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Old 02-24-2019, 10:46 AM   #1
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Default Proís and Conís list, WRX and STI buying help.

Sorry for making a dozen posts guys, but after a few weeks of research I have decided the WRX or the STI is the best car for me.

Regardless of which one I choose I love the community, comraderie, aftermarket availability of parts and the feeling I get by driving them, itís unmatched by any other car Iíve test driven.

So if anyone can help a little more Iíve developed a proís and conís list.

Before I get into the proís and conís I have come to the reality of what I will actually do with this car, I love to modify, know my way around an engine quite well and can do most basic maintenance (oil, brakes, timing belt, water pump, struts, and some basic electrical diagnosis once or twice), however the car will be my DD, so I would like something that I can get from A to B without much stress of whether I will make it there or not, Iíd like to have the vehicle for as long as possible. My commute to work is only 5-10 minutes, but I enjoy driving and like to just drive on the weekends. Getting done with a good workout and just forgetting all my problems with some mountain carving and downshifting is one of my simple pleasures in life.

My main goals are:

- Noise, as cliche and ricey as it sounds, I love a good exhaust note, turbo flutter, wastegates, burbles and cracks, air intake sounds, and all that stuff, so with that being said having a car make fun and interesting noises is 25% of the fun for me.

- aftermarket availability for cosmetic mods. Nothing crazy, but mud flaps, headlights, wheels, tires, chin spoilers etc.

So on to the proís and conís from someone who hasnít driven either for an extensive period of time.

WRX Proís
- fuel economy
- newer engine
- larger margin for aftermarket parts before needing to do an engine build (from what I read)
- the better ďdailyĒ
- less expensive

WRX conís
- Not an STI
- No wing
- No 6 piston brakes
- Less impressive transmission and driving feel due to the electronic steering

STI proís
- Wing (I know, sadly Iím superficial)
- 6 piston brakes
- hydraulic steering
- more engaged driving feel
- bulletproof transmission

STI conís
- expensive
- old engine
- mediocre fuel economy
- less margin for aftermarket mods before needing an engine rebuild

I have cross shopped a 2015 Evo, Focus RS, Civic Type R, and M235i. While all of them seem great in the moment, the only one I felt gave me that great driving feel was the Evo, and the RS. The Type R was really refined and took corners like a champ, but itís still a Civic at heart, which would bother me. The RS is a blast, but I question fords reliability, and lastly the Evo with 16k miles would be a great option, but I havenít done a great extent of research on the Evo, and for almost $30k, I could get something with a warranty.

Any help is appreciated, sorry for all the posts, I just wanna make the right decision and not have to buy again or trade in for a very long time!
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Old 02-24-2019, 11:09 AM   #2
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If it comes down to the Subaru it sounds like an Sti is for you if you can handle the less than stellar MPG and extra expense of the car itself. The brakes are better but the wrx brakes are just fine. The Ej might be an older engine but it has far more support and all issues with it have been figured out now.
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Old 02-24-2019, 11:26 AM   #3
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Coming from a person who went from a 2018 wrx to a 2018 sti here are my thoughts
1. Wrx drive train is lacking compared to the sti
2. FA20 while it feels quicker you have to spend about a 1500 to get to the sti power levels and even with a “reputable” e-tuner your engine can still grenade itself quite easily, not saying that an EJ is reliable but if left mainly stock it will last a long time
3. Exhaust sound on wrx is no where near as nice as on an sti
4. Brakes are way better

Plus the THE WING!!! Lol the sti just feels better overall, if you can afford the sti then I would hands down go with it
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Old 02-24-2019, 01:24 PM   #4
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If it's your only car, get the STI.
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Old 02-24-2019, 07:28 PM   #5
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As a daily? WRX

I tested both, and ride quality, fuel economy, and cost made me get the WRX. I travel across the country at least once a year and the STI's harder ride would suck for that.

Plus I'm not going to mess with the DCCD and I don't track my car. The STi would be under used and I would have overpaid.
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Old 02-24-2019, 08:18 PM   #6
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I'd recommend bringing pizza into your favorite local Subaru tuning shop. Tell them you're trying to make this decision and ask them to just BS about what they like and don't like, potential and what they've done with each platform.

I know what I'd buy, but my priorities are different than yours.
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Old 02-24-2019, 08:31 PM   #7
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Resale/residual values are always better on the STi . Unless you plan to pay cash and keep the car till the end of time , at some point the car will be sold/traded/parted out.

Look at 5&10yr old used WRX vs STi prices.

If you can genuinely afford 37-41k payments and insurance , come trade-in time , you will be miles further ahead in value.
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Old 02-24-2019, 10:01 PM   #8
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If you're planning on modding get the STI if you can afford it. I have still yet to do any power mods on my 16 and 19 STi's as stock I enjoy them just fine. Having an intact warranty is a nice thing to have.
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Old 02-25-2019, 12:46 PM   #9
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sti all the way imo...the driving experience is much better, also has better suspension components stock than the wrx. reliability is there as long as you take care of it...a tune will help with that considerably...i don't mess with my dccd usually, but when i have 2 wheels off the ground (regularly happens getting into my driveway) or road i feel like being daring on some ice, full lock gets me out of all of it, i do still have to worry about braking lol! but the sti is better built all around imo, aftermarket support is amazing on this car!
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Old 02-25-2019, 04:04 PM   #10
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Assuming you're keeping power under 350ish tq, the Fa20 is the better engine by far. But thats about it for the wrx. The Sti has stiffer suspension, better brakes, much better trans and steering feel, boxer rumble and that wing you would like. You just have to ask yourself if its worth the extra money. If I were you I would get the wrx and take the extra money you saved from not buying the sti and put it into the wrx. Power wise, the fa20 responds much better up until fueling becomes an issue but for a dd I dont see you running into that problem.
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Old 02-26-2019, 08:15 AM   #11
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For WRX cons you forgot a few things.

ē rev-hang ( if keeping stock tune)
ē uneven power delivery ( if keeping stock tune)
ē carbon build up due to DI

If I could go back, I would have got the STI and skipped the WRX
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Old 02-26-2019, 08:39 AM   #12
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With such a short commute, I'd definitely go with the STI as the improved fuel economy of the WRX isn't going to benefit you much, plus you won't have the oil warmed up in time and LSPI is a risk with low oil temps in the twin scroll of the new WRX.
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Old 02-26-2019, 11:38 AM   #13
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With such a short commute, I'd definitely go with the STI as the improved fuel economy of the WRX isn't going to benefit you much, plus you won't have the oil warmed up in time and LSPI is a risk with low oil temps in the twin scroll of the new WRX.
Good point this was something I was unsure in General with a turbo engine.

How long should you generally warm up/cool down the car if my commute is generally only 5-10 minutes?

I am pretty interested in the RS as well after reading some reviews, but itís a Focus and it has that ugly blue oval
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Old 02-26-2019, 12:36 PM   #14
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Good point this was something I was unsure in General with a turbo engine.

How long should you generally warm up/cool down the car if my commute is generally only 5-10 minutes?

I am pretty interested in the RS as well after reading some reviews, but itís a Focus and it has that ugly blue oval
It's not about time, but about oil temp. Oil temp should be around 160 before going WOT or getting heavily into boost. As far as how to long to wait till you start driving, 30 seconds to 2 minutes is acceptable.
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Old 02-27-2019, 10:51 AM   #15
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For WRX cons you forgot a few things.

ē rev-hang ( if keeping stock tune)
ē uneven power delivery ( if keeping stock tune)
ē carbon build up due to DI

If I could go back, I would have got the STI and skipped the WRX
Uneven power delivery is definitely a problem with the 2019 STI too. Cobb stage 1 ots tune smoothed it right out. Haven't driven an FA WRX so I can't say whether the uneven power delivery is worse or better.
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Old 02-27-2019, 11:00 AM   #16
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^how would you describe the uneven power delivery on the STI?

I don't think it's like that even a little
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Old 02-27-2019, 04:03 PM   #17
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If the STI will be your daily-driver and commuter in stop-and-go traffic, then consider another vehicle.
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Old 02-27-2019, 07:39 PM   #18
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^how would you describe the uneven power delivery on the STI?

I don't think it's like that even a little
I think he was talking about the WRX with the dip around 5K RPM. The STI is relatively consistent even in factory form.

Also, no need to sit idling your car in the am unless like near -40F.
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Old 02-27-2019, 08:13 PM   #19
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Default Proís and Conís list, WRX and STI buying help.

You mentioned you tried the BMW m235i , but is not on your final list . I wonder why?
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Old 02-28-2019, 07:51 AM   #20
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You mentioned you tried the BMW m235i , but is not on your final list . I wonder why?
Because it's a BMW with BMW reliability (lack thereof) and maintenance costs.
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Old 02-28-2019, 06:51 PM   #21
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STI, unless it's a Spec R1 😉
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Old 02-28-2019, 08:10 PM   #22
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Because it's a BMW with BMW reliability (lack thereof) and maintenance costs.


But how does it compare with RS/ STI/ WRX? Iím sure the interior and ride quality is much better.
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Old 02-28-2019, 10:19 PM   #23
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But how does it compare with RS/ STI/ WRX? I’m sure the interior and ride quality is much better.
Based on my personal experience, it's far worse with a BMW. In our family's case, it wasn't even the engine that was the problem all the time (although it had a few issues). Just every little thing broke over and over and we always were charged absolutely ridiculous sums of money to fix things, especially as it got older. All of our Subaru experiences since have been leaps and bounds better. That said, of course the BMW is likely more comfortable and a better ride; that's kinda the point. You don't buy an STi for ride quality and soft seats. That's what the Legacy is for.

That's just how our family has experienced the difference, results may vary lol.
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Old 03-03-2019, 06:21 PM   #24
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I drive a TON of miles. Have put 20k on my wrx in about a year so far. Im not going to pretend i could take advantage of the benefits an STI would have over a wrx. Hell I cant even take advantage of what a wrx can do, but I also dont care. This car I take to work.. you know being an adult. Pretending im some super rally car driver is a pipedream.

Both are fine cars. Get what works for you. The differences are pretty well known. Im not sure I could handle a firmer ride than the wrx already gives and it IS pretty firm.

That said for the summer and daily commuting ill honestly probably get some sort of electric even as efficient as the FA is (im averaging over 27mpg).
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Old 03-03-2019, 08:50 PM   #25
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This car I take to work.. you know being an adult. Pretending im some super rally car driver is a pipedream.
I take my STi to work every day, is that somehow not "being an adult"?
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