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Old 02-27-2019, 09:46 AM   #1
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Hi guys,

I have a deal going with a dealer who has offered me 30.5k for my Toyota Tacoma with 15k miles on a new STI for $35,500. I have always wanted an STI as well as a Tacoma, but I find myself not using the bed as much as I thought I would and off-roading adventures require a 2 hour drive at the very least.

I am considering trading the truck in for a brand new STI, or picking up a project Subaru to wrench on.

I would love to only have one vehicle that I truly adore, but after reading so many horror stories of the EJ, and SOA denying warranty claims, I am wondering if this is more of an emotional decision than a smart one.

Lastly, I do not hate my truck. It is very capable and useful but not great fun to drive like an STI would be.

So what do the subie experts think? Keep the truck and buy a project, or sell the truck and follow your dreams despite reliability concerns?
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Old 02-27-2019, 09:56 AM   #2
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Keep the sti stock. Then theres no problem with warranty.
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Old 02-27-2019, 10:03 AM   #3
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You are over weighing the STORIES. A well cared for STI is reliable.
Now which vehicle you should keep, LOL. After decades of falling in love with cars I have two (plus wifes) because one car never seems to do it all. A good problem to have.
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Old 02-27-2019, 10:17 AM   #4
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Get the STi, don't modify it, maybe even get the 7 year, 100k mile Subaru extended warranty and then don't worry.

Was your Tacoma one of the ones with a frame so rotted, it had to be replaced by Toyota under the forced recall?
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Old 02-27-2019, 10:28 AM   #5
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Get the STi, don't modify it, maybe even get the 7 year, 100k mile Subaru extended warranty and then don't worry.

Was your Tacoma one of the ones with a frame so rotted, it had to be replaced by Toyota under the forced recall?
I donít believe so, itís only a year old and had the frame underocated
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Old 02-27-2019, 10:29 AM   #6
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You are over weighing the STORIES. A well cared for STI is reliable.
Now which vehicle you should keep, LOL. After decades of falling in love with cars I have two (plus wifes) because one car never seems to do it all. A good problem to have.
Good point, the reason for the STI is it seems to check all the boxes, AWD, roomy trunk, fun to drive, fuel economy is lacking but I doubt itís a big difference from the truck.
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Old 02-27-2019, 10:30 AM   #7
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I agree with the others. Test drive the STI once, maybe twice, if you haven't already. If you enjoy driving it then go for it.

I was in a similar situation with our Jeep Wrangler JKU. We got it knowing that it would be great for our dogs, camping, offroading, etc. but I've always loved sports cars so I was unhappy with it as a daily driver. Luckily, my wife has a short commute and was willing to use it as her DD. It actually worked out perfectly because she enjoyed the extra visibility from sitting up higher and being able to run over curbs without ruining the wheels...

FWIW, I was looking at getting an STI and ultimately decided the WRX was a better deal for $8k less. Now I regret not getting the STI..

As others have said, keep the STI mostly stock to prevent any warranty hassles, maybe purchase one of the longer Subaru Added Security Gold Plus warranties (up to 120k miles) if you're concerned, and just enjoy driving the car!
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Old 02-27-2019, 10:31 AM   #8
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Keep the sti stock. Then theres no problem with warranty.
Understood, only real modifications I wanted to do was an intake and exhaust, maybe once itís out of warranty I would consider running a Stage 1/2 tune
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Old 02-27-2019, 10:33 AM   #9
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I agree with the others. Test drive the STI once, maybe twice, if you haven't already. If you enjoy driving it then go for it.

I was in a similar situation with our Jeep Wrangler JKU. We got it knowing that it would be great for our dogs, camping, offroading, etc. but I've always loved sports cars so I was unhappy with it as a daily driver. Luckily, my wife has a short commute and was willing to use it as her DD. It actually worked out perfectly because she enjoyed the extra visibility from sitting up higher and being able to run over curbs without ruining the wheels...

FWIW, I was looking at getting an STI and ultimately decided the WRX was a better deal for $8k less. Now I regret not getting the STI..

As others have said, keep the STI mostly stock to prevent any warranty hassles, maybe purchase one of the longer Subaru Added Security Gold Plus warranties (up to 120k miles) if you're concerned, and just enjoy driving the car!
Cool thanks man, glad to hear Iím not the only person who has been in this situation.

And Iím glad to hear it all worked out for you and your wife.
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Old 02-27-2019, 10:33 AM   #10
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Understood, only real modifications I wanted to do was an intake and exhaust, maybe once itís out of warranty I would consider running a Stage 1/2 tune
Keep the sti stock and you'll have no problem with warranty.
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Old 02-27-2019, 10:37 AM   #11
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Understood, only real modifications I wanted to do was an intake and exhaust, maybe once itís out of warranty I would consider running a Stage 1/2 tune
Intake requires tune. Catback exhaust does not. Your stock intake is more than capable.

Go for a short shifter setup & shifter bushings, and rear swaybar kit to neutralize steering.

That'll keep your powertrain warranty intact and tighten up the handling and shifting beautifully.

Go for it. If you don't abuse it, install and run hard parts that require tune without a tune, take care of maintenance when you should, etc., it's a very reliable vehicle.

Also, swap out those boat anchor 19" wheels for a set of lighter weight 18" wheels and some good grippy tires to really have some rip roaring fun.
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Old 02-27-2019, 10:41 AM   #12
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I donít believe so, itís only a year old and had the frame underocated
Undercoated? Do you mean something like fluid film or something that seals in moisture and rust?

Eric shows how well undercoating works:

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Old 02-27-2019, 11:01 AM   #13
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Undercoated? Do you mean something like fluid film or something that seals in moisture and rust?

Eric shows how well undercoating works:

Rubberized Undercoating Will Destroy Your Car! - YouTube
I used fluid film, I did it when I bought it. Iíve done it to all my vehicles, maybe Iíve been misinformed.
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Old 02-27-2019, 11:24 AM   #14
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I used fluid film, I did it when I bought it. Iíve done it to all my vehicles, maybe Iíve been misinformed.
Fluid Film is good. Keep using it .
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Old 02-27-2019, 11:27 AM   #15
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Fluid film is good.

The rubberized "undercoating" kills cars.
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Old 02-27-2019, 11:48 AM   #16
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Good point, the reason for the STI is it seems to check all the boxes, AWD, roomy trunk, fun to drive, fuel economy is lacking but I doubt itís a big difference from the truck.
regardless of what your Tacoma window sticker said because those numbers are useless, I would honestly guess the STI would get better mileage

what were getting real world driving in your tacoma?
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Old 02-27-2019, 12:38 PM   #17
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Trucks definitely serve a purpose, but if you're looking for fun factor, the STi is IT!

I am fortunate that my father is still alive and loves his truck, so whenever I need one, I can use his. Is there a family member that would take the truck/ have one to bum if needed?

Intake isn't needed and if you're not looking for LOUD, the SPT factory exhaust has a nice note. My neighbors seem to think it's loud (in the morning) but I've heard loud, and this ain't it.

Have you even tested the STi/ WRX?

Keeping my '18 stock until warranty end, but having an absolute blast driving it. I do cringe a little at the pump sometimes, but it is what it IS!

As I mentioned in another post, this car is like riding my R1 with the added benefit of 4 wheel safety, and I can take it out in any weather condition!

Good Luck!
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Old 02-27-2019, 12:45 PM   #18
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I would base it off of current life situation, kids/wife/garage space.. I would love a Tacoma.. great city/outdoor balance, fun and capable off-road, and excellent resale value. If I had one, I would simply buy a project car to slowly work at.

But without a Tacoma and a wife that isn't a fan of trucks (for our situation now), I'll be settling for a Forester to fill that gap, while having a legacy as a DD. Then commencing search for a project!
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Old 02-27-2019, 12:58 PM   #19
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Fluid film is good.

The rubberized "undercoating" kills cars.
Glad to hear the "canned spray on coating" I have done every few years is bad for my 1998 that has no rust.....

/sarcasm.......

I WILL say I always wait until snow is over and a few rains have washed roads.
I then do a good cleaning, let it dry a few days, then recoat fenderwells and other bits.
I have no rust underneath (last I checked) for 21 years and close to 200K miles.

Yes, just spraying stuff on regardless of type can create issues.
But that is like any spray on stuff......how it works is sorta based on the prep.

Whatever.....back to original question......mild mods to the car (suspension, maybe exhaust or some engine mods with correct tuning if required) you can have a good life with any Subaru.
Biggest things, do owners manual when required, check oil level every other gas fill....top as needed......, be happy.
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Glad to hear the "canned spray on coating" I have done every few years is bad for my 1998 that has no rust.....

/sarcasm.......

I WILL say I always wait until snow is over and a few rains have washed roads.
I then do a good cleaning, let it dry a few days, then recoat fenderwells and other bits.
I have no rust underneath (last I checked) for 21 years and close to 200K miles.

Yes, just spraying stuff on regardless of type can create issues.
But that is like any spray on stuff......how it works is sorta based on the prep.

Whatever.....back to original question......mild mods to the car (suspension, maybe exhaust or some engine mods with correct tuning if required) you can have a good life with any Subaru.
Biggest things, do owners manual when required, check oil level every other gas fill....top as needed......, be happy.
Which means you don't do what Zeibarts does.
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Old 02-27-2019, 01:27 PM   #21
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I don’t drive trucks, but in your situation I would keep the truck and get a new STI and turn it into a project car.

I would hate to see my STI get dinged up at the supermarket or something silly when it doesn’t have to.
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Old 03-02-2019, 04:56 PM   #22
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Trucks are a dime a dozen. Get the STI.
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Old 03-04-2019, 05:59 PM   #23
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If you can do the work, there's no issue. I sold my then-new 2014 XV Crosstrek the moment I found a clean, unmolested 2006 WRX wagon. The residual profit I had from the Crosstrek allowed me to repair/replace the worn bits, and even had extra to go Stage 2 at the time. 3 years later, I still have the wagon, I daily the hell out of it, and I love it. I've been on a Clark Turner tune with my 18g for the last two weeks and it's been amazing.
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Old 03-04-2019, 09:48 PM   #24
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Hi guys,

I have a deal going with a dealer who has offered me 30.5k for my Toyota Tacoma with 15k miles on a new STI for $35,500. I have always wanted an STI as well as a Tacoma, but I find myself not using the bed as much as I thought I would and off-roading adventures require a 2 hour drive at the very least.

I am considering trading the truck in for a brand new STI, or picking up a project Subaru to wrench on.

I would love to only have one vehicle that I truly adore, but after reading so many horror stories of the EJ, and SOA denying warranty claims, I am wondering if this is more of an emotional decision than a smart one.

Lastly, I do not hate my truck. It is very capable and useful but not great fun to drive like an STI would be.

So what do the subie experts think? Keep the truck and buy a project, or sell the truck and follow your dreams despite reliability concerns?
I'd keep the truck and get an older Gen subaru.
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Old 03-06-2019, 05:41 PM   #25
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Id hardly say the EJ is unreliable. Original owner of an 06 with almost 150k when I just sold it. Pro tuned Stage 2 modded since 10k. Drive train never out. Got Autocrossed and daily driven most of its life. Did all my own work on the car so that obviously helped ALOT. These arent cheap cars to own otherwise. Rebuilt turbo at sale because of oil seals leaking, rebuilt struts from clunking was the extent of outside maintenance stuff. Sure maintenance was kinda pain in the ass with the boxer. Spend money on oem or quality parts. Dont be cheap with these cars. Change oil regularly, I did every 2k. Keep an eye on oil levels. Drive it like its yours. If your the ass doing 5k rpm clutch drops or missing shifts at redline well yeah, youre gonna have issues.

But I will always need a truck. I think most do too. Im in a different place so had both. Id never buy a used Subaru unless I knew exactly who owned it.

But honestly the 06 was a different era for STIs and what else was available then at its price. Alot of bang for the buck. IMHO there is ALOT of great / better cars for the bloated pricing of STIs these days if you dont need AWD. But Im over AWD nowadays and the extra stress of a turbo 4cyl. I have way more fun in the current crop of big hp low stressed V8 and RWD cars available.

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