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Old 04-21-2020, 05:17 PM   #26
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I’m not sure that ever increasing loan lengths and the huge majority of people living paycheck to paycheck is sustainable - as we’re now seeing.
Oh, I totally agree, but automakers aren't saying "Be reasonable, Karen, you don't need an Excursion to take your kid to soccer practice." They want to sell you the most car you can (barely) afford, whatever that may be. Equal blame on consumers trying to finance more car than they need or can truly "afford." My point was these OEMs make much more economical cars but the market of more has spoken.

Both sides are taking a big bite of a **** sandwich.
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Oh, I totally agree, but automakers aren't saying "Be reasonable, Karen, you don't need an Excursion to take your kid to soccer practice." They want to sell you the most car you can (barely) afford, whatever that may be. Equal blame on consumers trying to finance more car than they need or can truly "afford." My point was these OEMs make much more economical cars but the market of more has spoken.

Both sides are taking a big bite of a **** sandwich.
For sure. Weíre heading to a sub prime car loan collapse I think. More people buying more and more expensive cars on longer notes, and rolling ever more negative equity over.

What could possibly go wrong?
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Old 04-21-2020, 06:08 PM   #28
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This seems like it was bound to happen eventually. The amount of people driving $60K+ cars around town is pretty high and you know that a good chunk of those people are probably driving way more car than they can afford.
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REPO man will be very busy if they can't kick start the economy and get paychecks in hands. Real estate will go next and think Canada will be start signal.
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Old 04-22-2020, 09:16 AM   #31
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I have a login in for manheim auctions and can attest, prices on used vehicles are correcting down. There are a metric **** ton of leases that have been flooding out for a few years now, it will get ugly.

People can’t blame the auto’s solely, materials to manufacture vehicles have gone up to same with wages. Margins (exception of trucks) are relatively thin. Trucks are actually relatively inexpensive.
A 4x4 XLT with 302a, tow package, etc etc can be had for $40k. A truck is a pretty versatile vehicle. Hell, last week I loaded an aerator, large pressure, leaf blower and some other crap into it from Home Depot. Week before that was some new tables.

I’m looking at a new F-150 now since mine is only 4x2 (only paid $32k for a loaded XLT minus 4 wheel). A loaded XLT with 4x4 3.5lt eco boost for $40k or a lariat loaded for $53k.
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Stretching out car loans is inevitable. There is a decades/centuries long term trend (Schmezling, "Eight Centuries of Global Interest rates," Bank of England, 2020. Google it) towards low interest rates around the world.

Cheap money makes long loans cheap. That's why 30 year mortages are rarely paid off and basically rolled over/refinanced again and again by a large % of people in the US. It's why people get 3 year financing on cell phones. Long term loans are basically financial engineering to increase everyone's standard of living, for better or worse. It's really only possible with modern financial systems.

Meanwhile, cars do last a long time now. They may have electronics issues, but if you drive 15k miles a year and you can get to 150k miles before the engine/trans die, then a 6 or 7 year loan can be stomached. It might get you upside down financially, but if you actually hold on to the vehicle (which most people don't) you will probably get your 7 years of use out of it.
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I have a login in for manheim auctions and can attest, prices on used vehicles are correcting down. There are a metric **** ton of leases that have been flooding out for a few years now, it will get ugly.
This is what I'm waiting for, for them to actually hit dealers and not gouge the buyers.

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Stretching out car loans is inevitable. There is a decades/centuries long term trend (Schmezling, "Eight Centuries of Global Interest rates," Bank of England, 2020. Google it) towards low interest rates around the world.

Cheap money makes long loans cheap. That's why 30 year mortages are rarely paid off and basically rolled over/refinanced again and again by a large % of people in the US. It's why people get 3 year financing on cell phones. Long term loans are basically financial engineering to increase everyone's standard of living, for better or worse. It's really only possible with modern financial systems.

Meanwhile, cars do last a long time now. They may have electronics issues, but if you drive 15k miles a year and you can get to 150k miles before the engine/trans die, then a 6 or 7 year loan can be stomached. It might get you upside down financially, but if you actually hold on to the vehicle (which most people don't) you will probably get your 7 years of use out of it.
I agree with some of what you're saying and not on a few things.

Lets discuss primarily financing of phones and vehicles. Phones almost always have a 0% interest rate when financed assuming you have a credit score above what, 500 (sadly pathetic)? If you can get a phone for 0% interest rate, why pay out of pocket when you can be using that money towards investments, savings etc?

Similarly on a vehicle. Right now there are 0% loans for 72 and 84 months (hell, subaru has been doing 0% for 5 years on outbacks for a while). You'd be a fool to pay cash on a 0% loan even if you could afford too.

Anytime there is 0% loans, take it.

That said, people who keep rolling over negative equity on cars and extending loans to 7-8 years with 5% interest rate need to be taken out back and beaten with a pool noodle for a solid 2-3 minutes while being yelled at "shame."

What really yanks my chain are people who ask for loans, take on debt, and then get pissed off at the world when they go bankrupt and blame everyone but themselves. People should have a minimum of 6 months living expenses in savings. I see old friends on social media complaining about living pay check to pay check while owning an STi, out drinking, going to music festivals that cost through the nose, etc. People need to sack the **** up and look inward and make sacrifices. Hell, last year was the first time in 5 years that I took a vacation (hotel was free) and spent money on myself for something enjoyable (BMW M2). I would say I make a pretty "healthy" living and I don't spend nearly the same monthly amount as others making 1/5 - 1/6 of what I do.


Financial literacy is something Americans seriously lack.
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Oh, I totally agree, but automakers aren't saying "Be reasonable, Karen, you don't need an Excursion to take your kid to soccer practice." They want to sell you the most car you can (barely) afford, whatever that may be. Equal blame on consumers trying to finance more car than they need or can truly "afford." My point was these OEMs make much more economical cars but the market of more has spoken.

Both sides are taking a big bite of a **** sandwich.

They keep making everything larger to fit more of their crap. And they keep throwing more "tech" at each vehicle. All that equates to is more and more MSRP. It's been out of hand for quite some time. How many people can truly afford an Excursion, Escalade, full size domestic truck with all the bells and whistles?



The bigger problem is image. Image is why most of these vehicles are sold. So in other words people being fake. Their out of control spending, from 84 month loans to being upside down on their vehicle with $600-800 a month payments is all image based and screws everyone there is when they can't pay. In other words much of the American buying public are twits.
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In other words much of the American buying public are twits.
Because the country runs on rampant consumerism and perpetual, unsustainable growth. Teaching people to save, not spend, is counter-productive to that end. Can't afford the latest phone/car/shiny toy? We have a payment plan for you!

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I agree with some of what you're saying and not on a few things.

Lets discuss primarily financing of phones and vehicles. Phones almost always have a 0% interest rate when financed assuming you have a credit score above what, 500 (sadly pathetic)? If you can get a phone for 0% interest rate, why pay out of pocket when you can be using that money towards investments, savings etc?

Similarly on a vehicle. Right now there are 0% loans for 72 and 84 months (hell, subaru has been doing 0% for 5 years on outbacks for a while). You'd be a fool to pay cash on a 0% loan even if you could afford too.

Anytime there is 0% loans, take it.

That said, people who keep rolling over negative equity on cars and extending loans to 7-8 years with 5% interest rate need to be taken out back and beaten with a pool noodle for a solid 2-3 minutes while being yelled at "shame."

What really yanks my chain are people who ask for loans, take on debt, and then get pissed off at the world when they go bankrupt and blame everyone but themselves. People should have a minimum of 6 months living expenses in savings. I see old friends on social media complaining about living pay check to pay check while owning an STi, out drinking, going to music festivals that cost through the nose, etc. People need to sack the **** up and look inward and make sacrifices. Hell, last year was the first time in 5 years that I took a vacation (hotel was free) and spent money on myself for something enjoyable (BMW M2). I would say I make a pretty "healthy" living and I don't spend nearly the same monthly amount as others making 1/5 - 1/6 of what I do.


Financial literacy is something Americans seriously lack.
This is why I've been seriously considering trading my truck in cause 0% for 72 months is such a good deal. I could get a brand new truck for nearly what I'm paying on mine now, and it would get better gas mileage and I've never had a brand new vehicle.

but my truck will be paid off in 3 years and I am going to buy a z06 when that happens.
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There is very little incentive to be responsible. There are many excuses for what is just bad behavior. That said, what seems responsible to you is based in your values. Different values yield different responsibilities. When you can blame others for the out come of your decisions, why change.

You need to look at the bankers and politicians. Money and votes at all costs.

Yet, I blame society for my faults....

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This is why I've been seriously considering trading my truck in cause 0% for 72 months is such a good deal. I could get a brand new truck for nearly what I'm paying on mine now, and it would get better gas mileage and I've never had a brand new vehicle.

but my truck will be paid off in 3 years and I am going to buy a z06 when that happens.
0% for 82 months, first 3 months get paid, next 3 months are deferred.

Like I said, the only reason I am trading in my current F-150 is because it's 2wd. Bought it when I was in San Diego and didn't think id ever move back to where it snows. Ive done fairly well the last 2 years in the snow but it's still not fun.
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I just can't wrap my head around a 7 year loan for a personal vehicle. If someone is on a limited income and "needs" a reliable/safe vehicle I could see an argument for a loan term in line with the factory powertrain warranty (or their planned ownership term, whichever is shorter); but my brain immediately goes to the used market and/or aggressive negotiations with the dealership.
I can't fathom a job/career where a person who is on a limited income needs an expensive vehicle (anything more than a compact hatch/sedan).
However, I don't want to dictate what others "need" in a vehicle, I know what I need in a vehicle, and I know what I want in a vehicle and I stay within my means; it's the want portion that gets dangerous for most.

I'd only consider a new truck at a steep discount though; Mother F*****s are expensive. I started an attempt at configuring an F-150 on Fords website, every time I make a change it F***s the components I care about (4dr, 4x4, V8, E-lockers in ANY GOTDAMN RATIO, payload package, black interior) so I gave up out of frustration somewhere around the $50k mark on an XLT; would be great if you could get an XLT with climate control, but you can't because "reasons" you have to get the lariat trim. I then configured a Lariat F150 and was at 62k, and stuck with a bunch of BS I don't want; literally 12k for automatic climate control.

Note: Automatic climate control is just a thing I want in a new vehicle now, I've had it for over 14 years, I'm not going back to manual climate control in a new vehicle; it's f****** standard on a corolla for crying out loud.

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This is why I've been seriously considering trading my truck in cause 0% for 72 months is such a good deal. I could get a brand new truck for nearly what I'm paying on mine now, and it would get better gas mileage and I've never had a brand new vehicle.

but my truck will be paid off in 3 years and I am going to buy a z06 when that happens.
Isn't what they give you on a trade-in a huge component of this mathematical equation that everyone seems to be overlooking?
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Anytime there is 0% loans, take it.
Advice from the rich, improperly used by the poor.

When you can afford an item, 0% interest is great. But when someone needs financing (or financing beyond a reasonable term) to be able to afford it, the 0% number is misleading and dangerous.

Nobody should need financing on a smart phone. If you don't have the cash, you can't afford it. If you can't pay off a car in a reasonable term (3 yrs ideal, I'd flex to 5 for a family car), you can't afford it. Doesn't matter what % interest, it's still beyond ones means.
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Rather have more manufacturer cash on the hood since its either or than 0% since you can always refinance later down the road.
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I just can't wrap my head around a 7 year loan for a personal vehicle. If someone is on a limited income and "needs" a reliable/safe vehicle I could see an argument for a loan term in line with the factory powertrain warranty (or their planned ownership term, whichever is shorter); but my brain immediately goes to the used market and/or aggressive negotiations with the dealership.
I can't fathom a job/career where a person who is on a limited income needs an expensive vehicle (anything more than a compact hatch/sedan).
However, I don't want to dictate what others "need" in a vehicle, I know what I need in a vehicle, and I know what I want in a vehicle and I stay within my means; it's the want portion that gets dangerous for most.

I'd only consider a new truck at a steep discount though; Mother F*****s are expensive. I started an attempt at configuring an F-150 on Fords website, every time I make a change it F***s the components I care about (4dr, 4x4, V8, E-lockers in ANY GOTDAMN RATIO, payload package, black interior) so I gave up out of frustration somewhere around the $50k mark on an XLT; would be great if you could get an XLT with climate control, but you can't because "reasons" you have to get the lariat trim. I then configured a Lariat F150 and was at 62k, and stuck with a bunch of BS I don't want; literally 12k for automatic climate control.

Note: Automatic climate control is just a thing I want in a new vehicle now, I've had it for over 14 years, I'm not going back to manual climate control in a new vehicle; it's f****** standard on a corolla for crying out loud.
I bought a SH-AWD truck that is loaded sans nav and ghey driving nannies. It has tri-zone climate control, moonroof, rear sliding glass (electric), heated seats, leather seats. In-bed trunk, best pavement handling truck on the market in any weather condition (unibody+ torque vectoring AWD system), safer in a collision, and it was 33.5k. Peppy motor, decent fuel economy, decent payload, adequate towing. In the twisties I’d leave that g damn F150 for dead. Peragon Tonneau, full audio system with Pioneer HU running wireless CarPlay/AA, 5 channel amp, speakers, sub, alarm I run from my phone and can monitor the vehicle from anywhere in the world with a cellular signal. Enkeis. With tax, interest, registration, doc fees, still ain’t at 40k all in. 0% on them hos right now I think. Wish I would have got that but time was running out. All 2020’s have standard ADAS. So still a solid option right now if you don’t mind Hal9000. Hello Dave, maybe you’d like a stress pill?
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I bought a SH-AWD truck that is loaded sans nav and ghey driving nannies. It has tri-zone climate control, moonroof, rear sliding glass (electric), heated seats, leather seats. In-bed trunk, best pavement handling truck on the market in any weather condition (unibody+ torque vectoring AWD system), safer in a collision, and it was 33.5k. Peppy motor, decent fuel economy, decent payload, adequate towing. In the twisties Iíd leave that g damn F150 for dead. Peragon Tonneau, full audio system with Pioneer HU running wireless CarPlay/AA, 5 channel amp, speakers, sub, alarm I run from my phone and can monitor the vehicle from anywhere in the world with a cellular signal. Enkeis. With tax, interest, registration, doc fees, still ainít at 40k all in. 0% on them hos right now I think. Wish I would have got that but time was running out. All 2020ís have standard ADAS. So still a solid option right now if you donít mind Hal9000. Hello Dave, maybe youíd like a stress pill?
Ridgeline didn't work for me; it required too much control be given up to Hal (specifically gear selection), and there is no headache rack available from Honda or anyone else for that matter, there are many more reasons as well; the under-bed trunk was at the expense of shallow bed walls; I'd take taller bed walls over a trunk so I can do truck stuff; Payload is my biggest want in a truck, that's what I use them for, putting stuff in the bed (wood, gravel, sand, mulch etc.). Towing is secondary, the 5,000lbs is probably enough for me, but there are times where I'd be right up to that limit (because cars are freaking heavy now). Have you swapped out your shift knob cover/trim? That rubbery touch point skeeved me out on the test drive. Having the "best handling truck" is like having the "sedan with the most ground clearance" - it doesn't matter to me; I'm not going off-roading in my sedan, and I'm not trying to carve corners in my truck; as long as I can drive my car down a gravel road or my wife can drive the truck down windy backroads at 10 over the speed limit without worrying about losing control it's fine.
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My 2011 Silverado is starting to rust through on the rear quarters. Itís sad since I bought it used a few years ago and it looked great. Since itís almost paid for, I wonít be buying a new truck anytime soon, even if the deals are awesome. I drive my stuff into the ground and this one runs/drives great with 89k on the clock.
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Not all the manufactures will be here in 3 years. Some will go and some will merge. Gentlemen and ladies Place your bets. Who will hold and who will fold. Methinks Ford will merge< Alfa Romeo will go and the Peugeot PSA will fold and never come to USA,
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it's the monthly payment perspective. When people see a 4 year loan for a used 40k mile car being the same amount per month, possibly with higher interest rate, vs a 7 year loan on a brand new and bigger vehicle, it's pretty tempting to get the new vehicle.
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Ridgeline didn't work for me; it required too much control be given up to Hal (specifically gear selection), and there is no headache rack available from Honda or anyone else for that matter, there are many more reasons as well; the under-bed trunk was at the expense of shallow bed walls; I'd take taller bed walls over a trunk so I can do truck stuff; Payload is my biggest want in a truck, that's what I use them for, putting stuff in the bed (wood, gravel, sand, mulch etc.). Towing is secondary, the 5,000lbs is probably enough for me, but there are times where I'd be right up to that limit (because cars are freaking heavy now). Have you swapped out your shift knob cover/trim? That rubbery touch point skeeved me out on the test drive. Having the "best handling truck" is like having the "sedan with the most ground clearance" - it doesn't matter to me; I'm not going off-roading in my sedan, and I'm not trying to carve corners in my truck; as long as I can drive my car down a gravel road or my wife can drive the truck down windy backroads at 10 over the speed limit without worrying about losing control it's fine.

I actually put mulch in the bed yesterday. 30 bags in the bed, and 12 more in the rear cab thanks to the rear Magic seats. I had also been the grocery store and pool store prior to picking up my mulch. So I had a few bags of groceries in the passenger seat and footwell. My calcium hardness 30 lb bucket, muriatic acid, and a few other things went into that in-bed trunk you don't like. But bed walls were not a problem for 30 bags of hardwood mulch.
I tested putting in my R1 in the bed, no prob. Payload is like 1500 pounds and some change. And the damn bed is already coated from the factory.



Shift knob trim? Mine is a 2019, 6spd, and I find the transmission to be excellent. The shift points are programmed ideally. If you are talking about the shifter itself, wow, I'm not touching it except selecting R, D, and P. I do wish it was a manual but fat chance on that. No Hal9000 on mine, f that s. No ADAS.



The handling is something that is important to me. Body on frames handle like doo-doo. Yeah I'm not worried about taking it to the twisties where I take my bikes and cars, but I still want good handling, especially for road trips. I can take overpasses, or underpasses with authority. Damn thing handles incredibly for what it is. 20 or 30 over on a twisty road can be done easily. And that's what I loathe about full size trucks, they just handle like ****ing ****.


Different strokes. For 33k, I stole the mf'er. Full size, the room they would take up on my property (driveway), parking it in tight places, the handling, and most importantly the cost, is a big nut bust to me.
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I actually put mulch in the bed yesterday. 30 bags in the bed, and 12 more in the rear cab thanks to the rear Magic seats. I had also been the grocery store and pool store prior to picking up my mulch. So I had a few bags of groceries in the passenger seat and footwell. My calcium hardness 30 lb bucket, muriatic acid, and a few other things went into that in-bed trunk you don't like. But bed walls were not a problem for 30 bags of hardwood mulch.
I tested putting in my R1 in the bed, no prob. Payload is like 1500 pounds and some change. And the damn bed is already coated from the factory.

Shift knob trim? Mine is a 2019, 6spd, and I find the transmission to be excellent. The shift points are programmed ideally. If you are talking about the shifter itself, wow, I'm not touching it except selecting R, D, and P. I do wish it was a manual but fat chance on that. No Hal9000 on mine, f that s. No ADAS.

The handling is something that is important to me. Body on frames handle like doo-doo. Yeah I'm not worried about taking it to the twisties where I take my bikes and cars, but I still want good handling, especially for road trips. I can take overpasses, or underpasses with authority. Damn thing handles incredibly for what it is. 20 or 30 over on a twisty road can be done easily. And that's what I loathe about full size trucks, they just handle like ****ing ****.

Different strokes. For 33k, I stole the mf'er. Full size, the room they would take up on my property (driveway), parking it in tight places, the handling, and most importantly the cost, is a big nut bust to me.
Different strokes indeed

The part of the shifter you have to touch; it's some rubberized plastic that feels disgusting. At the time (like 4 months ago), Honda didn't offer anything else (leather or synthetic leather) and neither did the aftermarket; it was the icing on the Ridgeline transmission cake - I rest my hand on center console shifters, habit from driving 3-pedals for the majority of my life, even if I didn't rest it (which I would recoil when I did during the test drive), I just get skeeved out by the feel of that material; it's similar to the rubberized steering wheels on low end econoboxes - I can't stand touching them.

My main gripe was the only options are "P R D L" I wanted gear selection so I can hold gears when I need to (incline/decline on loose surfaces for example). I think the 2020's went to push button, so it's even worse "P R D" is all you get there. I'm not saying the ABS system will fail, but riding your brakes with a load in the bed on a grade is a good way to eat pads and rotors.
AWD system is "you get what Honda believes is right" with no real driver control.
I don't want "terrain drive modes" I want control.
You can't turn off traction control all the way without going through some god awful procedure at every startup (the button just reduces the intervention).

Just not the truck for me, the above driveline/transmission garbage are my Hal issues, call it Hal8000; Hal9000 is in the 2020's with ADAS.... dear lord.

I don't hate the in bed trunk, I hate the affect it has on the bed dimensions, and would prefer it wasn't there for a more usable bed in my situation - I do like the idea of it, just not the execution.
wood (log rounds, lengths, etc.), loose/bulk mulch, not bags, gravel/stone etc. would be loose/bulk as well; my intended use is different than yours.

The Ridgeline has a comparable payload capacity to other mid-size trucks, just an odd bed for my use where dimensions and volume are also important as payload.

Size doesn't matter as much to me, I live in a rural area and the parking garage at my office is truck friendly, not exactly bro-dozer friendly, but truck friendly; there are 1-tons that have no issue parking there.
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