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10-07-2016, 06:43 AM | #701 |
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Stickier tires alone is not the only answer to more stopping power but since tires are what make contact between the car and the road, they are a big part.
Increasing stopping power is comprised of multiple elements, and tires are part of that equation
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10-07-2016, 03:24 PM | #702 |
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Yeah, I would agree with this. "Stopping Power" is kind of a vague term unless you're using actual numbers to back it up, like stopping distance of a specific weighted vehicle from a specific speed at a specific temperature and road condition, etc.
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10-12-2016, 12:18 PM | #703 |
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Amen, post is spot on.
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11-02-2016, 06:31 PM | #704 |
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All of that makes perfect sense to me, but something that I do appreciate (and am willing to spend a reasonable amount of money on) is brake feel.
If one were looking to improve the brake feel or that "confidence" that people talk about in regards to braking systems on different cars, is it enough to upgrade the pads? Do SS brake lines make a noticeable difference at the cost of $100-200 (plus time for a self install)? |
11-02-2016, 10:27 PM | #705 | |
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Aside from caliper replacement nothing beats a well matched pad. |
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11-07-2016, 05:23 PM | #706 | |
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1. Faster wear on the pad compared to Ceramic (not a big deal to me) 2. More brake dust 3. Possibly more noise (would like to avoid that if possible) - squeaky brakes drive me nuts |
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11-07-2016, 08:37 PM | #707 | |
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11-11-2016, 12:52 AM | #708 |
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I'm just looking for some big flashy Wilwoods. Why do you have to add logic to this!! Good thread ***128077;***127996;
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11-11-2016, 11:00 PM | #709 |
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I say there's nothing wrong with getting some flashy big brakes, as long as you know that it's mostly just cosmetic and that makes you happy.
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11-21-2016, 04:53 PM | #710 |
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I find it hilarious that someone would argue against your point.
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11-26-2016, 08:10 PM | #711 |
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Brakes are important. Make sure you purchase quality pads
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12-06-2016, 05:32 PM | #712 |
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warped rotors!
Yep! gotta put some vented ones on!
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12-08-2016, 05:55 PM | #713 |
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awesome post
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03-07-2017, 09:18 PM | #714 |
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True
even my disc/drum OBS +pirelli strada+ eyeballs popping out under braking
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03-12-2017, 12:31 AM | #715 |
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Thank you for this! can any recommend good OEM replacement Pads & Rotors? I have a 2014 Impreza hatch. 2.0/
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03-22-2017, 08:50 PM | #716 | |
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This was very helpful. Thank you.
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06-03-2017, 06:15 PM | #717 |
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There's alot of maths that aren't explained here but in the end one the biggest issues with that "OHS**T" situation is temperatures and that's really the only place for improvement with an oem set up.
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06-05-2017, 11:00 AM | #718 | |
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While heat will certainly build up very rapidly in an OHS**T situation, most of these situations will arise very suddenly and singularly, and the moment will usually pass just as quickly as it started. That means your brakes are in a thermally static state (I.E. not heatsoaked from lots of hard braking beforehand), and there won't be enough time to build up more heat than the components can shed in those few short moments. Simply put, fade is caused by prolonged use of brakes, causing excessive residual heat that is harder to dissipate, and this is what reduces performance. A brief and one-time panic stop situation, no matter how dramatic, is usually not enough to cause the kind of absorbed heat that will cause fade. So no, if you want the best improvement to OEM setup for a panic stop situation, you need grippier tires that won't lock up as easily. Last edited by flat4banger; 07-27-2017 at 09:38 AM. |
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06-05-2017, 11:49 AM | #719 |
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And if you've ever nailed the brakes with a set of cold "ultra high performance" track pads, it is indeed an OHSH**T moment, because they don't work anywhere near as well as OE pads do when they're cold.
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07-26-2017, 06:40 PM | #720 |
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Here's a question regarding this topic, I upgraded my tires immediately (used car came with snow tires on the factory rims ) to BF Goodrich G-force Pro Comp-2 tyres particularly good in wet conditions (living on the Pacific North West coast) But I feel that the stock brakes are fairly mushy. I'm wondering how one could change the brake peddle position where it starts to grab? Since nearly all my driving is canyon driving (just not full tilt,) should I upgrade the brake pads to something a little more aggressive and maybe the fluid and brake lines but keep the rest stock? Planning on going cobb stage 2 next year and would like to ensure that I'm not going to be feeling more brake fade. I haven't been able to completely lock up my wheels and slide so I'm not sure if that's the tires gripping or abs or I'm just not pushing down hard enough.
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07-27-2017, 12:27 AM | #721 | |
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What you probably are wanting is pads with a better initial bite. Theres a lot of information on here, I got to page 22 before giving up and skipping to the last page. I would say that you want a pad and fluid that will help with brake fade as that will be you major issue with hill driving. I know of a few roads that I drive where if your pads aren't up to it you will definitely get brake fade, thrust me I know this form friends and personal experience (and this is all in the legal driving speeds) |
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07-27-2017, 08:59 AM | #722 | |
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- Old fluid. Time for a fluid change. An inexpensive upgrade in brake fluid is Valvoline DOT3/DOT4 synthetic. - Air in the brake system. Time for the brake system to be bled. Air can get into the system if the brakes were improperly bled in the past. This would be a good time to replace the old brake fluid. - Worn brake lines. Brake lines are typically rubber and they wear out over time, resulting in the brake hose becoming more flexible when applying pressure from the brake pedal. - Flex at the brake master cylinder. There are several brake master cylinder braces available. Based on your driving, sounds like you could/should upgrade to better pads. Have no idea what you are using for brake pads now, so hard to recommend anything without something to compare to. Lots of options depending on what you really like/want to do. Everyone has their opinions on brake pads as to which is best. You don't want anything with too much initial bite, because it can easily get you into more trouble than you can handle. Remember you are talking canyon driving. Suggest you call up KNS Brakes and talk to them. Tell them what you what to do and what you are expecting. Then buy from them what they suggest. They will not steer you wrong. |
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07-27-2017, 09:13 AM | #723 | |
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You can't really change the length of travel, but there's a lot you can do to improve the feel. Anytime I drive my dad's stock 2004 Forester, the brake petal feels totally like mush. |
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10-01-2017, 05:53 PM | #724 |
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Great write up. Very informative.
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10-07-2017, 07:00 PM | #725 |
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Its not so much the speed its more the heat. Heat is what needs to be controlled with the proper selection of pads and rotors for the situation. Racing needs racing brakes but they will suck on normal driving and vs versa.
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