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Old 10-10-2018, 11:53 AM   #126
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Hey everyone, 2.5 year update on my 3.6R Legacy w/ the CVT!

I am at 70,700 miles right now and just received a notice from Subaru that they're extending warranties on the CVT for all Impreza, Legacy, Outback, WRX, Crosstrek and Foresters.

It looks like it's an additional year (Sept 2019) regardless of mileage, and after Sept 2019 it's good for 10 years / 100,000 miles. It looks like this applies to the CVT only, not the rest of the driveline (60k mile, 5 year factory warranty)

Overall, pretty happy that they've extended it. I also haven't had any issues with mine, so I'm not sure why they're extending it, but I'll take it!
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Old 10-10-2018, 12:04 PM   #127
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Just got that letter for my 2016 FXT
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Old 10-10-2018, 12:37 PM   #128
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They're extending warranties because the Subaru cvt transmission is prone to premature failure. I feel sorry for anyone stuck with this type of transmission and I hope in the future manufacturers can come up with a bulletproof cvt.
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Old 10-10-2018, 01:09 PM   #129
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They're extending warranties because the Subaru cvt transmission is prone to premature failure. I feel sorry for anyone stuck with this type of transmission and I hope in the future manufacturers can come up with a bulletproof cvt.
Well here's to hoping mine fails before 100k miles!

If it fails after... lol well you'll see it in the build-thread section of this forum or legacygt.com
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Old 10-10-2018, 01:35 PM   #130
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learn how to drive manual, you wouldn't want to know how low the power to the wheels was with the cvt vs manual, its a huge difference in loss to the ground (WRX wise, did some testing)
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Old 10-10-2018, 03:28 PM   #131
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learn how to drive manual, you wouldn't want to know how low the power to the wheels was with the cvt vs manual, its a huge difference in loss to the ground (WRX wise, did some testing)
Well Subaru hasn't made a manual H6 ever and the FXT hasn't offered a manual in the US since 2007.

I feel like the power to the ground is not the big problem with cvts, it's the in ability to launch even remotely hard. Once it's going you don't loose any time between shifts so I doubt it's much slower from a roll. But also it explodes.
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Old 10-10-2018, 03:29 PM   #132
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learn how to drive manual, you wouldn't want to know how low the power to the wheels was with the cvt vs manual, its a huge difference in loss to the ground (WRX wise, did some testing)
I get your point, but that's not even an option with a Legacy with the 3.6 engine. I owned a 2004 STI for 4 years and daily drove it during that time. The lack of safety features on a manual being driven for work is not acceptable to me, even if it was offered. Doing without eyesight and adaptive cruise isn't something I'm going to put myself through.

I know some people have had CVT issues, particularly with the weaker CVTs in the non-turbo Impreza, Forester, 2.5i Legacy and Outback. I'm flat out not seeing it with the beefier CVT in the 3.6 Legacy and WRX. I don't baby it either, and I'm seeing incredible fuel economy for what is a heavy 6-cylinder AWD sedan.

I logged over 700 miles to Georgia from Michigan, and averaged 31mpg at speeds 70+. After about 100 city miles and a return trip from Atlanta (1,500 total miles) I was at 29mpg average.

If the power loss is as significant as you're trying to imply, the fuel economy hit would be significant as well, and it hasn't been.

One thing you're probably not taking into account is that they actually do limit the input torque to the CVT, and that can make starting from a complete stop slow, along with mashing the pedal when you're under 5,000 RPM (in the 3.6). After 5,000 RPM it clearly wakes up and has what I'd describe as a VTEC-like feel where it is either changing timing or fuel delivery. These are probably done to protect the CVT from extremely high torque situations that it's not built to handle. Regardless, this doesn't really affect the driveability of the car on the highway and when passing it's very bit as lively as the manual WRXs I've kept up with.
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Old 10-10-2018, 03:49 PM   #133
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The HTCVT in the fxt and WRX is having TONS of failures if you follow the owners clubs on Facebook.

If you go over 300whp it fails and if you don't it starts leaking and needs to be replaced regardless.

If a manual Forester XT was available I'd own it.
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Old 10-10-2018, 04:32 PM   #134
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The HTCVT in the fxt and WRX is having TONS of failures if you follow the owners clubs on Facebook.

If you go over 300whp it fails and if you don't it starts leaking and needs to be replaced regardless.

If a manual Forester XT was available I'd own it.
You know, people are usually quick to complain and slow to compliment. I'd be curious to know how many failures there are compared to how many that haven't had an issue. Most people don't call the power company until the power goes out or the satellite signal on the TV goes out, savvy?

I'd also like to know how many people that have had a failure of the HTCVT, have over powered it with tunes and power upgrades.

No doubt, they're not as reliable as manual, but the sky isn't falling either.

BTW, there's been a TON of torque converter failures on all of the CVT models. I'd bet that a lot of the CVT failures are TQ related and not the actual CVT itself. When my CVT fails, I'll try a TC first.
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Old 10-10-2018, 10:57 PM   #135
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You know, people are usually quick to complain and slow to compliment. I'd be curious to know how many failures there are compared to how many that haven't had an issue. Most people don't call the power company until the power goes out or the satellite signal on the TV goes out, savvy?

I'd also like to know how many people that have had a failure of the HTCVT, have over powered it with tunes and power upgrades.

No doubt, they're not as reliable as manual, but the sky isn't falling either.

BTW, there's been a TON of torque converter failures on all of the CVT models. I'd bet that a lot of the CVT failures are TQ related and not the actual CVT itself. When my CVT fails, I'll try a TC first.
I'm in the same boat, gotta believe this can't be that bad for people with stock vehicles. I drive it hard, as if it's a poor replacement for my 2004 STI (it is) and it's been holding up fine with stock power.
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Old 10-11-2018, 12:10 AM   #136
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Whatever you need to tell yourselves
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Old 10-11-2018, 01:25 AM   #137
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Whatever you need to tell yourselves
if something holds up for a few pulls in a years time, its deemed 100% reliable by most of nasioc.
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Old 10-11-2018, 08:59 AM   #138
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Whatever you need to tell yourselves
And you keep telling yourself that manuals never break, never leak oil, never have throw out bearing issues, never break pitch stop mounts and never need clutches.
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Old 10-11-2018, 09:02 AM   #139
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The HTCVT in the fxt and WRX is having TONS of failures if you follow the owners clubs on Facebook.

If you go over 300whp it fails and if you don't it starts leaking and needs to be replaced regardless.

If a manual Forester XT was available I'd own it.
Mine had a leak that was repaired. It didn't require the CVT to be replaced.

Haters gonna hate.
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Old 10-11-2018, 12:31 PM   #140
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My 2016 is running pretty strong after a few years, many pulls, city driving, mountain roads and family trips. Put in a few no-tune tidbits and it's pretty damn awesome at the moment.

With the 10yr warranty extension I absolutely see/have no need to go with a Stage 1 tune. I might add the Jpipe portion of the exhaust and custom tune it in a few years, if I end up feeling enough trust in Subaru or if I just want to use the car as some sort of toy project. But as it is, and with warranty, it's great.

Best way to deal with the top end power while keeping warranty is with good gas. Either mix a couple gals of E85 or use race octane booster. Plus the CVT has no rev hang and it's actually pretty fun in stock form, so I see no need to ditch warranty for a simple Stage1.

I've had a few non-CVT related things go wrong and taken care of under warranty. A/C compressor, battery, front top hats, plus maybe other minor stuff I dont remember... pretty sure the same reliability rating applies to the CVT itself and every other part of the car including engine, manual transmission, etc.

Bottom line to me is that Subaru is simply not a good reliable manufacturer and I will only own one while under warranty, regardless of which transmission it has.

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Old 10-11-2018, 01:18 PM   #141
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They're extending warranties because the Subaru cvt transmission is prone to premature failure. I feel sorry for anyone stuck with this type of transmission and I hope in the future manufacturers can come up with a bulletproof cvt.
Wrong informantion

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The HTCVT in the fxt and WRX is having TONS of failures if you follow the owners clubs on Facebook.

If you go over 300whp it fails and if you don't it starts leaking and needs to be replaced regardless.

If a manual Forester XT was available I'd own it.
Yeah, cause those sites represent the majority of owners.

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You know, people are usually quick to complain and slow to compliment. I'd be curious to know how many failures there are compared to how many that haven't had an issue. Most people don't call the power company until the power goes out or the satellite signal on the TV goes out, savvy?

I'd also like to know how many people that have had a failure of the HTCVT, have over powered it with tunes and power upgrades.

No doubt, they're not as reliable as manual, but the sky isn't falling either.

BTW, there's been a TON of torque converter failures on all of the CVT models. I'd bet that a lot of the CVT failures are TQ related and not the actual CVT itself. When my CVT fails, I'll try a TC first.

This...




Everything that I have been able to gather, they are not failing at a significantly different rate than the 4EAT. My techs tell me the same. Is SOA lying? Well, months ago, I would have absolutely said no with no doubt. However, after their issue at Gunma.........who knows. I go more by what I get from my techs. They break. So do the 4EATs. Only difference I really see is, depending on the issue, the CVT is typically replaced. I personally believe that's why they extended the warranty for it. If a 4EAT had an issue, it might have been able to be repaired by the dealership tech. They don't let the techs do certain things to CVTs and have to replace them. More cost. Subaru stepped up their warranty to help those and to give the rest a peace of mind.



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Old 10-11-2018, 01:20 PM   #142
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Mine had a leak that was repaired. It didn't require the CVT to be replaced.

Haters gonna hate.
how anecdotaltastic!

I told subaru to stop h8in when they extended my warranty to 100k....bunch of haterz
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Old 10-11-2018, 01:32 PM   #143
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how anecdotaltastic!

I told subaru to stop h8in when they extended my warranty to 100k....bunch of haterz
Yah, ok. I told Subaru "thank you, now I don't have to trade my Crosstrek for a Rav4 within the next 6 months". Our 53k mile CVT failed just a week or so before the extended warranty was announced. I did ask the dealer what it would cost if I had to do it out of pocket. 8 grand. With the nice 100k mile warranty, we've got another year to go before we'll feel we need to jettison the thing. We're at about 86k miles now.

The CVT in our 17 Legacy certainly performs much better than the one in the Crosstrek.
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I second the torque converter comment.

I had a 2015 WRX with a CVT and I was experiencing a ton of issues. The car would mainly behave very odd under moderate acceleration from a stop. The transmission would "slip" from 3k rpm to redline (with no power to the wheel) and then fall back down to 2k rpm and jolt the car.

Then I had several issue with it stalling when coming to a sudden stop. I attribute this to the torque converter. Regardless, I dumped that car and got a manual.
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Regardless, I dumped that car and got a manual.
Hater!
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how anecdotaltastic!

I told subaru to stop h8in when they extended my warranty to 100k....bunch of haterz
You said that if the CVT doesn't blow up that it'll eventually leak oil and need to be replaced anyway. I used my personal experience to dispute that. As anecdotal as that may be, it is true and there is a service bulletin from Subaru about it.

I'm glad I could provide you with some humor. For others that happen to run across this thread, I hope my personal experience might provide some insight.
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Don't seriously mod a CVT equipped WRX/FXT and you will be fine. Subaru is covering all owners with the warranty extension for piece of mind. Most issues have been programming related and also related to unrealistic expectation of putting 300HP/300TQ thru the CVT and thinking it will last then trying to make a warranty claim. Lame.

My FXT had 50K on it with no major issues and a couple a factory reflashes to update programming. Its an overall solid design and even better in the later variants 2017+.

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You said that if the CVT doesn't blow up that it'll eventually leak oil and need to be replaced anyway. I used my personal experience to dispute that. As anecdotal as that may be, it is true and there is a service bulletin from Subaru about it.

I'm glad I could provide you with some humor. For others that happen to run across this thread, I hope my personal experience might provide some insight.
I just don't understand why bringing up possibly reliability concerns makes someone a hater. I have 33k on my 2016 fxt, cvt has been fine so far, but that doesn't mean I'm not aware of the trouble others have had.
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With the exception of torque converter issues in 2010 - 2011 Outback CVT I see no more failures with any of the current 3 different CVTs Subaru uses than I saw with 4EAT or 5EAT. The majority of claims under the extension I perform are replacing valve bodies due to lock-up duty cycle solenoid failures. Ironically that same solenoid is the major fault I see in 4EAT.

To be perfectly honest I fix about 3 times as many 6 speed split case WRX transmissions because some flat bill has really bad hand/foot coordination and/or mistakes the shifter for his genitals and won't let go of it.
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With the exception of torque converter issues in 2010 - 2011 Outback CVT I see no more failures with any of the current 3 different CVTs Subaru uses than I saw with 4EAT or 5EAT. The majority of claims under the extension I perform are replacing valve bodies due to lock-up duty cycle solenoid failures. Ironically that same solenoid is the major fault I see in 4EAT.

To be perfectly honest I fix about 3 times as many 6 speed split case WRX transmissions because some flat bill has really bad hand/foot coordination and/or mistakes the shifter for his genitals and won't let go of it.
@Elbert Bass so it's possible to replace the valve body without replacing the whole unit? That's good to know. Lock up duty cycle. Are you referring to TC lockup? What were the customer's complaints? Stalling?
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