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08-31-2015, 02:10 PM | #51 |
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This is a good showing that some aftermarket Parts aren't better than OEM.
The Motor mounts squish a certain amount so does the OEM pitch stop if you stiffen one and not the other that's a recipient for disaster. None of us know how much load was imposed onto the pitch mount bracket with the aftermarket part so blaming Subaru for ****ty design is just stupid. At this point it could be Subaru manufacturing defect or the aftermarket part. That joint also looks Glued rather than welded (looking at the black WRX pitch mount failure).
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08-31-2015, 02:39 PM | #52 | |
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Wait, so by your reasoning it's an aftermarket part problem yet there is another example of a stock vehicle with the exact same defect. How does that logic pan out? If you can't tell from my pictures the welds are broken and the metal is broken just like the stock black vehicle. As I stated earlier I am sure the aftermarket part contributed to it happening sooner than later. Based on what I've seen however it was going to happen. I'm just not sure what other evidence could be shown to display that there is an issue in design or material. It has happened on a stock vehicle and a modified vehicle. That's the evidence. I have no problem paying to have it fixed if need be. As the old adage goes "you've got to pay to play". I'm not sure if a few of the individuals here are trying to defend it because they think that will stop it from Happening to them. It could be the perfect storm on my car and the stock car and the other car that was being looked at. Also, my car has NEVER been launched. No reason to. I will say though, my driving is %100 city. A lot of stop and go. |
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08-31-2015, 03:03 PM | #53 | |
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The stock one from a few posts before broke in a completely different manner and cannot be compared to yours, the welds/attachment to the firewall are fine only the tab where the bolt connects are cracked. The stock pitch mount failure can pretty much either a manufacture defect or that they had swapped the OEM one back after noticing it was broken, this is what the dealer or Subaru rep will do. That is why they check for bolt marks and other silly things its because that is what they are instructed to do. Though I do remember seeing this happening to a few GRs as well even on the stock pitch mount albeit very rare. Point blank is you have an aftermarket part which is is super easy to blame because it does impose a higher load onto the bracket, and that's all the proof they need to deny your warranty repair. |
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08-31-2015, 03:21 PM | #54 |
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Here are some better photos... Where you can actually see the metal ripped apart. After further inspection it is barely hanging on from the top.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1W...ew?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1W...ew?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1W...ew?usp=sharing |
08-31-2015, 03:29 PM | #55 | |
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08-31-2015, 03:43 PM | #56 |
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I swear my car has been pitching more lately, intercooler is coming off tonight to take a look
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08-31-2015, 03:49 PM | #57 | |
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Those pics look pretty nasty lol |
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08-31-2015, 03:53 PM | #58 |
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Lol, it's definitely broken! It's just swinging around like a champ. As to the other gentleman, you can def tell driving the car that there is something a miss. Have to rev match when changing every gear or it feels as though the car "dies".
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08-31-2015, 03:56 PM | #59 |
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Didn't read the whole thread, but if the pitch stop was upgraded, but the other mounts were left stock, that was likely to be the cause.
If you don't upgrade ALL the mounts, the motor is going to still have a ton of movement, and that pitch stop is going to take a massive beating. Don't mix and match durometers on drivetrain mounts, that's a big no-no on any car, let alone a car like a Subaru with its ridiculously sloppy mounts that were designed by an idiot. |
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08-31-2015, 04:09 PM | #61 | |
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08-31-2015, 04:14 PM | #64 | |
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Doh, you should read a couple of posts behind yours... I hate it when that happens. |
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08-31-2015, 05:22 PM | #65 |
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Damn..this is concerning. I guess Subaru will need to take note.
Can't say I've had a problem on my 02' bugeye's pitchmount mount. It is solid as can be and has seen plenty of abuse. I have the factory pitchmount on my 2015 and I'll keep an eye on this issue. BTW: ENasuta30's pitchmount completely sheared the factory sheet metal, this is kinda scary. Makes you wonder what kind of garbage-trash steel they were using in the construction of the rest of the car. |
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To fix it properly, the whole mount needs to come out and a new one that is significantly stronger would then be added. The real b***h of it is that the firewall will have destroyed paint and the value of the car will be effected.
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The solid part's downside is the nvh and potential fatigue of metal through increased vibration (not that likely when at least some damper is used). The part failed because it is too weak. Period Quote:
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08-31-2015, 07:54 PM | #67 | |
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08-31-2015, 08:03 PM | #68 |
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So true, it honestly looks like it should be a non load bearing mount. I'm very curious how they intend on fixing it. You can't just tac weld another piece in there, the whole area has been compromised now. Worries me that to really get in there and fix it properly is going to take some serious modification. Guess I'll find out more in the morning. I will def have after pics also.
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08-31-2015, 08:45 PM | #70 | |
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Out of the Wood/Metal/Wood Block , Which block do you think takes most of the load now?(ans Metal) Same thing in this situation. Before the engine moves 0.6" (Crushing 3 blocks of wood) but then you install this pitch mount and now only .3" (2 blocks of wood 1 block of metal) what do you think is going to take more load now? (Answer Pitch mount), since the pitch mount is plenty strong so it translates to the weakest link, the firewall/welded joint. |
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08-31-2015, 09:39 PM | #71 |
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now even i'm thinking about removing my group-n pitch stop.. tho i shouldn't.. i figure if its gonna break it will break with either mount.
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08-31-2015, 09:47 PM | #72 |
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Exactly! I will stay on top of them and see what they are going to do to remedy the problem. It probably doesn't hurt that I manage the dealership next to theirs either.
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08-31-2015, 10:04 PM | #73 |
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I had already read that guys thread a couple weeks ago when i was researching the possible purchase of a 2016. I went back and found some older posts of his referencing the install of a pitch mount. Apparently he must of went back to stock and then reported it to Subaru.
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08-31-2015, 10:26 PM | #74 |
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I wonder if the solid mounts are just too much for the car. Seems some units are waay to stiff. I can't imagine Subaru changed the mounting parts on the car compared to the previous gen. Maybe someone can chime in on failures in older cars. I'd like to here one of the vendors opinion on the issue. The images above show a lot of lateral movement.
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08-31-2015, 10:33 PM | #75 |
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since the "group n" is sort of an OEM STI part, i can't imagine it would break quicker than stock. my perrin i can understand, that thing was a lot stiffer.
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