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Old 02-28-2019, 06:36 AM   #1
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Thumbs down 2019 AWD vs 2007 AWD

Is it me or do the 2019 WRX models have horrendous AWD capabilities?

I've had a 2007 WRX for the last 9 years. It has taken me through many snow storms of the northeast. Through snow deeper than 1ft untouched. Through roads covered in a sheet of ice. Highway travel where everyone else couldn't get any traction at all. Back roads where the roads were no longer visible. Even through the Blizzard of 2015 where New England had a snow total of 14ft.

This past January, old faithful was on its last leg, so I bit the bullet and purchased a 2019 WRX out of necessity. It's great and all, but the AWD compared to older models is an absolute JOKE! I don't get it. Am I just not driving it right? How could I have gotten through snow that ended the world with a less advanced car, but this new car technology can't even get traction in 1/2in of snow?!

Someone please tell me I'm not alone here. Maybe this car is just meant to be a summer car? Maybe the type of tires come into play? Definitely disappointed.................
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Old 02-28-2019, 06:43 AM   #2
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Did you swap tires? Those are summer tires on the car, no?

I will tell you from experience the 2007 is nearly a joke vs the VA’s capabilities so something is wrong on your end perhaps.

Congrats on your new ride.
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Old 02-28-2019, 07:21 AM   #3
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Your new WRX came with summer tires.
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Old 02-28-2019, 07:49 AM   #4
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And another one joins the ranks of the Summer Tire club.

AWD in the snow matters jack and squat if you're not running snow tires. Doesn't matter what fancy drivetrain software or differentials you have.

Put on snow tires.

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Old 02-28-2019, 08:42 AM   #5
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C'mon... You're from New England...!!
You should know this!!!
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Old 02-28-2019, 08:56 AM   #6
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I definitely know better than to drive with summer tires.
Don't see the need for snow tires at all though. Never had them before, don't need them now. A good set of all weathers usually do the trick.

I'll have to check if the dealer gave me summer tires. Pretty positive they told me they put all weather tires on before I left the dealership because the day I picked it up the weather forecast said snow . Shouldn't have taken their word for it.

Thanks for the info guys
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Old 02-28-2019, 09:03 AM   #7
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I'm going to guess unless you paid an additional $700 for tires, you have the factory Dunlops on there, which when I had to test drive my 2019 WRX in light snow were NOT FUN..
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Old 02-28-2019, 10:08 AM   #8
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I have a guy right now working on my furnace. He arrived in a 4x4 Dodge pickup with what looks like worn out all season kinda tires. He said he nearly took out a tree, sliding back down my driveway in an attempt to get up it.

Meanwhile, I had no problem going to pick him up at the bottom of the driveway (it's long with a big hill) in my 09 Ford Fusion with half worn Dunlop Graspic snows. The Fusion infamously reverts to heavy 1 wheel drive if a tire slips. There's no traction control.

So from a tire....number of drive wheels, tires win. It would be funny going down a snow covered highway and watching a WRX attempting to keep up with a stupid, 1 wheel drive Fusion.

Oh, it snowed all of 4 fluffy (sissy poofter) inches last night.
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Old 02-28-2019, 10:25 AM   #9
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If you have the Dunlop Sport Maxx then you definitely have summer tires. I believe all 2018's and 2019's came with these standard no matter what part of the country.
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Old 02-28-2019, 01:04 PM   #10
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Like was already mentioned, it's all down to the tires, but if you want to know how the actual awd works, no it hasn't changed from the 06 if you have a manual.

If you have a cvt wrx, the center diff is actually a little better as they have VTD which can actively vary lockup, and doesn't have to wait around for a wheel speed difference to cause friction in the viscous coupling to transfer torque.


One thing the 06 has that a new wrx doesn't is a rear lsd, instead they use traction control and vsc and torque vectoring. It probably doesn't perform any worse than the old viscous setup as an lsd.
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Old 02-28-2019, 01:08 PM   #11
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I have a guy right now working on my furnace. He arrived in a 4x4 Dodge pickup with what looks like worn out all season kinda tires. He said he nearly took out a tree, sliding back down my driveway in an attempt to get up it.

Meanwhile, I had no problem going to pick him up at the bottom of the driveway (it's long with a big hill) in my 09 Ford Fusion with half worn Dunlop Graspic snows. The Fusion infamously reverts to heavy 1 wheel drive if a tire slips. There's no traction control.

So from a tire....number of drive wheels, tires win. It would be funny going down a snow covered highway and watching a WRX attempting to keep up with a stupid, 1 wheel drive Fusion.

Oh, it snowed all of 4 fluffy (sissy poofter) inches last night.
It was slippery in Buffalo last night (took me a whole hour to get back when it normally takes only 30 minutes), and part of it was that folks were packed into one lane when the road had multiple lanes, but only one was currently plowed.

I often said "eff this!" and passed tons of suckers by going into the unplowed lane in my WRX with winter performance tires (next season I'm getting Nokian ice & snow tires intead. These pirrelis are almost done. I can feel them losing lots of snow grip) and just smoothly plowed ahead.
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Old 02-28-2019, 01:25 PM   #12
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Newbie here and i just got a WRX 2019 2 weeks ago...2nd day i got it snowed here in Cleveland, yeah it was eye opener on how snow/all year tires make such a huge difference. My 2011 legacy with snow tires is like driving in summer days...seriously is that good. Hopefully when i get my wrx snow tires is as good as my legacy.
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Old 02-28-2019, 01:50 PM   #13
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I definitely know better than to drive with summer tires.
Don't see the need for snow tires at all though. Never had them before, don't need them now. A good set of all weathers usually do the trick.

I'll have to check if the dealer gave me summer tires. Pretty positive they told me they put all weather tires on before I left the dealership because the day I picked it up the weather forecast said snow . Shouldn't have taken their word for it.

Thanks for the info guys
I can almost guarantee they didn't remove the summer tires for you. All WRXs/STis come with summer tires now. Your 07 came with all seasons. Just get a cheap set of rims and put winter tires on them. It may seem expensive and unnecessary but you won't need to replace your tires as often since you'll only be using them half the year.

All seasons are a joke. They do nothing well so do it right and save your summers for the warm weather and get winters for the cold weather. Hell you don't even need to get a second set of rims. A lot of tire places will swap them for you each season if you buy the tires through them.
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Old 02-28-2019, 02:00 PM   #14
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I drove through the entire winter on DWS06. They are all seasons and they did completely fine in my area which got hit by the polar vortex last month. Only if you live out in the rural areas do you truely need snow tires on these cars.
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Old 02-28-2019, 02:31 PM   #15
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Only if you live out in the rural areas do you truely need snow tires on these cars.
Incorrect. Even in Buffalo, for example, oftentimes with fast storms, surface streets are unplowed for hours during heavy traffic. Snow tires are very beneficial then. And it happens multiple times per winter.

So, tristate and NE definitely want snow tires even for urban living during the winter.
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Old 02-28-2019, 02:32 PM   #16
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I drove through the entire winter on DWS06. They are all seasons and they did completely fine in my area which got hit by the polar vortex last month. Only if you live out in the rural areas do you truely need snow tires on these cars.
I live in a urban area and I think winter tires are a great idea on these cars. I was skeptical at first but now I'm a believer. All seasons are truly just mediocre all year around hence the term "no seasons"
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Old 02-28-2019, 03:54 PM   #17
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As equipped from the factory:

2019 WRX base: 235/45 R17 94W Dunlop SP Sport Maxx RT summer performance tire

2019 WRX premium and limited (both 6-speed and CVT): 245/40 R18 97W Dunlop SP Sport Maxx RT summer performance tire

2019 WRX STI: 245/35R19 89W Yokohama Advan Sport V105 summer performance tire

In general, summer tires are not intended to be driven in near-freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice.

In addition, many summer-only tires cannot be stored at or below freezing temperatures, including leaving them mounted on the car while the car is effectively being stored, otherwise the rubber may start to crack/separate.
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Old 02-28-2019, 04:31 PM   #18
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OP calling dealership to confirm that they left stock tires on car before selling to OP instead of, at their own cost, installing all seasons or winter tires simply bc car was sold in february
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Old 03-01-2019, 06:19 AM   #19
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As equipped from the factory:

2019 WRX base: 235/45 R17 94W Dunlop SP Sport Maxx RT summer performance tire

2019 WRX premium and limited (both 6-speed and CVT): 245/40 R18 97W Dunlop SP Sport Maxx RT summer performance tire

2019 WRX STI: 245/35R19 89W Yokohama Advan Sport V105 summer performance tire

In general, summer tires are not intended to be driven in near-freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice.

In addition, many summer-only tires cannot be stored at or below freezing temperatures, including leaving them mounted on the car while the car is effectively being stored, otherwise the rubber may start to crack/separate.
Thanks for the breakdown and info Big-E. It's super helpful.
Its gotten down to the negatives in the past 2 months and my car has been stored outside the entire time. These tires have got to go.
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Old 03-01-2019, 06:37 AM   #20
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Everyone was right. They definitely left the stock summer tires on the car. Different tires will 100% make the difference. Can't believe I've made it through 2 snow storms from rural suburbs to Boston and back on these things.

I've got a set of Falken Azenis all-seasons on the '07 that have been absolutely wonderful in the snow. People may hate them, but they've been my go to tire for years. Tried other all-seasons and they just don't stack up.

I've lived in NE for the last 5 years and have only had all-seasons. They've never failed me once. Might be a good option for the '19 to have snow tires, but the '07 will be sticking with its all-seasons for good.

I've got the manual WRX base model, so its reassuring to know that they haven't changed much about the AWD performance of these cars.
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Old 03-01-2019, 10:14 AM   #21
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Ha! I was in the same boat you are when I bought my WRX. People would axe me "are you gonna put snow tires on?"
Nah.....I gots AWD, I don't need no steeeenking snow tires.
3 days later we get a storm and my 25 mile ride home was about the most stressful 25 miles of my life.
2 words for you my friend: Bridgestone Blizzak
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Old 03-01-2019, 10:23 AM   #22
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Everyone was right. They definitely left the stock summer tires on the car.
I can't believe you didn't look at the tires you had??????

damn, your lucky you didn't get in a wreck.
I took my snows off 1 week too early last year and got nailed with a freak late March snow storm with summers on.
I nearly pissed my pants driving on those things.
I'd change my wheels at 4:30am before work rather than do that again.
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Old 03-01-2019, 10:25 AM   #23
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Incorrect. Even in Buffalo, for example, oftentimes with fast storms, surface streets are unplowed for hours during heavy traffic. Snow tires are very beneficial then. And it happens multiple times per winter.

So, tristate and NE definitely want snow tires even for urban living during the winter.
Buffalo is rural. You are just lucky you got a tiny airport.
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Old 03-01-2019, 10:39 AM   #24
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Buffalo is rural. You are just lucky you got a tiny airport.
No, it's not. It's urban surrounded by rural. But it's definitely very urban all the same.

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I can't believe you didn't look at the tires you had??????

damn, your lucky you didn't get in a wreck.
I took my snows off 1 week too early last year and got nailed with a freak late March snow storm with summers on.
I nearly pissed my pants driving on those things.
I'd change my wheels at 4:30am before work rather than do that again.
I don't plan on taking my winters off for at least another month just to avoid getting hit by a freak snow.
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Old 03-01-2019, 10:43 AM   #25
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No reason not to get snow tires. If you can afford a 30k car, you can afford $600 for a set of snow tires.

Not having enough space is also not really a good excuse either unless you live in a 500 sq ft studio. It takes 2x2ft when they're stacked.
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