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09-26-2011, 03:50 PM | #3126 | |
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Also, no amount of traction will get you up a hill if you don't have spikes or chains in any case. Saying that though, I still do like the advantage of AWD in those small instances where it can make a difference... I have made it through many years of FWD and good tires in snow, but I guess I'm one of those "wanters" as well.
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09-26-2011, 04:05 PM | #3127 | |
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09-26-2011, 04:26 PM | #3128 | |
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09-26-2011, 04:35 PM | #3129 |
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Oh man, I've dealt with the loss of power-steering on occasion: No thanks!
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09-26-2011, 04:40 PM | #3130 |
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Good point, although you might say that advancements like power steering, a/c, power windows, etc are used frequently and have a small efficiency penalty whereas AWD is seldom used and has a more significant cost (both in vehicle price, weight, and fuel economy).
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09-26-2011, 05:03 PM | #3131 | |
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Now if Subaru had a graphic on the instrument panel showing where and when the power is being sent, this AWD discussion might never occur. But since we don't have that feature, we constantly end up with these debates. Bob |
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09-26-2011, 05:03 PM | #3132 |
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09-26-2011, 05:12 PM | #3133 |
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09-26-2011, 06:27 PM | #3134 | |
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09-26-2011, 06:57 PM | #3135 | |
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For example I bought Hankook I-pikes for my 17" wheels new from discount tire for 400 shipped to my door and they are going on their 3rd season and will more than likely last 3 more. While winter tires aren't a must have, they sure beat the snot out of most all season tires out there in the snow. Think about this way, you pay 500ish dollars to run winter tires for part of the year which will prolong the life of your stockers as well. It's money worth spent IMO. I will agree with you though, that living in any place with true seasons (I'm in the NW) AWD is a must have. |
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09-26-2011, 06:57 PM | #3136 | |
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09-26-2011, 07:20 PM | #3137 |
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09-26-2011, 07:20 PM | #3138 |
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In a place like where I'm at, quality all-seasons are a good bet year 'round, because it may snow only a couple times a year (or not at all) but it's slick through 3 seasons.
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09-26-2011, 07:49 PM | #3139 | |
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09-26-2011, 08:59 PM | #3140 |
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Subaru has made slow progress with their vehicles so far and seems that their new roadmap is continued slow progress and unnecessary hybrid vehicle IMHO.
If you can do without AWD, it will *significantly* increase your options, if you are in the marker for a new car. I am looking for AWD to avoid the requirement made by Caltrans to put on chains when crossing the Sierra with a 2WD vehicle. My wife's car has LRR summer tires on year-round, but except for the Sierra in winter, it does not limit our travel ability. |
09-27-2011, 09:07 AM | #3141 | |
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All season tires are an absolute total, utter sham, which is why I run dedicated snow tires on all my AWD vehicles. The amount of control you have over all season tires is simply staggering. Driving on all season tires in wintery conditions after driving on winter tires is terrifying. You cannot believe what a difference it makes having good winter tires in the winter. |
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09-27-2011, 09:53 AM | #3142 |
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Subaru XV on sale in Australia in January.
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09-27-2011, 11:21 AM | #3143 | |
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09-27-2011, 12:15 PM | #3144 | |
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09-27-2011, 12:21 PM | #3147 | |
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09-27-2011, 12:48 PM | #3148 | |
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The differences that I see are that the Ford should have a little more pep (more horsepower same weight) and the Subaru auto is a CVT which I'm leery about. I fully understand the benefits of AWD, but for me that is just a consideration not a requirement and that point is not what I was interested in discussing here. Sorry if I caused this to get off topic. What I really prefer to be cross shopping would be an Audi R8 to a Lambo Gallardo, price might be slightly uneven, but they both have AWD and do the same thing |
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09-27-2011, 12:48 PM | #3149 | |
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09-27-2011, 05:11 PM | #3150 |
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I ordered a Focus SEL for my wife, should be here in a couple weeks. So Ill be able to compare the two in depth. Focus sure does give a great first impression. I hope the impreza can match the tech integration of the Focus.
But most likely Ill be cross shopping the Impreza with the new skyactiv Mazda3 |
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