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Old 11-26-2018, 01:10 AM   #1
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Story is stock 13 WRX 130k bought in August spun bearing in October cruising highway 200 miles on liqu moly 5w30 and already knew about no lugging and launching.
My issue is I am a Mobil 1 guy from last three Subaru going 300k. I went with the moly stuff because of all the hate with Mobil 1 in turbos. The hate for 5w30 just told me to charge at 3k for sheering. Now after short block I was like no 5w30 or energy conserving so I went Mobil 1 0w40 European formula, oem filter. It's a rumbling mess with light feedback and correction. Drove it for 200 miles. So after another two hrs of oil research I came up with Mobil 1 5w30 annual protection. Annual meaning 3-5000 miles is my plan. Feedback and correction is is gone and quiet and smooth.
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Old 11-26-2018, 07:15 AM   #2
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The hate for 5w30 just told me to charge at 3k for sheering.
^this sentence is awesome for several reasons
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Old 11-26-2018, 09:21 AM   #3
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Is English your first language? If no, well done!

If yes:
Please get off your phone while type and/or learn better English. That paragraph was a mess.
Why wouldn't you use exactly what the factory/dealer/manual tells you to use?

where are you located? Do you live in Florida or Michigan? Or Alaska? This will matter.
Not sure why you came up with 0w40 to use. What was your reason behind this?

Believe it or not, you probably don't know better than a multi-national bajillion dollar industry does when it comes to what oil should be in your car.
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Old 11-26-2018, 10:30 AM   #4
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Old 11-26-2018, 02:05 PM   #5
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Is English your first language? If no, well done!

If yes:
Please get off your phone while type and/or learn better English.
Please don't correct others from your phone.

OP, I notice 5w40 is never quoted as something you've considered using. I've used Motul 8100 x-cess in my engine since the second oil change. No problems noticed. The brand isn't important, but 5w40 has better sheer resistance than 5w30. Just my two cents.
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Old 11-26-2018, 02:16 PM   #6
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Please don't correct others from your phone.
Says the guy who can't be bothered to come out to Subiefest this year...
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Old 11-26-2018, 03:00 PM   #7
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Says the guy who can't be bothered to come out to Subiefest this year...
I'm willing to bet money Subiefest was almost as successful as it would have been had I shown up. Just think how incredible it'll be when I grace the next one with my presence.
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Old 11-26-2018, 09:39 PM   #8
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Is English your first language? If no, well done!

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Please get off your phone while type and/or learn better English. That paragraph was a mess.
Why wouldn't you use exactly what the factory/dealer/manual tells you to use?

where are you located? Do you live in Florida or Michigan? Or Alaska? This will matter.
Not sure why you came up with 0w40 to use. What was your reason behind this?

Believe it or not, you probably don't know better than a multi-national bajillion dollar industry does when it comes to what oil should be in your car.
Yup I'm from Michigan and I only know English because my education was horrible. I think your talking about grammar which is as poor as me knowing a second language.
I came up with European 0w40 because of the hate chatter for US oil formulas along with the 5w30 hate.
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Yup I'm from Michigan and I only know English because my education was horrible. I think your talking about grammar which is as poor as me knowing a second language.
I came up with European 0w40 because of the hate chatter for US oil formulas along with the 5w30 hate.
So because your education was horrible you ONLY know english?
ok

0w40 is a viscosity dude, not a proprietary 'formula' from one continent vs another continent.

What context are you finding all the 'hate chatter' for US oil formulas?
And also, what on earth does that even mean?
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I think the majority of hate posts point towards Mobil 1. I'm sort of new here, so maybe I haven't read enough threads about this, but it gets pretty boring after reading more than 1000 threads and cross checking against bobistheoilguy. There are other synthetic oil brands. There's a super secret one that appears to be well respected here. I'll leave the exact name for you to find.

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Story is stock 13 WRX 130k bought in August spun bearing in October cruising highway 200 miles on liqu moly 5w30 and already knew about no lugging and launching.

My issue is I am a Mobil 1 guy from last three Subaru going 300k. I went with the moly stuff because of all the hate with Mobil 1 in turbos. The hate for 5w30 just told me to charge at 3k for sheering. Now after short block I was like no 5w30 or energy conserving so I went Mobil 1 0w40 European formula, oem filter. It's a rumbling mess with light feedback and correction. Drove it for 200 miles. So after another two hrs of oil research I came up with Mobil 1 5w30 annual protection. Annual meaning 3-5000 miles is my plan. Feedback and correction is is gone and quiet and smooth.

The problem was not with running 0W-40. 5W-40 is recommended by Subaru Japan so itís not like a 40 viscosity will give you problems due to thickness. Mobil 1 5W-30 AP is good oil, but it doesnít really give you much advantage over the regular M1 5W-30.

Would you rather run an oil that meets Porsche and MB specs or one that requires passing the Sequence IVA wear test in a 1994 Nissan?

https://www.swri.org/sites/default/f...e-iva-test.pdf

Brand doesnít matter. Specs matter most.
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Old 11-27-2018, 12:12 PM   #12
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F-it

I'm going with Ukranian formulas from now on due to hate chatter on the Kazakstanian formulas.
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Old 11-27-2018, 12:27 PM   #13
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I think the majority of hate posts point towards Mobil 1. I'm sort of new here, so maybe I haven't read enough threads about this, but it gets pretty boring after reading more than 1000 threads and cross checking against bobistheoilguy. There are other synthetic oil brands. There's a super secret one that appears to be well respected here. I'll leave the exact name for you to find.

Please critique my English.

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Let me guess, begins with R and ends with otella T6.
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Old 12-03-2018, 12:54 PM   #14
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I use rotella I highly recommend
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Old 12-03-2018, 01:30 PM   #15
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Which one? Rotella is just a line of oils .
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Old 12-03-2018, 08:43 PM   #16
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Someone like @bluesubie who knows oil far better than me will be able to comment if I make a mistake here to ensure I am not spreading inaccurate information, but I feel like intervals upwards of 5k miles on the M1 Annual Protection may not be the optimal plan at all, as this oil appears to be a resource conserving oil that favors drain interval and efficiency over wear protection...that's not a good match for a turbo EJ IMHO, and IIRC the oil thread notes your WRX does not have an oil cooler, which could make this a greater issue. In fact, even during a 3k interval I would be a little concerned at what weight that oil would be towards the end... Especially if you had a previous bearing failure, selecting an oil that stays in-grade throughout the full intervals seems very important.

It looks like the HT/HS of this oil is 3.0...for a turbo EJ, that seems sub-optimal, even with lighter driving conditions. Comparatively, 5w40 Schaeffer 9000 is over 4.0, 5w40 8100 X-Cess is something like 3.7, and 5w30 8100 X-Clean EFE is like 3.5. My knowledge isn't great enough to say what is 'best' - that said, these engines are hard on oil and appear to be happy when the HT/HS is 3.5+.

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rotella has hella zinc, more than the 'performance' brands
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"(I switched to pennzoil 5w30 great stuff BTW, definitely produced a smoother idle. I learned of it here https://540ratblog.wordpress.com)

Tons of great oil info. in that link.
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"(I switched to pennzoil 5w30 great stuff BTW, definitely produced a smoother idle. I learned of it here https://540ratblog.wordpress.com)

Tons of great oil info. in that link.
Amazing link! thank you so much! rotella t6 ranked horribly! ditching that oil TODAY!

i think im going to get the 5w30 bio oil ranked 4th so i can feel good knowing im not gunking up our planet even more than it already is.
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"(I switched to pennzoil 5w30 great stuff BTW, definitely produced a smoother idle. I learned of it here https://540ratblog.wordpress.com)

Tons of great oil info. in that link.


Pennzoil is excellent oil, but that site is the worst oil resource ever. Sorry. Just check any of the regular threads posted about it at bitog with comments from oil formulators (Solarent/MolaKule) and other engineering types that work in industry:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ub...ics/4345046/21

Brand doesnít matter. Specs matter most.

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Pennzoil is excellent oil, but that site is the worst oil resource ever. Sorry. Just check any of the regular threads posted about it at bitog with comments from oil formulators (Solarent/MolaKule) and other engineering types that work in industry:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ub...ics/4345046/21

Brand doesnít matter. Specs matter most.
do those guys have a website and tests proving rat is the worst resource ever?
Because one guy has the website, has the engineering credentials, and took the time to test 240 oils.
All these other ants up in arms with their pitchforks and torches, dont have any degrees, nor have they conducted any of their own tests with their own methodologies to discredit ratrods findings . i dont listen to armchair warriors concerned with taking down one guy instead of doing their own studies to show what was done incorrectly by the first guy
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Amazing link! thank you so much! rotella t6 ranked horribly! ditching that oil TODAY!

i think im going to get the 5w30 bio oil ranked 4th so i can feel good knowing im not gunking up our planet even more than it already is.
I still have my reserves about Rotella, because I like it, but there is better out there.


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Pennzoil is excellent oil, but that site is the worst oil resource ever. Sorry. Just check any of the regular threads posted about it at bitog with comments from oil formulators (Solarent/MolaKule) and other engineering types that work in industry:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ub...ics/4345046/21

Brand doesnít matter. Specs matter most.

TY Blue. I wouldn't say the worst. The guy finds the point at which oil fails and simplifies that information. That to me is very important.

I pick my oils in regards to anti-wear protection. The engine build specs help me with viscosity and that is all. RAT helped me get there. I was looking for an oil out the gate; something off the shelf, that I could buy without any downtime offering the most protection. Other than that I'm not a brand whore or a man that needs the top of the line hundred dollar bottle. I'm pretty meticulous with my oil changes anyway. I'm on my 2nd in 1000 miles; I plan to keep my trimonthly / 2500mile intervals going.

I just advise everyone to do your own research and make your own choice.
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do those guys have a website and tests proving rat is the worst resource ever?

Because one guy has the website, has the engineering credentials, and took the time to test 240 oils.

All these other ants up in arms with their pitchforks and torches, dont have any degrees, nor have they conducted any of their own tests with their own methodologies to discredit ratrods findings . i dont listen to armchair warriors concerned with taking down one guy instead of doing their own studies to show what was done incorrectly by the first guy

Iíve been on bitog long enough that I know the armchair warriors from people in the industry. Shannow designs bearings and MolaKule and Solarent are oil formulators that formulate oil according to industry standards and ASTM tests. There are many other engineers in that thread as well.

RAT dismisses HTHS, as well as a lot of other things, and does not tell you how his tests are performed and against what standards. Shannow has challenged Rat on his blog many times and Rat simply responds with a bunch of caps saying that Shannow doesnít know what heís talking about.

Read through the thread (as well as many others) and youíll see that Shannow does back up his comments with studies and not just opinions.
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I still have my reserves about Rotella, because I like it, but there is better out there.

TY Blue. I wouldn't say the worst. The guy finds the point at which oil fails and simplifies that information. That to me is very important.

I agree that there are better choices than Rotella but it does perform well in Turbocharged Subaruís and that is backed by many uoaís.

How does Rat find the point at which an oil fails?? You donít know because he wonít tell you. At least when Amsoil talks about the 4 ball wear test, they tell you the ASTM test used. Even though itís a test used for Extreme Pressure additives in gear oil and is a meaningless test for engine oil.
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Blue, when motul now brands their x-clean as C2/C3 but older x-clean bottles are marked as C3, is that just marketing on Motul's part, or will the 8100 x-clean efe not be as heavy duty as a pure C3 oil?

The oil choice thread detailed differences in the numbers within A/B classifications, but just had a single entry for all C classifications.
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