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Old 05-09-2023, 04:45 AM   #1
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Default VW ID.7: Sedan And WAGON?!?

Volkswagen ID.7 electric wagon spied testing for the first time
The ID.7 sedan will be getting a friend soon enough
https://www.autoblog.com/2023/05/08/...ts-first-look/

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The Volkswagen ID.7 is officially here in sedan form, but what about a wagon? Thatís exactly the vehicle that weíre looking at right here in spy photos, and itís the first time weíve seen the ID.7 in this body shape.

This wagon mimics the concept car that VW revealed at the L.A. Auto Show back in 2020. That concept was called the Space Vizzion, and while VW confirmed a production version for Europe back then, there was no word on its fate in the U.S. Of course, VW has a history of selling wagons on this side of the ocean. It also revealed the concept in the U.S. instead of Europe, so the modelís fate here is still very much an open question.

There arenít any big surprises in the camouflaged car itself, as it largely looks like a wagon version of the ID.7 sedan. A similar design language as the ID.7 can be seen both in front and back, but instead of the sloping sportback shape of the sedan, this model fully commits to the wagon silhouette. This particular testerís rear wheels are identical to what we saw on the ID.7 reveal car, and the same can be said for the door handles, too.

If VW decides to bless us with the wagon version of the ID.7, we suspect it will share many of the same specs and similar interior design as the sedan. VW says itís targeting an EPA-rated range of over 300 miles with the sedan, but final specs arenít out yet. The wagon would likely knock a few miles off the sedan on account of its less slippery shape. There could also be rear-drive and all-wheel-drive models available, with the fastest version getting to 60 mph in the low-5-second range.

Again, all of this could very well be for naught, as VW could continue with its strategy of keeping its full-size wagons away from America like itís done for the Passat as of late. That said, thereís still a chance that this electric wagon wonít be forbidden fruit forever, so weíll follow along with its development.
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Old 05-09-2023, 12:27 PM   #2
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VW has been pulling back the number of wagons over the past decade or whatever, so kinda doubt we'll see that here.
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Old 05-09-2023, 12:41 PM   #5
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Wagons are making a comeback in EVs because of their better efficiency.. but make no mistake.. they'll be classified and sold as SUVs in the USA because of CAFE. Just look at the EV6/Ioniq 5.. they're clearly hatches or wagons, but you'll pay extra insurance and registration costs (in certain states) because they're classified as SUVs with the EPA.
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Wagons are making a comeback in EVs because of their better efficiency.. but make no mistake.. they'll be classified and sold as SUVs in the USA because of CAFE. Just look at the EV6/Ioniq 5.. they're clearly hatches or wagons, but you'll pay extra insurance and registration costs (in certain states) because they're classified as SUVs with the EPA.
Ioniq5 & EV6 are not hatchbacks, they are CUVs with all of the CUV design intent: upright seating position, more frontal area, taller body panels, larger overall wheel/tire diameter etc.

Similarly, the Model Y is not just a "lifted hatchback Model 3" it's a CUV based on the Model 3s underpinnings, but clearly a CUV.

If you lower any of those (Ioniq5, EV6, Model Y) you do not get a hatchback, you get a lowered CUV.

There are examples of lifted hatchbacks and wagons - Subaru "outbacked" the impreza & Legacy in the 90's & 00's, also the crosstrek which is just a lifted impreza hatch, VAG "All-Road" & "Alltrak" versions of their vehicles etc. where they lift it & add contrasting paint or unpainted cladding to give it a more butch/rugged appearance.

IF the ID.7 comes over as a wagon (not a lifted & cladded Alltrak) I'll give it serious consideration, I miss having a wagon, I do not want a CUV or a lifted wagon I'd have to lower out of the box; however, not holding my breath, the majority of the US hates wagons & hatchbacks.
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IF the ID.7 comes over as a wagon (not a lifted & cladded Alltrak) I'll give it serious consideration, I miss having a wagon, I do not want a CUV or a lifted wagon I'd have to lower out of the box; however, not holding my breath, the majority of the US hates wagons & hatchbacks.
I would very likely trade in my Leaf for a wagon ID7. I got the leaf as a holdover to a time with better EV options. I just really wanted to get rid of our Outback while its resale value was insane, as well as cash in on the 7500 tax credit. I've been dreaming of an ID3R but VW doesn't seem to be in a rush.

At a time when sedans are dying though, it could be a good time to reintroduce a modern wagon. If it can come in at a price discount to a CUV but still offer similar space, some consumers might just go for it. I'd go for it because of the better driving dynamics.
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