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Old 02-07-2016, 01:31 PM   #1
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Now that I have put 5K miles on my 16 WRX and seem to be settling in with it, how it behaves etc. I'm noticing more and more every day that I hate how it feels at times going into 1st and 2nd. I don't remember it feeling that way in the beginning? The strange part is that it is completely intermittent! 20% of the time I will take it for a ride or be going to work or something and it could not shift better! Love it, falls perfectly into every gear with complete ease, which is what made me love the car from the beginning.

Now I am noticing most of the time 1st and 2nd gear shifts do not just fall into gears very easily. It's worth noting that what I'm describing is subtle, the type of thing that someone first driving the car for an hour maybe wouldn't notice but maybe having the car for a week would start to feel something feels off with those 2 gears at times. Sometimes I go to put it into first gear and instead of falling nicely into gear there is a slight resistance like it goes a little into the gear hits some light resistance and than I keep light pressure and it than falls the rest of the way into the gear. I dare say feels kind of like it very very slightly crunches into gear 1 and 2 80% of the time. Like it goes halfway into those gears somethings in the way at first and than will go the rest of the way into gear.

Has anyone else noticed this with their car? I have the factory installed dealer option Short Throw Shifter. What just doesn't make any cents is why it doesn't happen all of the time? There seems to be no rhyme or reason for it to all the sudden be shifting beautifully in every gear on one trip, and than the next time I drive it it's right back to shifting like crap in the first 2 gears. Over the past month the temperature has bounced from high 50's to low 20's and there is no correlation with the weather. It has driven both good and bad in whatever temperature, weither the car if warmed up or cold? When it's good I feel like I love the car. When it's doing that shifting thing makes me want to sell the car. Subtle or not, I absolutely hate do drive it like that.
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Old 02-07-2016, 01:44 PM   #2
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Now that I have put 5K miles on my 16 WRX and seem to be settling in with it, how it behaves etc. I'm noticing more and more every day that I hate how it feels at times going into 1st and 2nd. I don't remember it feeling that way in the beginning? The strange part is that it is completely intermittent! 20% of the time I will take it for a ride or be going to work or something and it could not shift better! Love it, falls perfectly into every gear with complete ease, which is what made me love the car from the beginning.

Now I am noticing most of the time 1st and 2nd gear shifts do not just fall into gears very easily. It's worth noting that what I'm describing is subtle, the type of thing that someone first driving the car for an hour maybe wouldn't notice but maybe having the car for a week would start to feel something feels off with those 2 gears at times. Sometimes I go to put it into first gear and instead of falling nicely into gear there is a slight resistance like it goes a little into the gear hits some light resistance and than I keep light pressure and it than falls the rest of the way into the gear. I dare say feels kind of like it very very slightly crunches into gear 1 and 2 80% of the time. Like it goes halfway into those gears somethings in the way at first and than will go the rest of the way into gear.

Has anyone else noticed this with their car? I have the factory installed dealer option Short Throw Shifter. What just doesn't make any cents is why it doesn't happen all of the time? There seems to be no rhyme or reason for it to all the sudden be shifting beautifully in every gear on one trip, and than the next time I drive it it's right back to shifting like crap in the first 2 gears. Over the past month the temperature has bounced from high 50's to low 20's and there is no correlation with the weather. It has driven both good and bad in whatever temperature, weither the car if warmed up or cold? When it's good I feel like I love the car. When it's doing that shifting thing makes me want to sell the car. Subtle or not, I absolutely hate do drive it like that.
The 2015/2016 WRX are known to have sloppy shifts (new or worn in). You should invest in a Shift stop and a new Shift Brass bushing. I think this will probably cost you no more than $100 (can't remember how much I paid for the shift stop but the brass bushing is about $25. Installation is DIY super easy although the brass bushing will require you lift your car up to get underneath. (No special tools required).

Both my stop shift and brass bushing are from Perrin and it makes a world of difference.
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Old 02-07-2016, 02:15 PM   #3
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Well the sloppy shifter feel is definitely an annoyance for sure. But this doesn't feel anyway related to the slop. The problem lies once I'm past the slop and am at where the gear actually is. Once there just feels like it doesn't want to go right in. Like it fights ya for a half of a second and than lets u in gear. None the less I have recently installed a shift stop which did remove the slop and feels great in that regard. But there is no difference in helping this mention issue of kind of crunching feeling for the first 2 gears?
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Old 02-07-2016, 02:33 PM   #4
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Perhaps double clutching would help. If the speed of the engine isn't matched to the speed of the transmission, the synchros spin up to match them. It is hard to put into gear when this is the case. If the gears happen to line up during a shift or if the speeds are matched, it should "snick" right in.
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Brand new gear oil makes the synchronizers in our transmissions work really well... but even 5k miles on the fluid can mean changes in viscosity, molecule breakdown & shearing. Change out the OEM stuff and put good synthetic in (it's a shame they don't make REAL Extra-S anymore), and that "new" feeling will last 15k rather than 5.

It might also be that you're being impatient and trying to stuff it into gear... if this is the case, then those synchros have only just started their complaining. Double clutch rev matching is the best way, as Jack said, to get this done in a hurry.
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Old 02-07-2016, 02:50 PM   #6
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yep. hated the wrx 6 speed.

swap in a v7 sti 6 speed
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Old 02-07-2016, 03:39 PM   #7
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Nothing ruins the experience of driving a manual transmission car than a poor shifting gearbox. The crappy Chineese made 6-speed forced me to get rid of my 2012 Mustang GT.
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Old 02-07-2016, 04:19 PM   #8
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Perhaps double clutching would help. If the speed of the engine isn't matched to the speed of the transmission, the synchros spin up to match them. It is hard to put into gear when this is the case. If the gears happen to line up during a shift or if the speeds are matched, it should "snick" right in.

"granny shifting, not double clutching like yerspost to" :P

Yeah i know the feeling with resistance putting it in first...
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Old 02-07-2016, 04:44 PM   #9
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Case temp and fluid temp can play a factor in variances as you describe.
Changing fluid regularly will reduce fluid fatigue and keep things in best shape as far as synchro mesh goes.

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Perhaps double clutching would help. If the speed of the engine isn't matched to the speed of the transmission, the synchros spin up to match them. It is hard to put into gear when this is the case. If the gears happen to line up during a shift or if the speeds are matched, it should "snick" right in.
No! Double clutching is a waste of time/effort for a car. It's not a tractor trailer. Double clutching is when you push clutch in to shift into neutral, then release clutch and push it back in and then put into next gear. It is for transmissions without synchro's. The WRX along with every other car has sychro's that match up gears for you. If the rpms is so very different as to not allow shifting and double clutch is needed, then you are shifting into wrong gear at wrong speeds.
If you are referring to 'speed shifting', then no clutch would be used in that case. Not many people can speed shift a car because the engine rpms vary rapidly. Up isn't so bad, but downshift is what gets everyone.

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yep. hated the wrx 6 speed.

swap in a v7 sti 6 speed
Agreed. I knew I hated the trans before I even left the parking lot but I still wanted to rule it completely out before buying a CVT. Haven't regretted it since.
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Old 02-07-2016, 05:17 PM   #10
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I'm noticing a lot of people with transmission issues opted for the short shifter option.
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Old 02-07-2016, 05:18 PM   #11
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Nothing ruins the experience of driving a manual transmission car than a poor shifting gearbox. The crappy Chineese made 6-speed forced me to get rid of my 2012 Mustang GT.
It is hardly a poor shifting gearbox, if that is what you are insinuating. Some prefer it to the ST (I do not) but I definitely prefer it to soft, long throw, wet noodle BMW and VAG shifters. Honda makes the best manuals by far, IMO. I like the WRX STI STS because how mechanical it feels and throws are short.

BTW, I LOVE the FST.
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Old 02-07-2016, 05:20 PM   #12
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I'm noticing a lot of people with transmission issues opted for the short shifter option.
Meh, it is better but I would go aftermarket if I had to do it again just to save some money.
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Old 02-07-2016, 05:52 PM   #13
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Old 02-07-2016, 06:14 PM   #14
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Meh, it is better but I would go aftermarket if I had to do it again just to save some money.
I didn't like the stock "long throw" shifter so I installed the Kartboy stuff. It's great now. Only permanent mod the car really needed.

The shifter crunches but other than the time I wasn't pushing the clutch fully, I've had no issue getting it in gear.

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yup Karboy for me with a heavier Anarchy motive atlas shift knob = EZ short throws. you get used to the crunchy feeling that comes and goes.

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Old 02-08-2016, 12:22 AM   #16
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I have experienced what you are describing since I bought my car new. Just a brief rundown of my car for your awareness. My REX is a 2015 base model WITHOUT the factory short throw. The car has 6400 miles and has not been abused, other than a few spirited drives on the canyon roads. Its a daily driver for me. In an attempt to make the gearbox feel like I think it should, I opted to buy a Kartboy "shifter" (plate on the side of the trans), very heavy stainless shift knob, Group N trans mount and the Whiteline poly bushings.

Sometimes, the 1-2 shift is "tight" and doesn't just snap into gear. On the rare occasion I do a rolling 2-1 upshift (stop and go traffic), 50% of the time I get a grind. I've found that double clutching the car like an old muscle car when shifting 2-1 helps, but sometimes I will still get a crunch. People on the interwebs will say that double clutching our cars is completely NOT needed, and while I want to agree, you can feel a distinct difference. Also, an old trick that helps is pulling it into second, then up into first. In regards to 1-2 being tight, or slow to go in, I found that when I switched to the Group N trans mount and poly bushings, it helped alot. The factory bushing are incredibly soft. So when driving and shifting in a spirited manner, the bushings just squish around when you go to shift. The new bushings gave each individual shift a more positive feel, like it had solid shift stop in each gate like an old Pro 5.0 shifter on a fox body Mustang. Those mods were nice and I recommend them, though you will experience a little increase in NVH. Another item that helped was the shift knob. It really helped the shifter ease into second gear, BUT, it feels a little slower to shift the trans overall. Thats just me shifting like a puss though. The Kartboy STS did not help the situation. Actually, it may have made it slightly worse. The plate changes the geometry of how the shift cable actuates the shifter arm in the trans. And the KB sts is not as heavily counterweighted as the factory piece. The shifter was much "notchier" with that shift plate. But the throws are nice and its a very nice quality piece. I think that the Boomba plate would be the way to go though, as they put so much counterweight on it.

My last effort in this matter will be to drain the factory fill and fill it with a high quality fluid or even a cocktail. Some will say "don't touch it", but Subarus have really ****ty factory fills dating way back, or so it would seem. I've seen first hand how changing trans fluid (on both autos and manuals) can really change how a trans feels and/or shifts. Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. I'm very curious whether or not Uncle Scotty's cocktail could work its magic in this transmission. Different trans, different synchronizer materials. (at least on the 1/2 syncros) I will probably do some research over the week and do a fluid change within a week or 2. I will report back my results here or a PM.

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The 2015/2016 WRX are known to have sloppy shifts (new or worn in). You should invest in a Shift stop and a new Shift Brass bushing. I think this will probably cost you no more than $100 (can't remember how much I paid for the shift stop but the brass bushing is about $25. Installation is DIY super easy although the brass bushing will require you lift your car up to get underneath. (No special tools required).

Both my stop shift and brass bushing are from Perrin and it makes a world of difference.
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After completed report back and see what you think.
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Old 02-08-2016, 09:09 AM   #18
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I notice the same thing with my 15. My main issue it how notchy it feels going from 1st to 2nd, but it doesnt happen every time. I plan to install the Kartboy shifter bushing when the weather warms up to see if that helps.
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Old 02-08-2016, 09:24 AM   #19
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Brand new gear oil makes the synchronizers in our transmissions work really well... but even 5k miles on the fluid can mean changes in viscosity, molecule breakdown & shearing.
^ this guy is right
I had the same annoyance with my new STI. On cold days it would actually grind slightly going into 2nd until it warmed up. This pissed me the hell off because my last car didn't start grinding in 2nd until 150k mileage when it was reasonable for the synchros to be worn out.
Long story short, I have 11k miles on it now and yesterday I changed the transmission fluid (despite people saying that is totally unnecessary at 11k miles) with Valvoline synthetic 75w-90 gear oil.
What a HUGE difference it made getting that break in oil the hell out of there. The shifting is significantly smoother now and it feels perfect. Before I would have described it just like you did, and 1st to 2nd was horrible for a new trans. Now it's smooth as butter going into 2nd.
The magnetic plug was covered in metal shavings, which means there was equally as many smaller shavings suspended in the oil, and the oil was already tinted brown. I don't know what went in at the factory, but my new oil was crystal clear.
Also, not that this has anything to do with the trans shift quality, but I did the rear differential also since it takes the same fluid and it was so f-ing filthy it almost looked like used motor oil. I actually couldn't believe it looked as bad as it did at 11k. I'm hoping it was only because it was new gears running in.
The magnetic plug on that too was covered in garbage.
Lots of people on here will tell you it is a waste of time to change trans fluid before "30,000 miles as per the manual."
My advice is Change that cruddy run in fluid either now, or give it another few thousand to fully run in and then get that crap out.
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No! Double clutching is a waste of time/effort for a car. It's not a tractor trailer. Double clutching is when you push clutch in to shift into neutral, then release clutch and push it back in and then put into next gear. It is for transmissions without synchro's. The WRX along with every other car has sychro's that match up gears for you. If the rpms is so very different as to not allow shifting and double clutch is needed, then you are shifting into wrong gear at wrong speeds.
If you are referring to 'speed shifting', then no clutch would be used in that case. Not many people can speed shift a car because the engine rpms vary rapidly. Up isn't so bad, but downshift is what gets everyone.

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Agreed. I knew I hated the trans before I even left the parking lot but I still wanted to rule it completely out before buying a CVT. Haven't regretted it since.
Double clutching is very useful, not sure why you're ranting against it... Wait, you drive a CVT, explains a lot (or did I read that wrong?)

Seriously though. Any car's transmission and synchros will be happier, will work more easily, will literally fall into gear with little to no effort, if you double-clutch and rev-match correctly. Correctly timed/rev'd, you are separately matching the speeds of the output shaft and the flywheel to that of the wheels.

It's a waste of gas, and harder on the engine. But, you can downshift without upsetting the balance of the car, at all. Or, if you don't racecar, you can drive a car with a roached synchro for much longer. Not relying on the synchros can prolong the life of a new transmission and/or clutch, too.

I had a 300k mile BD Legacy that nobody could get into 4th, going up or down. Learned to properly double clutch, and I had no trouble. My current car has 176k miles, and I replaced the clutch for the first time at 145k because the motor came out for HG's, the disc had lots of material left. I don't DC upshifts, but I always do on downshifts. When using the brakes as well, it's heel & toe. Start with basic rev-matching, and add one step every day, do it for a week or so and it all becomes second nature.
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I had a 300k mile BD Legacy that nobody could get into 4th, going up or down. Learned to properly double clutch, and I had no trouble. My current car has 176k miles, and I replaced the clutch for the first time at 145k because the motor came out for HG's, the disc had lots of material left. I don't DC upshifts, but I always do on downshifts. When using the brakes as well, it's heel & toe. Start with basic rev-matching, and add one step every day, do it for a week or so and it all becomes second nature.
You kinda had to learn how to do it and developed it as a habit. I don't double clutch unless I can't get it in gear. Had no issues in hundreds of thousands of miles of driving manuals...

300k miles. Do modern cars even last this long anymore? If my synchros break even at 200k miles on my WRX because I didn't DC my downshifts, I don't care.

Then again, I granny shift...
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I'm not saying everyone has to F&F their shifting, just that there can be some benefit to it.

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Not sure if it is what you're describing but for 1 and 2 for my '16, it is kinda hard to get into gear sometimes. It feels like theres some resistance like some kind of "door" that the shifter has to get into. It'll take some effort and more "strength" to get it into gear but I've miss-shifted several times because of this during hard driving.

I too have the factory STS. I found it to be hard to get into other gears (not just 1 and 2) when it was new as well but I'm at about 2800 miles now and it seems to be broken in and now only 1-2 has some issues.
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Not sure if it is what you're describing but for 1 and 2 for my '16, it is kinda hard to get into gear sometimes. It feels like theres some resistance like some kind of "door" that the shifter has to get into.
That 'door' is the round pegs on the dog tooth gears trying to fit into the round holes on the real gears.
When you hear a trans grind, it's them.

And double clutching on a modern car???
seriously, people do that in order to be easier on synchros????
that's what synchros are for.

Maybe you should get a retractable parachute too in order to save the brakes.
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It is hardly a poor shifting gearbox, if that is what you are insinuating. Some prefer it to the ST (I do not) but I definitely prefer it to soft, long throw, wet noodle BMW and VAG shifters. Honda makes the best manuals by far, IMO. I like the WRX STI STS because how mechanical it feels and throws are short.

BTW, I LOVE the FST.
I have the FRPP shifter on my FST and it's very nice. I really liked my 2013 STI with the Kartboy SS. The STI 6-speed had more of a positive mechanical feel while the FST is more buttery smooth but has that rubbery feel that Ford 6-speeds seem to have.
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