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Old 12-02-2018, 06:22 PM   #26
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Stock STI ride height is just right. You can also put a lift kit on it if you're into that kind of thing.
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Old 12-02-2018, 07:41 PM   #27
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Op, no break in period??? Not to burst your bubble, but you're still f**king that new girl, which seems way better than the girl you already broke in with the 'newness' factor being a big contributor. Give it 6k miles and re-evaluate. You might still love the STI, but you'll probably miss a couple things about the WRX. Granted the suspensions have changed quite a bit, when I had my 15 STI I missed the way my 13 WRX rode.

As far as the STI goes... That sound, though... When I move on to my next car from my 2018 STI, after having a 13 WRX and a 15 STI, I'm going to have to jump into a V8 just to retain any respectable motor sound. My 13 WRX and 15 STI both had aftermarket exhausts, but for some reason the 18 sounds just right from the factory. I swear it has more sound than my 15, but I don't think they changed a thing. In the foreseeable future, I'm keeping my 18 bone stock, right down to the Subaru AWD decals.

As you pointed out, the bumpy back roads are where this car shines. I almost always drive mine like a grandpa, giving it partial throttle and just enjoying slowly running up the RPM'S, down shifting, slow rolling the corners, and hearing the motor do its work. But on the rare occasion that I feel like it's safe enough to cut her loose for a couple turns, she sings.

You forgot a major con to the STI. Every douche in a fast V8, including big trucks, will give you a ricer flyby or want to take a run at you. It gets annoying. I keep driving and let them do their thing, but I swallow some pride in doing so. If they pace me and rev, I just hit the brakes until they get the point. I'm in my mid 30's. I don't street race.

Not only is the attention a con in itself, but most of these cars know that you're not built for straight line speed. You're an easy target to pick off, and a fun one at that. What boy racer wouldn't want to point and laugh at our pure race car looks from their rear view mirrors? The STI has fallen behind the times in the horsepower race, even with a couple thousand dollars in mods. So you'e driving around in a super aggressive looking car with a massive wing on the back that might get roasted by a v6 Camry (seriously) and definitely get walked by modern muscle. When you can only put a couple lengths on Dad driving his modern SUV, it might be time to reevaluate your choices if straight line speed is your thing. That doesn't sound like the case for you.

Be careful on those public roads. I've found a lot of pedestrians in a lot of strange places on blind corners, where you wouldn't think anyone would be walking. During those times, I thank God (literally) that I don't drive like I did when I was younger. Vehicular manslaughter is no joke. When they pull your ECU and see that you were at full throttle at 80 mph, get ready for a little bit of prison time.

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The STI is better than the WRX in every way except for comfort.
Truth. My STI rides like ****, especially now that it's cold. It seemed butter smooth at first, but after putting a few thousand miles on my STI, the suspension firmed up quite a bit. I missed those bumpy kidney punches and interior rattles, anyway.

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It's funny how different these two cars are even though they look similar.
Even more odd is how different my 18 STI with recarros feels compared to my 15. With the thicker windows and added sound dampening the car feels more refined. I believed they changed the clutch engagement and slightly softened the suspension. All of the other things, along with the more aggressive looks, makes me feel like I didn't jump into the exact same car.

Side story - But, I'd still be in my 15STI if the suspension hadn't had a ghost issue to where Subaru gave me a really surprising good will incentive, before negotiations, toward a 18.
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Old 12-02-2018, 08:59 PM   #28
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Hi ProZach. I really like the suspension. The high speed compression damping seems quite supple on square edges given its abilities on the smooth asphalt. I was up on the logging roads this morning and surprised at how well water filled pots holes were handled... pretty amazing really given the 19" wheels and little rubber available for cushion.

I live in a rural area so we don't really have kiddies wanting to street race, which is nice... and hoped up street cars just aren't common. But the car does really catch some eyes. I think the WRX line carries pretty substantial clout and respect in my part of the country. I can understand how regional differences in population and terrain might lead to a prioritization of max power for straight line speed since that might be mostly all there is to enjoy. But I have lots twisting roads with elevation changes, both dirt and paved. The paved are wet, mossy, and/or leave covered much of the time.

After owning some big block sport bikes, automobile acceleration just doesn't impress me. What does impress me though is the traction the STI provides - phenomenal! This car feels so refined and in control. That is exactly what I was hoping for. I thought after 4 model years the current WRX would have been more refined. I really had (naively) high hopes for AWD system to be very high-tech in function as I had been quite impressed with my older Challenger's BLD differential years ago and figured after Subaru refinement today's systems would be awesome. Didn't pan out, but the STI definitely feels like it has gone through improvement after improvement... like the testers and engineers have been where I am before and really got things figured out. Again, this was one of the reasons why I did not wait for the "new" STI. I wanted something towards the end not the beginning of its development cycle.

Other than the road noise from the tires on our very coarse asphalt roads, I find the car very quiet and comfortable, with little cabin noise. Yes the boxer exhaust sounds nice, quiet but nice!
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Old 12-02-2018, 09:23 PM   #29
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ProZach626- Interesting indeed! I've not driven the 18 or 19 STI's so don't know how they sound inside the cabin, but I'm sure they are a blast to drive.

I'm an older guy but I can see myself getting another STI (next gen) after the 16 I have now. There's something special about these Subaru's they are just a blast to drive.

I too don't think my Stage1 STI is all that fast, but how it drives and how I can wring her out to redline without going crazy speeds, its perfect for me for street driving.
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Old 12-03-2018, 09:22 PM   #30
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Few things bother me with my WRX which I wonder if the STI solves: 1) rattles and noisy plastics
2) Soft brakes
3) CVT automatic transmission (how is the STI automatic transmission )
4) low rpm torque
If those issues are not better with the STI I shop at the neighbors store...
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Old 12-04-2018, 08:51 AM   #31
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1) is a hit or miss. My 16 STI has no rattles but 19 WRX does on cold days.

2) STI brakes are noticeably stronger and has more bite.

3) can’t help you there. lol

4) STI has instantaneous punch (for a 4 banger) in lower torque vs WRX. When the sales guy mentioned about the WRX having more lower end torque vs my STI during the test drive, I was like hummmmm...
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Old 12-04-2018, 09:23 AM   #32
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Few things bother me with my WRX which I wonder if the STI solves: 1) rattles and noisy plastics
2) Soft brakes
3) CVT automatic transmission (how is the STI automatic transmission )
4) low rpm torque
If those issues are not better with the STI I shop at the neighbors store...
1) Can't help you there. Only real fix is strategic and careful use of pieces of dynamat or other dampening material. STI has a much firmer ride and has the same body as the WRX, so it will be subjected to more vibration and jolts from the road and will thus rattle and squeak a bit more.

2) Your brakes aren't soft. They're completely competent for the vehicle. What you're having an issue with is something that will only really be solved by a good bleed of your brake lines to get any air out. If that doesn't work, replace brake lines with braided stainless steel. If the issue instead is that your brakes don't bite hard enough, then the solution there is instead a better brake pad.

That said, the STI's 6 pot/4 pot (or are the rears still 2 pot?) brembos are, in a word, awwwwwwwesome. But your WRX's brakes will stop the car just as quickly given same speed at which the brakes were applied, same brake pads, and same tires in the same wear condition. Brakes don't stop the car. Your tires do. The Brembos instead won't overheat as quickly and the bigger pads have more suface area to bite into the rotor with, thus reducing overall brake pad wear, and last longer. They're better for track driving while having no downside for street driving unless you're running pads which should only be run on the track and not the street (track pads have poor braking bite initially until they're warmed up, which is unsafe for street use, but once they're warmed up they have superior bite and don't wear as fast in the very hot track conditions as a street pad will).

3) The STI does not commit the blasphemous heresy of letting itself be defiled with a CVT . It is 6spd DCCD MT only.

4) The STI still runs the EJ engine and single scroll turbo. The FA20DIT and its twin scroll begin to boost much earlier, and IMO have better torque down low. However, the STI has much better torque overall, since it is of course 42hp higher in peak bhp. But it has a more old school turbo 4 feel in the power band. You've got to work for it. What I'm saying will make more sense if you do a back to back test drive comparison.

I find that both the WRX and STI are great handling street cars with gobs more power than "needed". Some like the STI's more racing feel, better transmission (the 6spd MT in the STI is one of the more bullet-proof ones out there. It is a real workhorse), and better power stock. Others like the WRX's more comfortable ride, better gas mileage, and faster spooling turbo.

When I was test driving competitor's vehicles, nothing handled as sharply or as nimbly as the WRX. The closest was the Golf GTI, but its power was comparatively weak (not bad, just nowhere near as much low end grunt as a WRX). The Focus ST was just a pile of junk. I wasn't able to test drive a Civic Type R or Civic Si as the local dealer had neither on the lot.
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