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11-21-2020, 07:00 PM | #326 | |
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If that doesn’t happen to you it’s because you drive like a grandma.
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11-21-2020, 07:53 PM | #327 |
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No, I know how to use my signal lights. Maybe you need a driver's refresher course?
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11-21-2020, 10:05 PM | #328 | |
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So, my first impression is F THAT at this point in my life, lol. Ill wrench bolt-ons all day on factory FI cars, but that was a very good high-level reminder of why I really dont want to even go there on a BRZ at this point. I remember looking into it like 6-7 years ago. It is pretty much what I needed to see. |
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11-21-2020, 10:58 PM | #329 | |
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Thought that was an interesting to know, while im rather pleased with the 18" wheels that come on the limited (huge improvement over the current gen imo) id be even more interest to see what Subaru adds to a PP. Probably just be brembos and BBS wheels, but id hope it was more extensive, like the club trim on the miatas |
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11-22-2020, 01:30 AM | #330 | |
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The Miata club adds LSD and Recaros on top of the Brembos, BBS, and suspension tuning, IIRC. BRZ has LSD standard and the standard seats are great. |
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11-22-2020, 08:10 AM | #331 | |
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Zak - You're good, I know what you meant and I agree that sometimes it's just best not to have forced intervention. I like my STI too for it's old school pureness. |
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11-22-2020, 09:03 AM | #332 | |
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$10k for 280whp. Yikes. The car would probably turn better lap times if I put that $10k toward suspension tuning and driver instruction. |
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11-22-2020, 12:51 PM | #333 |
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FI on the previous gen FA isn't worth it. There's a lot of horror stories. Bolt-ons and a tune (~190whp) on the previous generation fixed all my complaints on my '13 and made it a reliable track car. It fixed the torque dip and felt a solid bit quicker. Spend the rest of the money on tires/suspension and track days. This new version looks to have addressed alot of the previous gen's issues.
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11-22-2020, 05:09 PM | #334 | |
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11-23-2020, 06:38 AM | #335 | ||
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https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-ne...-ar190327.html They could of made Two models. Non Turbo other Turbo. They could spread out costs with Toyota. There is other choices to Turbo Set Up. super charger maybe. How about a dealer installed package for people who don't care about weight, center gravity. Well, it comes down down to profits. I think a lot Manufactures are having tough time going forward. Environment, Pandemic, economy, every day is new report contradicting the prior report. This article from autonews, Sub required Quote:
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11-23-2020, 09:36 AM | #336 | |
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11-23-2020, 09:40 AM | #337 |
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Aftermarket forced induction is going to be tough with the higher 13.5:1 compression ratio. It will require E85 or race fuel to safely add meaningful boost.
The naturally aspirated engine should respond well to bolt-ons and E85. We'll likely see well tuned versions in the 220-240 whp range depending on the dyno. Gains of ~30 whp +/- was common with the FA20D with full bolt-ons, E85 and tune. We might see a bit more from the FA24D with its increased displacement and higher compression ratio. I suspect it will get a power bump or two throughout its life cycle. For the ~20% increase in displacement and higher compression ratio, Subaru is only claiming a ~12% gain in horsepower, but an ~18% bump in torque. Last edited by WRXnick16; 11-23-2020 at 09:52 AM. |
11-23-2020, 01:01 PM | #338 | |
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It's a pretty good extensive lineup of performance cars where coupes / sports cars just don't sell outside of pony cars. |
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11-23-2020, 01:05 PM | #339 | |
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11-23-2020, 01:16 PM | #340 |
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If they'd made a turbo option, it would cost $36-38k and all we'd hear about it how the PP Ecoboost Mustang, base Mustang GT, Camaro, TypeR or Supra is more car for the money. Plus, they'd probably have had to upgrade a lot of components throughout the drivetrain.
If they'd made it turbo only, it still would probably be $35k base and would still get compared with other cars. I think $30k is the sweet spot where even someone like me, who leans more towards the Mustang option, is willing to give the BRZ a look, due to the sharper reflexes and lighter feel. If that were taken away, due to the trade-offs needed to make the car turbocharged, I'd probably just get the Mustang. TLDR: I think Subaru did the right thing with this gen. 2 BRZ, keeping it non-turbo. In addition, I think the fenders will look good in person and I think the tail lights look sharp. |
11-23-2020, 01:35 PM | #341 |
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I don't buy the addition of a turbo forcing the price up to $35-$40k.
The base AWD WRX is $27k. That's a turbo and all the cost of AWD, yeah shared components, economies of scale blah blah. |
11-23-2020, 01:57 PM | #342 |
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How they turbo when engine is already sitting on the ground and firewall y0.
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11-23-2020, 01:59 PM | #343 |
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WRX is amortized by Impreza, Crosstrek, and Forester. BRZ is its own unique thing and has to pay back its development with far less volume.
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11-23-2020, 01:59 PM | #344 |
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That's fair. Counterpoint would be, then why does the BRZ currently cost more than the base WRX?
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11-23-2020, 02:33 PM | #345 | |
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Aside from that, the BRZ is a lower production car. The WRX sold about 10x what the BRZ has sold (using 2019 numbers). Additionally, the VA being a derivative platform of the GR, helps lower parts and manufacturing costs a bit. |
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11-23-2020, 02:45 PM | #346 |
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If it were that easy to just slap a turbo on it and give "people what they want" then it would've been done already.
How many sub-$30k, sub-3k lbs, RWD, turbo, Japanese sport coupes have ever been made? Legit question as I'm not well-versed in such things. |
11-23-2020, 03:11 PM | #347 |
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I'd buy a skunk RWD WRX from Subaru. Make it.
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11-23-2020, 03:21 PM | #348 | |
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On topic: Do we have any info on if they added eccentric bolts/camber adjustment at all? |
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11-23-2020, 03:34 PM | #349 | |
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11-23-2020, 04:33 PM | #350 |
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90s Turbo MR2 MSRPd for mid 20s.
FB turbo RX7s were 15-20k. FC turbo RX7s were 20-27k. Late 80s 300zx turbo was 26k. |
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