwd until slip. But the modern BW system is preemptive. I have personally logged the system activation throughout various driving conditions, dry, wet, snow. It varies continuously and very rarely does anything ever slip without the system being at 100% engagement.

As far as weight distribution, there were a few people who had their R's corner balanced and stock there was a very small difference L to R without a driver in the car. Obviously once a driver gets in all bets are off because everyone weighs different. This isn't a problem.
I'd just prefer full time AWD while driving, not 90/10 or whatever the BW system uses. I realize there is pre-loaded 50/50 from a dead stop.
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Old 10-23-2020, 04:42 PM   #2828
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At least where the CVT is concerned, Subaru's AWD isn't evenly split at all times. It's front-biased at I believe 60/40 at somewhat rest, although it's apparently disingenuous to put a number on it since it's constantly adapting where power is sent within each second. Computers doing computer things.
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Old 10-23-2020, 04:47 PM   #2829
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At least where the CVT is concerned, Subaru's AWD isn't evenly split at all times. It's front-biased at I believe 60/40 at somewhat rest, although it's apparently disingenuous to put a number on it since it's constantly adapting where power is sent within each second. Computers doing computer things.
Yes, 60/40 but that's a lot better than 90/10. You can tell the difference when driving. Example, the Acura MDX SH-AWD, which is basically 90/10: get on the gas, and you can tell the fronts are doing all the work. The Crosstrek feels like power is shared amongst all the wheels. I've also had the MDX get stuck going forward in a parking lot w/ a little snow bc the rears didn't get enough torque to break us free. Only got out by reversing.
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Old 10-23-2020, 05:14 PM   #2830
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I wish (more) cars came with driver input preferences where front or rear bias is concerned, for those of us who would enjoy choosing. I always assumed that's what these "modes" would be used for, but they seem to favor throttle response and suspension tuning.
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Old 10-23-2020, 05:40 PM   #2831
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And I used to think AWD was AWD. Under 90% of daily driving conditions would one be able to tell the difference between Subaru and Audi AWD systems?
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Old 10-23-2020, 05:51 PM   #2832
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And I used to think AWD was AWD. Under 90% of daily driving conditions would one be able to tell the difference between Subaru and Audi AWD systems?
Confirmation bias crowd will say yes, I will say no.
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Old 10-23-2020, 06:21 PM   #2833
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And I used to think AWD was AWD. Under 90% of daily driving conditions would one be able to tell the difference between Subaru and Audi AWD systems?
Which Subaru AWD system?
Which Audi AWD system?
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Old 10-23-2020, 06:40 PM   #2834
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I am just reading a slight way back in here, but the STI has gone off the rails by listening to most of the folks on these threads. It's bigger, more bloated, more luxurious, quieter, has more features, costs more, and is now (still) slower than the original. Stop worrying about adaptive fancy shmancy interior stuff and bring back the raw AWD rally car that makes folks think twice about calling them slow Subarus. I'd rather the reviews say it's loud and stiff and scary to drive full tilt, not compliment the choice of materials and compare it to unreliable German bloatware.

I sold my 06 STI recently because even it was no longer competitive against even the normal stuff on the road. The new STI's have just been getting more and more disappointing since 06. Which consequently was when they left WRC
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Old 10-23-2020, 06:42 PM   #2835
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The STI is still relatively light compared to when it debuted, and that's with the increased size and safety features. And the base STI price has held pretty strong considering inflation.
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Old 10-23-2020, 06:49 PM   #2836
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...While the WRX price barely increased. That extra cost on the STI didn't come in the form of added performance.
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Old 10-23-2020, 06:57 PM   #2837
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Which Subaru AWD system?

Which Audi AWD system?


STI AWD vs competitors like RS3, M340x, or Carrera 4.
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Old 10-23-2020, 07:12 PM   #2838
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And I used to think AWD was AWD. Under 90% of daily driving conditions would one be able to tell the difference between Subaru and Audi AWD systems?
Pretty sure if someone made my car FWD, only way Id figure it out is snow.
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Old 10-23-2020, 08:01 PM   #2839
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so you're competing with cars on the road....right....

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I am just reading a slight way back in here, but the STI has gone off the rails by listening to most of the folks on these threads. It's bigger, more bloated, more luxurious, quieter, has more features, costs more, and is now (still) slower than the original. Stop worrying about adaptive fancy shmancy interior stuff and bring back the raw AWD rally car that makes folks think twice about calling them slow Subarus. I'd rather the reviews say it's loud and stiff and scary to drive full tilt, not compliment the choice of materials and compare it to unreliable German bloatware.

I sold my 06 STI recently because even it was no longer competitive against even the normal stuff on the road. The new STI's have just been getting more and more disappointing since 06. Which consequently was when they left WRC
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Old 10-23-2020, 08:40 PM   #2840
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so you're competing with cars on the road....right....
No, I autocross and track and rallycross. That is why I buy fun cars.
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Old 10-23-2020, 08:43 PM   #2841
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Fair enough...I would agree if you are competitive in any of those there are much better options than the STI....for a daily driver I think the STI is fine...

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Old 10-23-2020, 09:37 PM   #2842
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Fair enough...I would agree if you are competitive in any of those there are much better options than the STI....for a daily driver I think the STI is fine...
STI for daily is a waste. There are better choices. STI is for competition driving.
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STI is for whatever you want.
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STI is for whatever you want.
In spirit I agree, but relative to the WRX in practicality I disagree.
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Old 10-23-2020, 10:33 PM   #2845
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Six of one half-dozen of the other. The WRX is cheaper, but they're both fine.
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Old 10-23-2020, 11:37 PM   #2846
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How is the STI a good track car? It understeers, is a manual so is slower, and doesn't have any trickery which would help. The front wheel drive type R and megane RS destroy it on a track so I don't get the track hype of the STI.

And I've driven both golf r, rs3 and STI on the road and I don't think the STI has a superior noticeable awd system. I don't have snow, and they all understeer as bad as each other. I can't tell STI is permanent awd compared to the others Haldex in terms of grip or handling. On the road.

Oh no I don't drive on the track, probably much like 99% of real world non-nasioc people who buy their wrx and sti new. Here in nz your warranty doesn't cover track days.
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Old 10-23-2020, 11:44 PM   #2847
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I wouldn't say the STI is terrible on track, I've only took it racing 2 times and I'm placing 7th out of 14 in my class, on stock tires. Only mods are swaybars, DP, AP and CF driveshaft and GrpN bushings.




*It's worth noting 1st in my class is an automatic trans lol

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90%+ of NASIOC people don't track their cars either.
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Old 10-24-2020, 12:02 AM   #2849
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90%+ of NASIOC people don't track their cars either.
Considering how few people are left here, its probably more like 50% now.

90% is more like the Facebook groups now

Also, the STI is an excellent daily driver minus the gas mileage and an excellent track car minus the seats.
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Old 10-24-2020, 12:06 AM   #2850
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Big fact on the seats....I would like to push the car harder but the fact the stock seats can not even accommodate a harness is sad....i'm using the CG lock for now...
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Considering how few people are left here, its probably more like 50% now.

90% is more like the Facebook groups now

Also, the STI is an excellent daily driver minus the gas mileage and an excellent track car minus the seats.
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