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04-07-2004, 01:49 AM | #1 |
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camber/castor plates and ride height
im looking into c/c plates for auto-x since my tax return will be coming shortly. so far the "street" version of the noltecs are catching my eye due to the fact these plates will be going on my daily driver and they actually have some dampening material in them. the one drawback i see is that they will raise the front of the car around 3/4". are there any other c/c plates out there that wont raise the front end at all? the raising of the front end bothers me 1) for looks and 2) because im raising the center of gravity after ive already tried to lower the center of gravity with my springs. any suggestions?
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04-07-2004, 01:44 PM | #2 |
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its more like 1/2 and inch but it is noticable
your loseing wheel travel at the expinse of lower center of gravity pde also makes a version. very expensive iirc |
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04-07-2004, 05:45 PM | #4 |
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If you don't have a STB, Ground Control makes a strut-over design that will lower the car a little: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=498436
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04-07-2004, 06:25 PM | #5 |
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I have the PDE camber adjusters on my car and they work great - they are on the pricey side, but (there is always a but!) the quality, design and engineering justify it IMO. Also, they don't raise the ride height much (approximately 3/8") and are probably the strongest plates out there.
I have read about the GC's but I haven't seen them in person - I believe you have to use a coil-over suspension with them because they replace the top spring perch. Here is some more info about the PDE's: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=531850 Matt |
04-08-2004, 02:07 AM | #6 |
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the gc's sound like a great setup to me and i was very interested in them until i read they only work with coilovers. the pde plates look awesome but i just dont want to pay that much. anybody know anything about tein plates? thanks for the help.
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04-08-2004, 10:26 AM | #7 |
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I have the MRT rear plates. They are the same as the Noltecs by the way. Just so you know, the rear camber adjustment is great and is aften needed when lowering. Even with cruddy camber bolts. However, they will raise the rear 1/2 inch. Yes, I did notice. Double adjustable coilovers make lowering with out affecting preload a snap. Otherwise you will have very different pre-load from front to rear and static spring rates in the case of progressive springs.
Also, those plates do no not actually fit an a WRX correctly despite what is advertised. At least not in my 03. Minor alteration IS required. Tein sells the front plates by them selves by the way. Very thin. Similar to Cusco. Bushing material for the front is not a bit thing. I noticed no difference in noise level with solid front plates. The Teins should fit. You cna call them and ask. Also, if they do not, it is usually because you need a thicker or thinner sleeve to fit the strut tube. I had to drill out my sleeve for the rear MRT plates to fit Tein coilovers. No biggie. Had a shop do it. You can have a shop make or drill a sleeve for about 10 bucks. I would opt for the Teins personally. |
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I think that tien only makes camber plates... how important is increasing camber to you?
Edit: how imporant is increasing caster to you? Last edited by zosima; 04-08-2004 at 02:24 PM. |
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Hotchkis makes some extremely nice camber plates
function and fashion since you can get anodized red or blue cover plates for them |
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ALL that must be taken into consideration if using the Noltec plates is that you have to use a front spring that is 1/2" - 3/4" shorter than springs that you use otherwise to get the ride height that you desire.
I fail to see why there is any possible confusion here. This is not rocket science, and my car handles great and I have no problems at all....I just used a shorter front spring. Simple. |
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Big negative IMHO, especially if you want to use something different, ie coilover, in the future. BriDrive |
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04-08-2004, 03:06 PM | #13 | |
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On my personal car (KYB AGX, PDE plates, 1.5" lower front springs/1" lower rear springs) I sometimes wish I had a bit more front travel for big bumps... |
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I qualified what I had to say right after that, and you did NOT include that!!!! If YOU don't like what I have to say.....FINE.....BUT DON'T paraphrase my post like that. |
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Uhh, the point uncle scotty is that by dropping even LOWER, you are going to have hardly any travel. I didn't see that anywhere in your post. I believe thats the point speedabsolute was trying to make.
And that is a very legitimate concern. I am using the GC plates, which are supposed to raise your car very little, and even at .8" lower in front with GC's and Konis, i have very little travel. I do not know how people can lower their cars 2" on stock struts and retain any sort of travel at all..... |
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...and I would very much like to run Ground Control's and be able to get some travel back but the roads around me are pretty good and there is only one railroad crossing that I 'bang' on...and I just don't have the $$$ for them at the moment...so.... Also....SpeedAbsolute....I'm sorry but you found one of the things that really pisses me off....I don't mean to be an ass...but I am at times. My apologies fot that. |
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Try to be alittle less.......abrasive. Gets old quick.
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04-08-2004, 06:41 PM | #20 |
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right now im running on prodrive springs and stock struts. in the next month or 2 im planning on adding koni inserts. i dont want to switch out springs because i like the prodrives, and i dont see myself ever needing or wanting to mess with coilovers- too great an oportunity to nail a crappy setup. this is my daily driver but its also my auto-x car so ultimate camber is not my goal. if i could get -3 degrees of camber id be fine with that, i dont think ill need much more. if i can get more camber thats definately a plus though. i really want to try to get as much castor a possible. im wanting to get as close to 5 degrees of castor as i can. the hotchkis plates look nice but i dont see and havent read anything about those altering castor. the pde's are starting to look better and better, maybe ill just spend more money now to be happier in the long run.
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04-08-2004, 06:53 PM | #21 |
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Some camber tops can be installed so that they provide castEr rather than camber....
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