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12-05-2008, 07:23 PM | #1 |
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Wheels width vs. wheel weight on street car
I've been looking at some possible wheel options off tire rack and I'm not sure exactly what I need. Here is an example of two forged wheels that interest me.
Volk Racing RE30 18 x 8.5 @ 17.0 lbs. vs. SSR Competition 18 x 8 @ 14.5 lbs. What would be the better all around daily driven wheel, and is the trade off in Volk weight worth the advantages in wheel width, or will it barely be noticeable in street use? The Volks are heavier, but allow for more tire on the road. The SSRs are much lighter but also lose some of the width. I've also wondered how the ~2 lb. difference will affect acceleration/steering feel/braking.
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12-05-2008, 10:12 PM | #2 |
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Honestly, if you drove the car with those 2 wheels back to back, same car, same everything, only difference being the wheels, you wouldnt be able to notice the difference.
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12-05-2008, 11:36 PM | #3 |
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hmm i guess that's why rotas are widely accepted even with the weight difference. I still would rather buy an original branded wheel style that is forged just for peace of mind.
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12-06-2008, 01:22 AM | #4 |
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Do whatever makes you happy. Buy the wheel you like. For that small weight difference you likely won't notice a difference between the two with the power your car has (assuming WRX or STi)
Now when I had a 122hp Mazda Protege and I dropped 3lbs per wheel and tire combo I felt a pretty good increase in acceleration. |
12-06-2008, 04:17 AM | #5 |
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id save some $$$ and get rpf1's
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I do like Scotty's idea though. If you want name brand grab yourself some RPF1's |
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You won't feel the difference...honestly 8" width is more than enough for 99% of drivers. I was looking at the two same wheels. I'm going 18x8.5 Volks, but only for looks/stance. I love the SSR Comps and I think it's an awesome choice for a lightweight street/track wheel.
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12-06-2008, 12:35 PM | #8 |
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For a DD, you won't notice the extra weight much at all. You will probably notice a change in tire weight even more than wheel weight.
For a DD, I would go with the heavier wheel. It will resist damage from potholes much better than the SSR's. SSR's are great track wheels, but bend more easily than a lot of other wheels out there. |
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you could have 2 identical cars----one with oontzie blingie wheels on it and one with Rotas if nobody TOLD you which was which....you would NEVER know which was which and there are lots of teams racing Rotas with no issuess so what the **** is a 'original branded wheel style' anyway |
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12-06-2008, 02:10 PM | #10 |
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There are more than a few wheel styles I like a lot more that are a few pounds heavier...I guess I'll take another look back at the ones I threw out of the equation just because of weight.
I had thought forged = light weight and stronger but I guess I'm just a newbie. and to Uncle Scotty: I just have more of an initial trust for a brand name that has spent money on the original design, engineering and manufacturing hence the higher cost per wheel. I don't want to turn this into another rota vs. * thread Thanks everyone |
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the weight difference is not that noticeable from a butt dyno but the math is still there to show that lighter will benefit more in terms of acceleration. Braking and turning leans more into the factor of what tires and how wide.
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12-06-2008, 04:40 PM | #13 |
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I got the old SSR comps and some lightweight tires. Shaved 6lbs/corner off the OEM 16s/RE92s (a lightweight combo in its own right). That's a difference you can feel. If you want to feel the difference, go 17" which will save you even more weight on the wheels and save you weight on the tires.
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12-07-2008, 12:16 AM | #14 |
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few pounds?does it matter on a street car?
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12-07-2008, 08:26 AM | #16 |
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No, on a street car it doesn't. You'll never hit a speed or being a situation that you'll actually need it. On the track it can be a different story dependent on how good you actually are.
If you want lightweight Rota's get DPT's...17x9 with an 18-19lb weight...LOTS of wheel there. Forged does make a wheel stronger which is why they can get away with using less metal...hence the drop in weight. |
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I'm inclined to agree that 2lbs per corner will not make a big difference. I am pretty sure 6lbs per corner will. Perhaps that's the minimum. Perhaps not. I don't know. In all likelihood I will be buying different and heavier tires in a couple of months that will eat most of my weight savings (4 of 6). Perhaps I'll have a better idea then. Oh, one more thing. Reducing the weight from the outside makes a bigger difference than removing it from the inside. So, lighter tires will have a greater impact on acceleration than lighter wheels. Conversely, going from a fairly lightweight 16" wheel and tire to a heavier 18" wheel is bad. Adding a much heavier 18" wheel is worse and the two combined will almost certainly impact even the most numb of bottoms not to mention drag strip times and braking measurements (though a higher quality tire could counter that). My 2¢. No change required. |
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Why not go with 17x8.5 SSRs? about 14 pounds a piece and an extra half inch of width!
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funny how this almost turned into brand name vs rota..he never badmouthed rotas..he just said he feels better buying volks or ssrs..ignore uncle scotty he goes off topic often
anyways, which wheel looks better to you? |
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12-09-2008, 12:32 PM | #24 |
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I think that going from 36/lbs per corner to 30lbs per corner (17% weight reduction) will make a much greater difference that going from 833 to 848 revs per mile (1.8% size reduction).
Look, I'm not surprised at the skepticism here. I certainly raise my eyebrows every time I read how people can feel a difference due to a down pipe or reflash or lighter pulley or BBK. The best I can say is that I controlled my environment as much as possible and felt a difference at launch. Take what you will, leave the rest. |
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Not saying you didn't notice it, just that most won't and on a street car the difference in performance is negligible at best. On a track car it's a completely different animal.
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