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Old 11-16-2017, 08:52 PM   #501
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More power, I say! MORE POWER! 550HP stock or I won't be satisfied!

The SGP STI will handle significantly better, so I'm not as worried about understeer.
Not to mention hybrid could mean decent rear torque vectoring to help with that bloated weight.

Itíll be waaaay into the future before we get some kind of light weight AND affordable electrification.
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Old 11-16-2017, 09:18 PM   #502
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Not to mention hybrid could mean decent rear torque vectoring to help with that bloated weight.

Itíll be waaaay into the future before we get some kind of light weight AND affordable electrification.
I dunno man... I remember thinking the year 2020 was super far away... Now look how close we is!

The STI, and Subarus in general, are fairly lightweight for their class, especially with AWD. Adding electronic do dads might not be too terrible. I do think affordable will be down the road for sure.
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Old 11-16-2017, 10:05 PM   #503
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What? Why? The STI isn't a muscle car or a pony car. It already terminally understeers at current weight. Throw more weight into it, do you think it will be better? At this price point and resources thrown at it, I say no. It's never going to be a GTR.
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More power, I say! MORE POWER! 550HP stock or I won't be satisfied!

The SGP STI will handle significantly better, so I'm not as worried about understeer.
This. Not thinking into the future. SGP will surely improve things. Not saying it will solve it; but, it surely will be better.
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Old 11-16-2017, 11:06 PM   #504
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I dunno man... I remember thinking the year 2020 was super far away... Now look how close we is!

The STI, and Subarus in general, are fairly lightweight for their class, especially with AWD. Adding electronic do dads might not be too terrible. I do think affordable will be down the road for sure.
yeah 2020 is upon us, but there really hasnít been much powertrain progress when you get down to the basics of powertrains in the majority of cars. When I was a kid 2020 meant flying cars and teleportation, but here we are still driving internal combustion lol.

It is true, itís relatively light weight for what it is, but battery tech hasnít made too much progress on weight savings... not sure when it will, tbh so it will gain weight. Seems like weíll need to rely on CF and composites to reduce weight, but that also contradicts the ďaffordableĒ part into the near future.
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Old 11-17-2017, 08:50 AM   #505
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yeah 2020 is upon us, but there really hasnít been much powertrain progress when you get down to the basics of powertrains in the majority of cars.
I totally disagree. Look at V6s pumping out 300hp+. Look at 9 and 10 speed auto trannies. Subaru has not made strides but, for the most part I think power-trains in general are improving by leaps and bounds in the majority of cars. You see that in mpg and 0-60/30-60 metrics.

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Old 11-17-2017, 09:08 AM   #506
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I totally disagree. Look at V6s pumping out 300hp+. Look at 9 and 10 speed auto trannies. Subaru has not made strides but, for the most part I think power-trains in general are improving by leaps and bounds in the majority of cars. You see that in mpg and 0-60/30-60 metrics.

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I'm talking about progress in how we get vehicles moving. I do know its progressed in power/reliability/efficiency in leaps and bounds, but the internal combustion engine is still doing the same thing since the first one in the late 1800's -- make fuel go kaboom and move a piston. The ICE replaced steam/horse... what's replaced the ICE since then? Nothing until now with electrification... or starting to at least. And its still needs to overcome barriers especially in the affordable performance segment.
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Old 11-22-2017, 10:21 PM   #507
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return of the wide body?

Id be ok with it. Current lineup is too flat. Needs more hips
Exactly what Iíve been thinking. The sides are too dull and need styling. Iím likIng this concept tease! EVO eyes have been around for 4 years now, letís move on.
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Old 11-24-2017, 01:19 AM   #508
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I want DCT. Its my one and only request. I'm tired of CVT and ****ty autos. I don't want manual because I do a lot of city driving and I have a bad ankle. Just FN make a decent transmission that can take a beating and can handle extra power. It's gonna be freaking 2020 and they're still stuck on ****ty tranny's.
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Old 11-24-2017, 07:21 AM   #509
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I want DCT. Its my one and only request. I'm tired of CVT and ****ty autos. I don't want manual because I do a lot of city driving and I have a bad ankle. Just FN make a decent transmission that can take a beating and can handle extra power. It's gonna be freaking 2020 and they're still stuck on ****ty tranny's.

I assume yours is CVT? What is it exactly that you don't like?
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Old 11-24-2017, 09:22 AM   #510
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I assume yours is CVT? What is it exactly that you don't like?
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Just FN make a decent transmission that can take a beating and can handle extra power.
The CVT cars are almost stuck at stock power levels because it's assumed that the CVT, even in its "high torque" form, cannot handle torque beyond factory power levels. They begin to slip under load. A friend of mine was "stage 2" and had transmission problems and of course tried to blame Subaru but that's a story for another time.

For example, a downpipe and protune are too much unless the tuner holds back a little on the power but where's the fun in that.

But that said there are definitely CVT cars out there running "stage 2" and it certainly didn't stop vendors from making j-pipes specifically for CVT cars. And there's a company out there that I cannot recall the name of that makes a beefier torque converter for the CVT, though I'm not sure that is the issue. Or at least not the only one.

Personally I plan on keeping mine stock. I also have a CVT. I'd like to get an AP and flash the "stage 1 93" map but even that scares me a little bit.
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Old 11-24-2017, 10:02 AM   #511
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Just FN make a decent transmission that can take a beating and can handle extra power. It's gonna be freaking 2020 and they're still stuck on ****ty tranny's.
Incorrect. The transmission is pretty much bulletproof until you go beyond what it was designed for. That's far from ***ty, it's damn good. That you want to push even more power that it can't handle is NOT Subarus problem, but instead your own.

It's no secret either.

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Old 11-24-2017, 08:13 PM   #512
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Correct. I don't hate it. It's fine for the stock power it has. I actually enjoy it but like he said I want to add more power. I hate that I can't do that easily in a cvt without fn up the tranny.

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Incorrect. The transmission is pretty much bulletproof until you go beyond what it was designed for. That's far from ***ty, it's damn good. That you want to push even more power that it can't handle is NOT Subarus problem, but instead your own.

It's no secret either.

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I don't think it's bullet proof, when they've had to cover their asses after that class action lawsuit. You think the ones in the WRX wouldnt have had that issue? Mine actually did before they released the fix for the ECU. Mine almost stalled mid drive. That was a fun time.


Yes I want to add more power, not denying that but the fact that they can't make a transmission to handle more is definitely their problem. Especially for the price they charge for the car. Also if the next sti might be hybrid I highly doubt they'll put a manual tranny in it.
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Old 11-24-2017, 08:49 PM   #513
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Correct. I don't hate it. It's fine for the stock power it has. I actually enjoy it but like he said I want to add more power. I hate that I can't do that easily in a cvt without fn up the tranny.



I don't think it's bullet proof, when they've had to cover their asses after that class action lawsuit. You think the ones in the WRX wouldnt have had that issue? Mine actually did before they released the fix for the ECU. Mine almost stalled mid drive. That was a fun time.


Yes I want to add more power, not denying that but the fact that they can't make a transmission to handle more is definitely their problem. Especially for the price they charge for the car. Also if the next sti might be hybrid I highly doubt they'll put a manual tranny in it.
I recall an article in which they confirmed the next wrx and STI will have a manual tranny.
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Old 11-24-2017, 10:25 PM   #514
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No DCT on the STI? That's a bummer.
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Old 11-25-2017, 02:56 PM   #515
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Call me a traditionalist but I hope the STi always sticks with a manual.
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Old 11-25-2017, 03:35 PM   #516
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It will always have a manual. That's its appeal for a lot of people. It's a very good manual.
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Old 11-29-2017, 02:19 PM   #517
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Fingers crossed more photos leak of a hatch!
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Old 12-04-2017, 01:25 AM   #518
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I wonder why there isn't more talk in this thread of the FA24DIT being the next STi engine?...
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Old 12-04-2017, 02:59 AM   #519
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We have talked about it. They only show that it makes 260 hp on 87 octane, so now we're speculating on how much more power it'd make with 93 octane. The best way to gauge it might be if someone knows the numbers for a 2015 WRX using 87 octane versus 93 octane and the percentage of power loss. The results would be murky at best, but at least we'd have more to dissect.
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We have talked about it. They only show that it makes 260 hp on 87 octane, so now we're speculating on how much more power it'd make with 93 octane. The best way to gauge it might be if someone knows the numbers for a 2015 WRX using 87 octane versus 93 octane and the percentage of power loss. The results would be murky at best, but at least we'd have more to dissect.
Trying to remember, but I think it was 10 hp per grade for the 2014 Forester XT.
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Old 12-04-2017, 12:43 PM   #521
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That must be why everyone is hoping for at least 320 hp then. With how the WRX utilizes the power it has, even 320 hp for the STI would be quite nice.
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