Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Monday March 25, 2019
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > General Community

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-04-2019, 11:56 PM   #1
subieaaron
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 464672
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Vehicle:
2004 Impreza WRX STi
Bluuuue

Default New CA exhaust law 2019

I want to get some opinions on the new exhaust law for the CHP in Cali. To me it sounds pretty harsh, with a fix it ticket and a fine, and possible state ref. Is a catted downpipe and a resonated cat back still safe? How can I/other people save themselves from fines?
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
subieaaron is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 01-05-2019, 12:03 AM   #2
carlos.danger
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 363268
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: California
Vehicle:
2015 WRX STi
WRB

Default

Stay stock.

Move out.

Pay to play.

Choose one.
carlos.danger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2019, 02:27 AM   #3
subarumod
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 468745
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: SoCAL
Vehicle:
06 wrx
black as your girls soul.

Default

Well, I played for a decade with no problems.. Than got hit with a state ref.. I got the ticket today, it doesnt mention anything about the state ref, but it is expensive if I just want to pay it.. My plan is to keep all my upgrades and cap it off with a stock exhaust.. Now you wont hear me...
subarumod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2019, 09:32 AM   #4
Jack
Add Lightness
Moderator
 
Member#: 13699
Join Date: Dec 2001
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Hopkinton, MA
Vehicle:
not my president
(From General)

Default

What does the new law require? No, wait, let me guess. All exhaust must be made from materials derived from sea weed. That it?
Jack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2019, 11:25 AM   #5
fuelMuncher
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 301554
Join Date: Nov 2011
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: California
Vehicle:
2002 WRX Wagon
PSM, 2007 OBP WRX Limited

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by subarumod View Post
Well, I played for a decade with no problems.. Than got hit with a state ref.. I got the ticket today, it doesnt mention anything about the state ref, but it is expensive if I just want to pay it.. My plan is to keep all my upgrades and cap it off with a stock exhaust.. Now you wont hear me...


What type of exhaust are you running?
fuelMuncher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2019, 11:28 AM   #6
Stija
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 492861
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Arizona
Vehicle:
18 WRX Stg 2 tuned
Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack View Post
What does the new law require? No, wait, let me guess. All exhaust must be made from materials derived from sea weed. That it?
Stija is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2019, 11:40 AM   #7
GlarryHoodDIT
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 460907
Join Date: Jan 2017
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: Colorado
Vehicle:
2016 WRX

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by subieaaron View Post
I want to get some opinions on the new exhaust law for the CHP in Cali. To me it sounds pretty harsh, with a fix it ticket and a fine, and possible state ref. Is a catted downpipe and a resonated cat back still safe? How can I/other people save themselves from fines?
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics...223367915.html

According to this it has to do with noise, but now you get an automatic fine with no more "fix-it" tickets where you could avoid the fine by fixing the problems. It seems like now you will have to fix the problems (likely State Ref.) and still have to pay the fine on top of it.

Try to keep it quiet. Cats + resonators + mufflers.
GlarryHoodDIT is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2019, 12:19 PM   #8
oichan
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 492327
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: A garage in the Midwest
Vehicle:
2019 WRX / 16 STI
2017 Golf-R, etc

Default

This is like tint and front plates in some states. It really depends on the cop following you.

I am in a state that is also 'illegal' to modify exhaust that is louder than stock. I've had many police cars tailing me with my muffler deletes and they did not care. They appear they are more interested in the smell of the exhaust checking whether I modified the catalyst or not.
oichan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2019, 12:53 PM   #9
subaru_gc8
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 29292
Join Date: Nov 2002
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Orange County CA
Vehicle:
2004 WRX wagon
silver

Default

it doesnt sound any different than what is already in place. BTW any modified catalyst is not legal for street use. if caught there can be up to a 1000 fine for a modifed smog system
subaru_gc8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2019, 01:26 PM   #10
SR 25 RS
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 97983
Join Date: Oct 2005
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: Oakland
Vehicle:
2017 STi
Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by subieaaron View Post
I want to get some opinions...Is a catted downpipe and a resonated cat back still safe?
Fact: If you can not pass smog, it is not safe.
Opinion: As mentioned above, you have to pay the cost to do business.

Here is some more information for you:
27150. (a) Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device.

source: http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...ctionNum=27150
SR 25 RS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2019, 06:47 PM   #11
subarumod
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 468745
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: SoCAL
Vehicle:
06 wrx
black as your girls soul.

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fuelMuncher View Post
What type of exhaust are you running?
killer b headers. invidia turbo back 3' exhaust I was bound to get hit eventually.. But it sucks when youre going under the speed limit, your exhaust is barely going and you get raped. Hood popped and all that nonsense.. But I get speeding tickets in the past and nothing about the exhaust.. Real weird.
Also sucks this was like the yellow bus of police officers/vehicle
subarumod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2019, 06:55 PM   #12
Gallo2011
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 268310
Join Date: Dec 2010
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: So Kali
Vehicle:
2011 SSM STI saloon
Church!

Default

There's already a petition to repeal AB 1824. 33,000+ people have signed it so far. We'll have to see if it makes it to the next ballot.
Gallo2011 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-05-2019, 07:00 PM   #13
SR 25 RS
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 97983
Join Date: Oct 2005
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: Oakland
Vehicle:
2017 STi
Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gallo2011 View Post
There's already a petition to repeal AB 1824. 33,000+ people have signed it so far. We'll have to see if it makes it to the next ballot.
LINK FOR THE INTERESTED.

That's pretty neat. Too bad the description creator didn't take the time to write a decent arguement...

"targeting California car owners" - no shizzle, it's a car law.
"punish law abiding citizens" - riiiiight....
"does not clearly describe what a modified, excessively loud exhaust or muffler system is." - This billed adjusted the results of breaking said laws, not define them.

If the petition gets big enough, it's making "us" look like a bunch of doofies. I doubt in the current form it will change anything.

<- still signed it tho, LOL!

Last edited by SR 25 RS; 01-05-2019 at 07:05 PM.
SR 25 RS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2019, 01:23 AM   #14
subieaaron
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 464672
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Vehicle:
2004 Impreza WRX STi
Bluuuue

Default

A lot of people are saying theyíve been running a turbo back or something for years, but weíre only 6 days into this year and the new law. Iíve heard a number of stories already of people getting their hoods popped in Los Angeles. $1k fine plus state ref.

Another question: a aftermarket cat-back will still pass smog, however it will raise the dB over the 95 dB limit. Whereís the line drawn on what is and what isnít illegal?
subieaaron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2019, 01:27 AM   #15
subieaaron
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 464672
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Vehicle:
2004 Impreza WRX STi
Bluuuue

Default

Also in AB 1824, it talks about exhausts being modified to create noise, how does the term ďmodifiedĒ get defined? Modifying the stock exhaust, as in gutting cats or mufflers? Or replacing the stock cat back with a aftermarket unit?
subieaaron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2019, 01:13 PM   #16
azhiaziamsubie
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 154142
Join Date: Jul 2007
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Orange County socal
Vehicle:
2006 Impreza STi
CGM, ISM

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by subieaaron View Post
Also in AB 1824, it talks about exhausts being modified to create noise, how does the term ďmodifiedĒ get defined? Modifying the stock exhaust, as in gutting cats or mufflers? Or replacing the stock cat back with a aftermarket unit?
i think it honestly includes all of the above. even a replacement muffler from the factory with an SPT muffler or something is technically modified. ANYTHING aftermarket, even from the dealership. any custom work, any deletes, id bet they would even ticket you if they were suspicious if you were missing some heat shields. they thing is they can just write your ass the ticket and MAKE you legally go to the ref and prove youre innocent. if youre innocent, no trouble to them.

the big big pointer is, if you purchase something that is already CARB approved, then you're good to go legally! OR you can go to the state ref BEFORE you get a state ref ticket and they will test your decibels for you and if it is within legal limits, they give you the paper that states its legal in california and you keep that paper in your car and present to the police during a traffic stop you have some proof its "legal."

the problem is state ref certifications or tests are only legally useable in court for a 90 day period so even if you carry that around the officer can look at the date and if its past that 90 days they can and likely will still write you the ticket plus fine, plus state ref inspection.

the problem with the state refs is once you get the order from the officer, they do the ENTIRE car specification check. i literally failed once for my DEFI boost gauge, despite my STi coming with a factory boost gauge.

went back and changed it, failed again because i didnt have "crimped wire connections" connecting my stock 3-port boost control solenoid together. boost control solenoid was stock, but apparently the wire splicing was not "to code"
azhiaziamsubie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2019, 01:21 PM   #17
azhiaziamsubie
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 154142
Join Date: Jul 2007
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Orange County socal
Vehicle:
2006 Impreza STi
CGM, ISM

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by subieaaron View Post
Also in AB 1824, it talks about exhausts being modified to create noise, how does the term ďmodifiedĒ get defined? Modifying the stock exhaust, as in gutting cats or mufflers? Or replacing the stock cat back with a aftermarket unit?


okay so i read the bill, it basically covers all the bases here but specifically states certain things as well.


"prevent any excessive or unusual noise and prohibits a muffler or exhaust system from being equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device. Existing law further prohibits the modification of an exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner that will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor of the vehicle so that the vehicle exceeds existing noise limits."

essentially, any modification that makes the car louder is a violation. and if you have your stock mufflers on, but have any sort of cut out or bypass installed that also a violation.

anything and everything relating to the noise emitted beyond legally established limits is a violation.
azhiaziamsubie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2019, 01:22 PM   #18
fuelMuncher
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 301554
Join Date: Nov 2011
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: California
Vehicle:
2002 WRX Wagon
PSM, 2007 OBP WRX Limited

Default

If I get one ticket for a catback Iím selling both of my Subarus , this is too much.
fuelMuncher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2019, 02:17 PM   #19
subieaaron
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 464672
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Vehicle:
2004 Impreza WRX STi
Bluuuue

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by azhiaziamsubie View Post
i think it honestly includes all of the above. even a replacement muffler from the factory with an SPT muffler or something is technically modified. ANYTHING aftermarket, even from the dealership. any custom work, any deletes, id bet they would even ticket you if they were suspicious if you were missing some heat shields. they thing is they can just write your ass the ticket and MAKE you legally go to the ref and prove youre innocent. if youre innocent, no trouble to them.



the big big pointer is, if you purchase something that is already CARB approved, then you're good to go legally! OR you can go to the state ref BEFORE you get a state ref ticket and they will test your decibels for you and if it is within legal limits, they give you the paper that states its legal in california and you keep that paper in your car and present to the police during a traffic stop you have some proof its "legal."



the problem is state ref certifications or tests are only legally useable in court for a 90 day period so even if you carry that around the officer can look at the date and if its past that 90 days they can and likely will still write you the ticket plus fine, plus state ref inspection.



the problem with the state refs is once you get the order from the officer, they do the ENTIRE car specification check. i literally failed once for my DEFI boost gauge, despite my STi coming with a factory boost gauge.



went back and changed it, failed again because i didnt have "crimped wire connections" connecting my stock 3-port boost control solenoid together. boost control solenoid was stock, but apparently the wire splicing was not "to code"


Thanks for laying it out. Looks like the only easy option is to go back to stock stage 1 for a while

Itís pretty absurd how they say that something is legal if itís under 95 dB but then claim itís a modification so itís illegal. Sad to see people abusing their cars, theyíve ruined it for everyone.
subieaaron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2019, 08:57 PM   #20
subarumod
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 468745
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: SoCAL
Vehicle:
06 wrx
black as your girls soul.

Default

Anyone who has got a state ref for exhaust and emissions in CA; can you explain something to me.
If you didnt go the state ref way and you chose to fight it or go to court? What did you do to get it dropped or reduced?
Im going to have to pay it, or spend god knows how long changing back to stock to pass the ref test..
Im better off paying it and just putting the stock exhaust back on .. what the hell Cali. They dont understand now they wont be able to hear the street races..
subarumod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2019, 11:11 PM   #21
JeffrWRX
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 48589
Join Date: Nov 2003
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: San Marcos, CA
Vehicle:
2016 WRX 6mt CWP
@thejeffruhl 387hp/350tq

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fuelMuncher View Post
If I get one ticket for a catback Iím selling both of my Subarus , this is too much.
Iím with you... although Iím hoping it just dies down after a few weeks and the cops go back to the usual stuff.
JeffrWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2019, 01:20 AM   #22
huyndreds
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 433253
Join Date: Oct 2015
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: 661| California
Vehicle:
2016 Subaru STi
Crystal White Pearl

Default

Iíve been running my Subaru w the nameless axleback w/ muffler deletes for a while now. Do you think these cross the line as well?
huyndreds is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2019, 07:25 AM   #23
horsePOOGAS
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 450712
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Indiana
Vehicle:
04 STi
WRB

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by huyndreds View Post
Iíve been running my Subaru w the nameless axleback w/ muffler deletes for a while now. Do you think these cross the line as well?
According to the law in CA, if you've installed after market exhaust and it makes your exhaust louder.

The answer is: YES.
horsePOOGAS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2019, 08:24 AM   #24
scoobynub650
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 494219
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: DalyCity
Vehicle:
2006 Impreza WRX TR
White

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by horsePOOGAS View Post
According to the law in CA, if you've installed after market exhaust and it makes your exhaust louder.

The answer is: YES.
So the only way is to go back to stock exhaust and maybe have a catted downpipe? Do you guys think an Invidia N1 racing and catted downpipe will be loud enough to get pulled over? If i dont go past 3k rpm

And also does the state ref check the whole car or just the exhaust system?
scoobynub650 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2019, 09:01 AM   #25
SirBrass
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 207263
Join Date: Mar 2009
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Northern PA
Vehicle:
2019 WRX Limited
World Rally Blue

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by subieaaron View Post
A lot of people are saying theyíve been running a turbo back or something for years, but weíre only 6 days into this year and the new law. Iíve heard a number of stories already of people getting their hoods popped in Los Angeles. $1k fine plus state ref.

Another question: a aftermarket cat-back will still pass smog, however it will raise the dB over the 95 dB limit. Whereís the line drawn on what is and what isnít illegal?
You're going to have to get the japanese HKS and similar CBEs, I bet. Japan has some pretty strict exhaust noise laws IIRC, so the CBEs from there are pretty quiet.

But they are massively expensive.

Gotta pay to play.
SirBrass is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2019 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2017, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.