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Old 07-17-2017, 10:28 AM   #1
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Default Bargain time for Ford Focus RS ?

I'll pass but inventory's bulging https://oppositelock.kinja.com/the-f...ler-1796923879

The Focus RS has been sitting on dealer lots and dealers can only blame themselves

Not only did they mark them up to insane levels, but they treated the car like it was a Bugatti Chiron. Have or had any of you ever tried to test drive one of these? The dealers treated you like **** for even wanting to test drive one. No one is good enough. Some dealers wouldn’t even let you touch the car. If you were under 40 or even looked like you were a boy racer type it was a no before you could even ask. Some dealers I heard wanted deposits and commitments to buy before test drives.

So who’s to blame for these cars sitting? Dealers themselves. A quick search within 100 miles of me shows there are 55 Ford dealers. Of those 55 I would say over half have more than 2 RS’ on their lots. Some have more than 5: Caruso Ford in Long Beach has 8, San Bernardino Ford has 7, Galpin (of course) has 12, Ken Grody has 15.
Wanna know what they all share in common? They all has RS’ collecting dust on dealer lots. They all have 150-210 days on the lot. What are dealers going to do? Some are stubborn and still asking 10-20k over sticker. Some will budge, but not by much. And you whats sad? All the excitement and luster has worn off for the car, all the better for us interested in one used down the line. So remember, next time you guys are quick to blame enthusiasts for not buying that next performance model that got canceled, keep in mind that many of us tried, but were turned off by ****ty greedy dealers treating the cars as if they were 24k gold plated.
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Old 07-17-2017, 11:27 AM   #2
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Old 07-17-2017, 11:32 AM   #3
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So remember, next time you guys are quick to blame enthusiasts for not buying that next performance model that got canceled, keep in mind that many of us tried, but were turned off by ****ty greedy dealers treating the cars as if they were 24k gold plated.
That's the first thing I thought. Back in the early 2000s, Ford didn't bring the hot Focus here because they didn't think anyone would buy it / pay for it.

When they do finally release it here, the dealers mark it up even higher. I assume (hope?) that Ford knows why they are sitting on the lots.
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Old 07-17-2017, 11:41 AM   #5
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^^exactly, and the market is about to react. They will be hoping for MSRP in another month.
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Old 07-17-2017, 11:54 AM   #6
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Paid off for me. Deals come to the patient. 3k off msrp.

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Old 07-17-2017, 12:03 PM   #7
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The dealers local to me waited so long to remove the ADM I bought a different car and they lost a sale (and many more since I change cars every few years and won't be dealing with them again).
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Tons of GT350's sitting around, too. One dealer has 10. Another is still marking theirs up to 120k+

I hope they end up at a clearance auction.
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Local Subaru dealership did this to me when I went to buy an STi.

it was a 2014, and was brand new with 5 miles on it. I said I was looking at STi's and had never driven one. wanted to see if i liked it before I'd talk financing.

The guy looked at me and said "Do you know how much these cars are? You are looking at a 650 a month car payment if you put nothing down"

really offended me considering I'm not 21, I was 28 and I could afford such a ridiculous monthly payment anyway.

Anyway, he would not let me even sit in it without first running my credit. so I left and bought my STi from a Chevy dealership.
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Local dealer is still hoping some dumb ass will pay their ADM. 7 in stock.
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:25 PM   #11
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The dealers local to me waited so long to remove the ADM I bought a different car and they lost a sale (and many more since I change cars every few years and won't be dealing with them again).
I suspect this is part of the problem for sure. With the ADM it pushed this car into a different market and potential buyers moved on. It's a good car at $35-42K. Not worth any more than that.

Also it seemed like Ford dealers thought this car would be much more limited in production because there are about 160 brand new ones for sale within a 100 mile radius for me. Most people that really wanted one have one.
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Old 07-17-2017, 02:29 PM   #12
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The auto loan industry is collapsing right now, too many banks gave Dumbass working at Mcdonalds a 72 month loan with zero down and now that Dumbass can't make his $500 monthly payments, the banks are repeating 2008 all over again.

Not sure what the dealers are thinking at this point, I doubt banks are willing to give out loans over a vehicle's value.

And It doesn't help all the dealers around here loaded up all the options they could pushing the MSRP to 42k before adding their ADM.

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Local-ish dealer in MA has two on the lot, both listed on sale at $40k.
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Just for a comparison I searched within a 100 mile radius for new Golf R's and WRX STI's and there are 16 Golf R's for sale and 88 WRX STI's. Granted some of these are inbound and some may be accounted for but compared to 160 Focus RS's that a big difference.

I see some big discounts coming and the guys who paid ADM or even MSRP are gonna be way in the hole.
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The auto loan industry is collapsing right now, too many banks gave Dumbass working at Mcdonalds a 72 month loan with zero down and now that Dumbass can't make his $500 monthly payments, the banks are repeating 2008 all over again.

Not sure what the dealers are thinking at this point, I doubt banks are willing to give out loans over a vehicle's value.

And It doesn't help all the dealers around here loaded up all the options they could pushing the MSRP to 42k before adding their ADM.
All the dumbasses I know doing this are still making their payments.

Its not the same as all the flexible rate mortages that suddenly doubled. These car loans are fixed and not for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

The problem is these loans are so long people arent buying new cars as often. Plus cars are lasting much longer these days.
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The bubble may pop, but it will not be as much of an explosion. Even if they defaulted, the cars can still be auctioned off or sold for a loss of a few thousand bucks at worst. We are not talking about being upside down by over a 100 grand a house. It will deflate more than pop.
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32 Focus RS, 3 Golf R and 5 Civic Type R within a 50-mile radius. Looks like Ford is turning the crank on RS production but some dealers haven't read the memo yet...
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Tons of GT350's sitting around, too. One dealer has 10. Another is still marking theirs up to 120k+

I hope they end up at a clearance auction.
The dealers around here are still marking them up. The salesman at the second dealer I talked to was cool, but the sales manager was kind of a jerk. He actually gave me a hard time about not wanting the crappy 3K electronics package and my unwillingness to pay the markup. Whatever. My NSX sold much quicker than anticipated, so I'll just sit on the cash & wait for some of the air to come out of this bubble.
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I can hear the guys at Ford arguing over incentive discounts to get these off the lot.
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I can hear the guys at Ford arguing over incentive discounts to get these off the lot.
They've been extremely stubborn, and definitely not customer orientated. A GT350, for example, is a working man's car, blue or white collar, makes no difference. It's a Mustang for f sakes. Seedy businessmen trying to f people. There is some man or woman out there right now who has saved, and worked, for all of their life, to afford a $55k stickered car. But the stealer is trying to steal 10k more and they know that's blood money, and it turns the car into judicious affordability to extremely bad idea.

The RS is no different. Once they put an adm on it, the price becomes more than many want to pay or deal with for that matter. I'm glad to see the chickens come home to roost. It's a bad business practice. It creates a pendulum. ADM's and gouging hurt the dealer in the long run, hurt Ford, hurt potential buyers, and hurt customers. Front loading price, well the bubble will pop and hurt resale. In each case, selling at sticker, no adm, really would give FoMoCo a bunch of credit, street credibility, and in this industry, and segment, big. It would help their brand, as well as helping the dealers make long term repeat customers. "Oh you've bought a FP vehicle before? You get preference at order time for the new deal, and you pay sticker only." Hell you get better perks currently on Amazon than what many mfr's give you. And Amazon MRC $100, your car, $400-500
It would also stabilize resale value significantly, build loyalty, and guess what? Sell more vehicles. Idiot dealer network, can't see the f'in forest for the trees. One way hurts all the way around, the other way helps all the way around. Greed is greed. The customers who pay adm just hurt everyone else too, as that prolongs it. They actually hurt themselves also, because that adm they paid has vanished in thin air. And it actually contributes to a bubble burst on the vehicle resale. Every RS on US soil could be sold already had they behaved differently. Instead they've piled up to a 1000+ cars nationwide just sitting there rotting instead of doing what they were built to do. Them sitting on lots does nobody, anywhere, any good. This sheot is on them though. Egg on their faces.
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32 Focus RS, 3 Golf R and 5 Civic Type R within a 50-mile radius. Looks like Ford is turning the crank on RS production but some dealers haven't read the memo yet...
20 RS's, 1 Golf R, 0 Type R's, and 10 STI's in 50 miles here...

The RS's are from 20k over MSRP to MSRP. The Golf R has no price listed.
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20 RS's, 1 Golf R, 0 Type R's, and 10 STI's in 50 miles here...

The RS's are from 20k over MSRP to MSRP. The Golf R has no price listed.
Yeah, I went to cars.com and entered 95035 (Milpitas / north San Jose).
I'm surprised by the small numbers of Golf R; looks VW is tightly controlling that inventory.
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Does the link to the article for anybody else? Is the post still up? I actually replied to it with an image of a $60k RS Monroney, got 55 likes, and now can't seem to reach the blog today. I was beginning to wonder if Ford or the dealers made him take the post down or something...
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Old 07-18-2017, 02:33 AM   #24
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The dealers local to me waited so long to remove the ADM I bought a different car and they lost a sale (and many more since I change cars every few years and won't be dealing with them again).
+1, my experience with Ford dealers when I was considering purchasing an RS soured me to the point I'll never consider a Ford again. I'll drive my SS 1LE until Subaru decides to produce a DI STi Wagon. There are 50 RS' in the Seattle area now and even the ones at 3k under MSRP aren't moving.

A dealer went on the Focus RS board offering to sell one at MSRP and he got laughed out of his own thread.
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Does the link to the article for anybody else? Is the post still up? I actually replied to it with an image of a $60k RS Monroney, got 55 likes, and now can't seem to reach the blog today. I was beginning to wonder if Ford or the dealers made him take the post down or something...
doesn't work for me either.
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