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Old 07-17-2004, 01:10 AM   #1
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Default Anyone replace their windshield lately?

well ive reached crack #3, all independent of one another, and im up to a staggering 11k miles and its gotten ridiculous, id like to be able to see again.

so heres my question, bear in mind its a dumb one as ive never had to replace a windshield:

supposing I take it to someplace that specializes in autoglass (basically anywhere but the dealer service ). would they glass they put on be the same flimsy stuff subaru put on there to begin with, or do they make/obtain their own glass that can be shaped to fit?

and does anyone have any recommendations as far as price and quality are concerned for the greater eastside, kirkland/redmond/bothell area?
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Old 07-17-2004, 01:50 AM   #2
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For curved laminated windshields, no one makes their own glass.

Your local glass place will try to put in non-Subaru glass probably; I had to fight my insurance company to get OEM glass.

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Old 07-19-2004, 11:01 AM   #3
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I'm on my 3rd windshiled now. The Subaru one had no problem cracking, the cheapo one had no problem cracking, and the expensive PPG one had no problem cracking.

I say get the cheapest stuff you can find, it all cracks the same.
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Old 07-19-2004, 11:10 AM   #4
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I'm on my 3rd windshiled now. The Subaru one had no problem cracking, the cheapo one had no problem cracking, and the expensive PPG one had no problem cracking.

I say get the cheapest stuff you can find, it all cracks the same.

i emphatically disagree.
the cheap stuff, as you call it, will pop right out of the car in a serious accident, leaving you MORE THAN vulnerable.

pay for a decent windshield, it's a safety device as well as 'a piece of glass'

i just replaced mine a few months ago, DECENT prices, good quality.

www.woodinvillewindshield.com

best thing these guys from my take was that they treated my car like their own - i mean they didnt just hack n slap on a new windsheild. they took their time and made sure it was done right with GOOD glass... no risks here.. and the job was done in about 15 mintues - done right and not a chip since

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Old 07-19-2004, 11:28 AM   #5
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I don't see how "Good" glass is less likey to pop out then the cheap stuff? It's the strength of the sealer that will keep it from popping out.
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Old 07-19-2004, 11:49 AM   #6
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Here's a thought for everyone to chew on.

What if I can get you a clear, non clear coated safety glass film to prevent sandblasting and rock chips on the windshield?? Would it be worth it to you to spend the money? ($50-100).

Might be possible in the near future Post up your thoughts.

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Old 07-19-2004, 11:54 AM   #7
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I don't see how "Good" glass is less likey to pop out then the cheap stuff? It's the strength of the sealer that will keep it from popping out.
NEGATIVE.
good glass = safety glass and will not dissapate in your face
it will shatter, yet hold together

(I.G. when my GT was totalled, hood came off, went into the windscreen, and the windscreen was the only thing keeping it from coming inside of the car....)

cheap glass = crumbles like a hardened taco shell

good point about the cheap sealant and the clowns installing such that dont know what their doing...

basically, as usual, you get what you pay for -
and yeah this type of accident is unlikely buuut???

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Old 07-19-2004, 05:12 PM   #8
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Here's a thought for everyone to chew on.

What if I can get you a clear, non clear coated safety glass film to prevent sandblasting and rock chips on the windshield?? Would it be worth it to you to spend the money? ($50-100).

Might be possible in the near future Post up your thoughts.

Chad
If it works, yes. If not, no. =)

I'd be worried about discoloring, hazing, scratching and peeling too of course. =)

I have a few chips I need to get fixed before it's too late, and I've already replaced one windshield.
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Old 07-19-2004, 05:34 PM   #9
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i emphatically disagree.
the cheap stuff, as you call it, will pop right out of the car in a serious accident, leaving you MORE THAN vulnerable.
I'm all for getting OEM replacement parts, but the above statement is not true. For a windshield manufacturer, whether OEM, Chinese, or Mexican to sell their products in the US, they all must still meet FMVSS codes, (which they must test to by an outside entity). In the end, it is all safety, laminated glass, as that is what is required by federal law. What differs is the individual glass laminate thickness, and lamination film thickness and manufacturer. Different pane thickness can lead to either a stronger or weaker windshield. It will not lead to the glass "popping out" in a serious accident.

By point of comparison, I was involved in a lengthy windshield test and redesign project with a NW heavy truck manufacturer. Crack/chip resistance was most related to altering the individual layer (a standard windshield has two layers, plus laminate film) thickness, even while maintaining the same overall windshield thickness. And in the end, the best supplier (for chip/crack resistance) also happened to be the least expensive!
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Old 07-19-2004, 05:36 PM   #10
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And in the end, the best supplier (for chip/crack resistance) also happened to be the least expensive!
curious... which supplier would that be?
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Old 07-19-2004, 05:52 PM   #11
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Here's a thought for everyone to chew on.
What if I can get you a clear, non clear coated safety glass film to prevent sandblasting and rock chips on the windshield?? Would it be worth it to you to spend the money? ($50-100).
Might be possible in the near future Post up your thoughts.
Chad
Yeah the first concern that comes to my mind is the film interfering w/ the clarity of the winshield, especially in direct sunlight.
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Old 07-19-2004, 06:05 PM   #12
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curious... which supplier would that be?
IIRC, it was Vidrio Plano, a subsidiary of Grupo Vitro. They are based in Mexico.

The main point to my post was that there are not any hard & fast rules about which windshield is best, or how any of them will react, so making broad claims about cheap ones "popping out" in an accident is dubious at best.
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Old 07-19-2004, 07:28 PM   #13
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Yeah the first concern that comes to my mind is the film interfering w/ the clarity of the winshield, especially in direct sunlight.
I hear you guys and girls. I just got a smaple to try out. I am going to e getting a new windshield and documented the install process and my thoughts as I test it over the next month. This has been in the works for quite some time. I wouldnt be interested in marketing the film unless it was cost effective for the end user, clear enough that you wouldnt notice it on the windshield and wouldnt peel, scratch or haze from wiper use.

Stay tuned on updates.
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Old 07-19-2004, 07:38 PM   #14
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Because I'm a total idiot, I'll tell this story.

Well you know how you get that fogging on the inside of your windows in the winter. Well, I had just about enough of that, so one day, I bought some anti-fog but I had to prep the windows first by cleaning them with glass cleaner. So as I'm cleaning, there are these little spots directly in front of the driver's view that just won't come off with windex and a lot of scrubbing.

So I get some 409 cleaner and a green and yellow sponge. I'm scrubbing the hell out of this spot, the 409 is foaming up thick and white. So I grab my paper towels and wipe away the cleaner when i realize I scratched the hell out of this huge spot right in my line of sight. It is so bad, the scratches are completely opaque. I try to fill in the scratches with wax, but apparently I scrubbed right through the protective layer. I called a few glass places to see if there was anything I could do aside from replacing the whole windshield. Of course there isn't.

So I do some comparison shopping, one outfit says, is this insurance or out of pocket? Does it matter? There was a price difference with that guy. Someone's scamming the system. There was a $300 difference between the highest and lowest estimates. After taxes I think I paid about $215 total. There was a lifetime warranty with the cheapest. Very clean install, no leaks and tinted the top for free. It is amazing what a new windshield can do for an older car that has seen its share of gravel trucks and hard winters.
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Old 07-19-2004, 07:40 PM   #15
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they all must still meet FMVSS codes, (which they must test to by an outside entity). In the end, it is all safety, laminated glass, as that is what is required by federal law.
Are you sure? I thought OEMs could "self certify" to FMVSS? ie "yes our product does meet it, trust us".
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Old 07-19-2004, 07:51 PM   #16
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SpeedyGlass off of I5 and hwy 99 (REI exit) replaced my WRX glass. Was a insurance claim so $100 out my pocket. Not OEM but is fine for me.
They did a fantastic job with fit and finish. Been a couple of years now since it was done. The non OEM glass is holding up very well, several good sized rocks have done nothing more than a mark on the glass and I had one rock chip repaired in Idaho free and it still looks fine and no cracks.
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Old 07-19-2004, 11:36 PM   #17
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and does anyone have any recommendations as far as price and quality are concerned for the greater eastside, kirkland/redmond/bothell area?
Call Cascade AutoGlass.

http://www.cascadeautoglass.com/
(800) 320-5358

They're who I used last time.

Mobile service - they come to you.

It's illegal for them to pay your deductible, but if your deductible is, say, $100, you give them a check for $100, and they'll hand you a check for $100. Straight exchange. IIRC, they'll pay you up to $250 (but not more than your deductible).

Make sure when you call them to ask if they'll refund your deductible - I'm not sure if they'll do it automatically, I think you have to ask.
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Old 07-20-2004, 04:36 AM   #18
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I'd be all over that protectant film Chad! I'm tired of going through windshields every 5 months.
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Old 07-20-2004, 08:15 PM   #19
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A buddy of mine, took his WRX in for a windshield replacement when he had it and he got to talking to the guy working on it. Anyway he asked him why it was that it seemed like his WRX windshield didn't last nearly as long as some of the previous cars that he had earlier. They glass worker told him that a lot of new cars actually have thinner windshields as yet another weight reduction method. Don't know if that is true or not.

I know that my BMW that I had for a year and a half got hit pretty bad a few times and only had small pocks in the glass.
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Old 07-22-2004, 06:24 AM   #20
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I had mine replaced by Harmon Auto Glass (when they still had a Totem Lake shop; they'll come to you though). Great job, PPG glass iirc. The installer was very careful and seemed very knowledgable.

My deductible is >> than the cost so I paid; $265 iirc...

Of course, w/in a week I watched a walnut size rock come up from behind a truck on 405, across into my lane...almost dead center in my nice new windshield. Lovely classic ding, but it hasn't cracked or spread.
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Old 07-22-2004, 06:58 AM   #21
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I had mine replaced by Harmon Auto Glass (when they still had a Totem Lake shop; they'll come to you though). Great job, PPG glass iirc. The installer was very careful and seemed very knowledgable.

My deductible is >> than the cost so I paid; $265 iirc...

Of course, w/in a week I watched a walnut size rock come up from behind a truck on 405, across into my lane...almost dead center in my nice new windshield. Lovely classic ding, but it hasn't cracked or spread.
Ya same deal with me. PPG glass, had it for a week, got a nice ding.
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Old 07-22-2004, 11:55 AM   #22
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i'm just not replacing mine. been cracked since january. i drive to cali a lot, and thats how it broke in the first place. when someone finds a cure, let me know.
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Old 07-23-2004, 06:35 AM   #23
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Btw, I wasn't complaining re the PPG glass; I was actually pleasantly surprised the boulder didn't come right on through!
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Old 07-23-2004, 08:22 PM   #24
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Mine cracked two weeks ago. The crack was originally 2 inches in length and got larger as the week progressed, ended up 18 inches long. Got it fixed today. I didn't see what hit the sucker. The bottom of the windshield has always been wavy-distorted to look through. I think it just cracked by itself. $250.00 deductable+$50.00 coupon found in the newspaper=$200.00 out-of-pocket to me.

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Old 07-24-2004, 03:43 PM   #25
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5,000 miles on my windshield, it's a gonner. i have about 2 feet of spider cracks in it... gonna have to call pemco..

is the STi glass thinner than "standard" glass? and does aftermarket replacement glass have the nice black border/dressing along the perimeter like the OE glass?
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