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Old 04-03-2015, 02:01 PM   #1
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Default Torque Vectoring - Yes or No?

I've been driving my 15 wrx around for a few months now, very happy with the purchase.

This pass week I came to the conclusion that I don't like the torque vectoring feature. Yes it helps the car turn and tightens the line, very impressive.

But I find that it comes on a bit too early. There seems to be a moment where the systems kicks in and the car tightens the driving line even thought I don't want it to.

I want to be in full control of my driving line. If I fall off the line, and the car sense that i will understeer I want the system to provide just enough input to maintain my line.

However I feel like the torque Vectoring is not doing that. It's preemptively coming on and causing me to readjust steering angle.

Anyone else feel the same way?
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Old 04-03-2015, 02:48 PM   #2
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Trade it in for a 14?
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Old 04-03-2015, 03:02 PM   #3
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Why not just disable it if you don't like it?
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Old 04-03-2015, 05:15 PM   #4
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Why not just disable it if you don't like it?
probably hasnt checked the owners manual yet to find out how to disable it.
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Old 04-03-2015, 05:39 PM   #5
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You can disable the torque vectoring without disabling traction control or ABS?

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Plus I'm not saying the feature is useless, I'm saying it feels like it is miss calibrated.

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Old 04-03-2015, 05:48 PM   #6
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You can disable the torque vectoring without disabling traction control or ABS?
Read your manual...

7-40

You can even download them for free in PDF from www.mysubaru.com
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Old 04-03-2015, 05:48 PM   #7
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its something to get used to, but ill agree it can feel weird accelerating out of tight turns hard - which is when it is working hardest - did you get your spring edition of DrivePerformance, its covered in there. I felt it works best when your not trying to go to the limit on corners, and the article on it says the same, but pushed it hard in TRAC mode and its only a prob if you drive against it.

- can anyone tell if the vectoring effect is lower in TRAC mode, its known the traction control is still on but activates much later than when in default mode

edit: ABS is active in all modes - rtm

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Old 04-03-2015, 05:56 PM   #8
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Since I'm a nice guy, from the manual:



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Old 04-03-2015, 06:07 PM   #9
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I have the digital manual. 3-25 is a better page.

It indicates the VDCS can only be turned off after Traction Control. I know you could turn it off. To be honest I'm not clear on the differences.

But really my complaint is that it could be better implemented feature.
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Old 04-03-2015, 06:14 PM   #10
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....I thought it was brake vectoring

oh..wait....it IS
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Old 04-03-2015, 06:32 PM   #11
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Scotty are you implying that it is inherent to brake vectoring? And that I should lower my expectations?
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Old 04-03-2015, 08:01 PM   #12
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im implying that you are operating under a false set of assumptions

Subaru wrx don't torque vector....no...sorry

sell/trade the wrx when the focus rs comes out and never look back
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Old 04-03-2015, 08:52 PM   #13
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Yea the Focus RS does look nice.

I'll just buy one and put it in the collection.
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Old 04-03-2015, 10:33 PM   #14
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I've been driving my 15 wrx around for a few months now, very happy with the purchase.

This pass week I came to the conclusion that I don't like the torque vectoring feature. Yes it helps the car turn and tightens the line, very impressive.

But I find that it comes on a bit too early. There seems to be a moment where the systems kicks in and the car tightens the driving line even thought I don't want it to.

I want to be in full control of my driving line. If I fall off the line, and the car sense that i will understeer I want the system to provide just enough input to maintain my line.

However I feel like the torque Vectoring is not doing that. It's preemptively coming on and causing me to readjust steering angle.

Anyone else feel the same way?
Are you doing this on the track? If the answer to that question is no, please stop driving like a dickbag on the streets. And if you are driving on the streets, it's doubtful you're going fast enough to actually notice these things. And if you are going fast enough for that, please see the first comment.

That said, read your manual on how to disable it and hit a tree.
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Old 04-03-2015, 10:55 PM   #15
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Are you doing this on the track? If the answer to that question is no, please stop driving like a dickbag on the streets. And if you are driving on the streets, it's doubtful you're going fast enough to actually notice these things. And if you are going fast enough for that, please see the first comment.

That said, read your manual on how to disable it and hit a tree.
Great assumption.

I know how to deactivate the system. I'm asking if anyone is observing the same thing.

Any driver worth his dime, would be able to tell when the system kicks in. People seem to assume the system kicks in to help them make take lines or make line corrections they shouldn't or can't. I sharing my observation that the system its kicking in preemptively on lines that the car can handle and that it appears to over correct.

I am literally asking one question and getting an answer to a different question. The only person who has provided any real response would be Uncle Scotty, by telling me I'm expecting too much because I'm expecting torque vectoring characteristics from a brake vectoring system.

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Oh and thanks for wishing that I crash into a tree.
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Old 04-03-2015, 11:31 PM   #16
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As Scotty mentioned it is brake vectoring. You kinda lost me on it being intrusive enough that you want to disable it but not wanting to disable traction control?
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Old 04-04-2015, 06:58 AM   #17
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Great assumption.

I know how to deactivate the system. I'm asking if anyone is observing the same thing.

Any driver worth his dime, would be able to tell when the system kicks in. People seem to assume the system kicks in to help them make take lines or make line corrections they shouldn't or can't. I sharing my observation that the system its kicking in preemptively on lines that the car can handle and that it appears to over correct.

I am literally asking one question and getting an answer to a different question. The only person who has provided any real response would be Uncle Scotty, by telling me I'm expecting too much because I'm expecting torque vectoring characteristics from a brake vectoring system.

/Edit
Oh and thanks for wishing that I crash into a tree.
As you said, it was an assumption. The vast majority of the dudemanbro's on this website have no idea how to drive or control their car.
It was a fair bet that you were one of these people. If you are taking it on the track, great!
If you are doing this on the streets, you really shouldn't be driving fast enough around corners to have TCS be doing it's thing. Take it to the track.

And I wasn't wishing that you crash into a tree. I was saying that, based on the average ACTUAL driving skill of most members here (as opposed to their internet Ayrton Senna skill level), if they turned off the TCS entirely, they would crash into a tree.

PS - you know that as a mod I see the reported posts, right?
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Old 04-04-2015, 07:21 AM   #18
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I report all the spammers
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Old 04-04-2015, 07:24 AM   #19
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Are you doing this on the track? If the answer to that question is no, please stop driving like a dickbag on the streets. And if you are driving on the streets, it's doubtful you're going fast enough to actually notice these things. And if you are going fast enough for that, please see the first comment.

That said, read your manual on how to disable it and hit a tree.
Damn, what a dick post. We'll assume you were drinking.
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Old 04-04-2015, 07:30 AM   #20
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Damn, what a dick post. We'll assume you were drinking.
Drinking? Me?? NEVER!!!

Ok, maybe just a little bit....

But wasn't much of a dick post I think. I assumed he was driving to the limit of the TCS/VDC on the street. That's not a good or safe idea and suggested he not do that, ere being called a dick bag.

And if he doesn't disable it, based on the vast majority of member's complete lack of driving skill he may hit a tree. I wasn't telling him to hit a tree. It was read the manual regarding the subject of "how to disable your TCS and hit a tree." Not read your manual on "how to disable your TCS" and then I wish you would hit a tree and
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Any way to permanently disable TC, or at least to the point where you don't have to disable it every time you start the car?

What was the first year the WRX actual got traction control? It honestly doesn't need it, at all. Front heavy, AWD, etc. It's a ridiculously hard car to spin, even if you're flicking it around trying to get it to rotate.

Not exactly the type of car where disabling it means hitting a tree.

And I don't really agree with you Loyale. The OP ha sbeen polite, rational sounding, etc. the whole time. IMHO, that was a dick post and a pretty big assumption to be making. For all we know, he lives out in the country and has some nice backroads. Or he's an autoxer. Or any number of other justifications for someone who buys a WRX to actually drive it.
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:23 AM   #22
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I can definitely feel the torque vectoring kick in on some corners, and not while driving like a brotard.

Any time I take a corner sharp, and with some power, it kicks in.

Don't find it intrusive though, and it definitely makes the turn sharper.

So ya, not everything is what everyone wants. The 2014's and older don't have it (so you can go back in time to avoid it, or trade into one). My guess is it will be around for a long time now (into future generations of the WRX).
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:33 AM   #23
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The problem with all electronic driving aides, unless they are somehow adjustable, is they are optimized to work best in the most common situation - that is with an average driver in average conditions at average speeds. That generally means keeping Joe-blow from crashing when he takes an on-ramp too quickly in the rain. And that means they are NOT optimized for having fun which is why most "performance" drivers find them intrusive.
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:55 AM   #24
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I'm sooooo glad my '06 doesn't have brake vectoring and traction control. If it was un-defeat able, I would think about not buying the car.

TC On AWD car is dumb. Having a non-defeat able stability control would ruin one of the best features of my car, doing donuts like a boss all winter. As long as you can turn it off its ok, otherwise..
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:57 AM   #25
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I'm sooooo glad my '06 doesn't have brake vectoring and traction control. If it was un-defeat able, I would think about not buying the car.

TC On AWD car is dumb. Having a non-defeat able stability control would ruin one of the best features of my car, doing donuts like a boss all winter. As long as you can turn it off its ok, otherwise..
Yeah screwing around in the winter is a little hard on the 2015 WRX because you're always fighting trac control, even when "disabled".

But it's a more mature car than the 06.
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