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Old 08-10-2019, 07:02 AM   #1
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The Toyota Supra launched to considerable fanfare early in 2019. In the months since the storied nameplate returned, itís been the subject of praise as well as criticism and considerable speculation. Itís certainly fast and fun-to-drive, as we learned firsthand in our first-drive feature earlier this year. Despite this, itís struggled to outshine the BMW connection in the hearts of many Supra purists. Thatís especially true since the BMW Z4 Ė which shares its bones and powertrain with the Supra Ė gets significantly more horsepower from the same engine. In short, many of these folks believe the Supra is really just a hardtop Z4 with hand-me-down equipment.

The folks at Autoblog recently had occasion to speak with Tetsuya Tada, Toyotaís chief engineer for the Supra. Coming out of that interview was an interesting tidbit that might quell some of the Supra backlash. In short, Tada reportedly said that ďÖthe promise is to offer more performance with each additional version.Ē The takeaway? More power is coming, but beyond that, the report further states than an upgraded Supra could arrive at the rate of one per year.

It should be noted, however, that an upgraded Supra doesnít automatically mean upgraded power under the hood. That will probably come eventually, especially since weíve seen just how easy it is to get more power from its boosted inline-six engine. Special street or track edition models are certainly possible, featuring upgraded suspension components and perhaps some added aero trickery. In short, the report conveys that Toyota wonít simply let the Supra wither on the vine.

In the meantime, Supras are now hitting showrooms. We priced out the most expensive model at $59,744, but sadly thatís not stopping some dealerships from tacking on insane six-figure markups. Hereís hoping similar pricing insanity doesnít befall these as-yet-unknown future variants.
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Old 08-10-2019, 11:16 AM   #2
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Upgraded models = some overpriced TRD aero and maybe suspension.
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Old 08-10-2019, 11:35 AM   #3
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If they are making considerably more power than advertised, power bumps every couple years will require no changes for its lifecycle. Third pedal may be the only significant option. Odd that wasn’t even mentioned.
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Old 08-10-2019, 11:50 AM   #4
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If they are making considerably more power than advertised, power bumps every couple years will require no changes for its lifecycle. Third pedal may be the only significant option. Odd that wasnít even mentioned.
Gotta keep the suspense!!!
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Old 08-10-2019, 01:17 PM   #5
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They could literally keep the car exactly the same, add a third pedal, call it a "new/upgrade version" and everyone would still be super pleased.
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They brought it to market pretty cheap, right? Well, every time they have anything they consider "new", even if it's a color or trim change, it's a justification for them to increase the price. If they do yearly updates, they don't have to project what the value of their dollar (inflation/deflation) will be over the car's lifecycle. They can just change the base price based on the economy on a yearly basis. Nissan did that with the GTR for the last 11 years with an "update" every ~2-3 years, and by now it's up to $212K with no huge differences.
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Old 08-10-2019, 06:30 PM   #7
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They brought it to market pretty cheap, right? Well, every time they have anything they consider "new", even if it's a color or trim change, it's a justification for them to increase the price. If they do yearly updates, they don't have to project what the value of their dollar (inflation/deflation) will be over the car's lifecycle. They can just change the base price based on the economy on a yearly basis. Nissan did that with the GTR for the last 11 years with an "update" every ~2-3 years, and by now it's up to $212K with no huge differences.
Good point - it's insane what the GT-R went for in its first year or two vs. what it goes for now.
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Upgraded models = some overpriced TRD aero and maybe suspension.
Open up one fake vent each year.
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Old 08-11-2019, 10:47 AM   #9
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LOL'ed at 6-figure markups.

Supra benchmarked the 718 Cayman-GTS, correct? I'd just get that instead. Or cheap out and get the M2 Competition.. although I much prefer the 718's styling.
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LOL'ed at 6-figure markups.

Supra benchmarked the 718 Cayman-GTS, correct? I'd just get that instead. Or cheap out and get the M2 Competition.. although I much prefer the 718's styling.
Or, you could buy the corvette.
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This car is growing on me and I'm over the fact that it's really just a BMW. I keep imagining one in black or white with some super wide bronze TE37s. I wonder if Nissan will feel compelled to counter and change up the Z with a smaller lighter turboed car WITH a manual.
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This car is growing on me and I'm over the fact that it's really just a BMW. I keep imagining one in black or white with some super wide bronze TE37s. I wonder if Nissan will feel compelled to counter and change up the Z with a smaller lighter turboed car WITH a manual.
I just feel like for the money, Iíd rather get an M2 which has a proper race built engine and not some generic BMW transplanted engine. Hell, you can get the M2 in a manual if youíre really hard on for it. Slap a tune on that car and itís a different beast. At a catted aftermarket down pipe and tube, yolo.

I really want to like this car and keep trying to find a a reason to but I canít. It shifts up damn fast but apparently the Dow shifts are not amazing. Yeah, itís a damn fast car that currently outperforms the M2 but would YOU be able to outperform yourself in a Supra versus M2? Not likely.

Maybe Iíve become jaded, who knows. I was once a Supra fanboi and all that garbage but I just donít see the appeal of this car and a lot of the sales of this car will be from the hype and fan base the MKIV had. I think if this car was launched under any other name, the hype surrounding the car wouldnít be nearly as high.

Hopefully Iíll get an opportunity to drive one and make an actual verdict on it. But my personal opinion, I just donít see the appeal of it considering the M2 or Corvette are within the same price range and the corvette clearly crushes it from a performance standpoint.
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Or, you could buy the corvette.
Yeah, the Grand Sport is a nice package indeed for street.
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Put me the M2 camp as well. I just don't see the appeal here. The markups are stupid high right now too.
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I just love the looks. No other car on the road looks like it and it pulls 1.07g on the skid pad with ancient Michelin PSS tires. It’s a fantastic car.
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I just love the looks. No other car on the road looks like it and it pulls 1.07g on the skid pad with ancient Michelin PSS tires. Itís a fantastic car.
So it pulls .08 more than the M2. Is that really that much of a difference? If you like the car, you like the car and looks will always be subjective. I just think there is better value to be had with the M2 for an all around fun car that might see ocassiobal track duty. If you want a track dedicated car, the Supra might be the better option. Or, corvette which will be the ultimate option in that price category.
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The supra has a problem and it is called the C8 Corvette. 60k and you get 500HP mid engined V8 that is RWD.

Supra may as well go home
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lol Scrap.
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toyota waited too long to bring this car back. Chevy owns anything near 60k right now.
Unless it is put together with mayonnaise they are the elephant in the room
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An i8 with a 5.0 V8 from Lexus for $60k? Not in a million trillion years.
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The supra has a problem and it is called the C8 Corvette. 60k and you get 500HP mid engined V8 that is RWD.

Supra may as well go home
I don't entirely disagree and the value proposition from GM with the C8 is incredible, but I'll believe it when I see it as far as ergonomics, fit and finish, overall refinement, etc. I actually think they're doing themselves a disservice having the Corvette badge on the car. All that said I've never been interested in a Corvette and I am now; should be a great used pickup when the initial C8s are 5 years old and cost $25k used in mint condition.
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They brought it to market pretty cheap, right? Well, every time they have anything they consider "new", even if it's a color or trim change, it's a justification for them to increase the price. If they do yearly updates, they don't have to project what the value of their dollar (inflation/deflation) will be over the car's lifecycle. They can just change the base price based on the economy on a yearly basis. Nissan did that with the GTR for the last 11 years with an "update" every ~2-3 years, and by now it's up to $212K with no huge differences.
Holy hell, a GTR is really that expensive now? They used to be 85k brand new or less, right?
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Personally, I would choose the M2 Competition w/ manual trans over the Supra despite being a MKIV Supra fan.

M2 Comp:
  • Manual trans for enthusiasts
  • S55 M engine from the M3 & M4. This engine is capable of 550+ whp with just downpipes & E85 tune.
  • Back seat & larger cargo capacity = more "practical" for a DD
  • Cheaper when you factor in the current dealer markups for the Supra
  • No confused identity (joking.. kind of).
Supra:
  • Hype that the Supra has returned since the legendary MKIV.. albeit with a BMW engine. I'm not saying that the B58 is a bad engine, but it would be nice to get the S55 M egnine & a manual transmission. It is the Supra after all.. and following in the 2JZ's footsteps.
  • "Dedicated sports car platform" - One could argue that the M2 Competition is a beefed up 2 series chassis that may have had some compromises made. They're both around the same curb weight (~3400 lbs).
  • Looks are subjective, but I like the Supra more for its uniqueness.
  • Underrated power figures from Toyota. Likely closer to the Z4's 380 hp.
  • Better fuel economy

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Wait a couple years. Great deal on a Supra.
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So my problem with the M is I worry about BMW reliability issues, but at the same time the Supra is a BMW. I don't worry too much about the Vette's reliability being a GM product of course this is coming from someone who drives GM products. Speaking of a new ZL1 1LE stickers from around $60k with a, "normal" ZL1 for not much less. Too bad they're so horrible to see out of.
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