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Old 03-12-2019, 06:43 PM   #26
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Ok. Big, burly and tough I would never associate with being effeminate. But it's ok if you do. My point being is that what does it matter if a person wants a vehicle to be masculine.........or feminine?
Wat?


Arguing against things you made up, again?
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:13 PM   #27
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I'm assuming the Palisade will cost a few grand more so I'm interested in what will be different.
I guess you won't find out... Telluride.

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Old 03-13-2019, 10:35 AM   #28
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Wat?


Arguing against things you made up, again?
I have zero idea wtf youre talking about. Every thing I said is an opinion based off of one svelte dancer that felt someone's desire to have a "masculine" vehicle is wrong in some way.

The response to you was opinion based, there is nothing to make up. You realize we don't have to agree to have a civil convo, right? I think I pretty much demonstrated that in the post you quoted.

But you be you
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Old 03-13-2019, 01:28 PM   #29
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What in the **** are you even on about?

We're done, back to ignore with you.
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:07 PM   #30
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What in the **** are you even on about?

We're done, back to ignore with you.
Not to squeeze in here too much but I’ve read and reread what he has said in this thread and I’m not sure where you’re getting so bothered. I think a great example of what’s being stated is what Honda has done with the Ridgeline and Pilot. Some people have taken issue with the more sleek styling and don’t care for it compared with the boxiness of the previous gen. Call it less masculine if you will, but that’s the sense of what Honda did to them. Many people have made this claim. Including the media. Or perhaps I completely missed the point.
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:14 PM   #31
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I have no clue what he's even on about.

I pointed out it can still be big burly etc.... while not being masculine with a few small tweaks.

He went on his usual personal attacks and arguing against points never made.


I'm equally as confused, but it's not his first time on my ignore list, but it is the last time he gets removed from it.
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:23 PM   #32
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Ah. Yeah I think he was just generally responding to the masculine feminine preference statements more than anything else and saying whatever someone likes and how they like it is cool either way. Anyone can assign their own feelings of what constitutes masculine and feminine etc. when applying it to the same vehicle.
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Old 03-13-2019, 04:07 PM   #33
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Just read through the posts and I don’t see where he went on personal attacks. You two are just having some rather ridiculous discussion on “masculinity” of a truck and I think you might be taking him out of context.
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I have no clue what he's even on about.

I pointed out it can still be big burly etc.... while not being masculine with a few small tweaks.

He went on his usual personal attacks and arguing against points never made.


I'm equally as confused, but it's not his first time on my ignore list, but it is the last time he gets removed from it.
I'm not even sure why I'm on your ignore list.....I rarely converse with you.

Ive never personally attacked you.....or anyone for that matter. I think you have me confused with someone else. You should re-read what I typed from the get-go

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Ah. Yeah I think he was just generally responding to the masculine feminine preference statements more than anything else and saying whatever someone likes and how they like it is cool either way. Anyone can assign their own feelings of what constitutes masculine and feminine etc. when applying it to the same vehicle.

See Honda this man gets it. That's all I was saying.
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This thread could use some Doug DeMuro:


...or maybe not.
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My MIL just got an EX trim so I'll have to try it out this weekend.
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I don’t think the interior looks to bad. Guess price point determines that. Saw first commercial last night. That’s no bull lol..Compares it to a bull,Showing it rough and tough in the mud then they state how it has locking diff with torque vectoring. Let’s see..here it is..

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Being an AWD product supplier I looked into this. From what I can find it is neither a locking differential nor torque vectoring by hardware. It is an open differential with an active coupling that hangs off the front of the rear drive module. Magna's Dynamax system. There is nothing special about it. The lock mode likely does nothing more than tell the software / ECU not to go into a fuel economy mode and disable the rear drive module. We do the same thing for FCA with the Jeep Renegade and Compass Trailhawk. Lock mode prevents the AWD system from going into 2WD mode. It reduces fuel economy, but does provide a little faster system response to slip on low mu surfaces like sand, gravel, snow, ice, or wet grass. It will not physically lock the axle like a locking differential in a truck.

As for torque vectoring, that has to be brake-based. An open differential can't provide torque vectoring. Magna has a different drive module for that, and I think it's outside the pricing window of a Kia. This torque vectoring corner control has to be minor tugging of the brake on the inside wheel to help initiate a turn, much like nearly everyone else does these days as it's become an almost universal feature from brake control suppliers.
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Being an AWD product supplier I looked into this. From what I can find it is neither a locking differential nor torque vectoring by hardware. It is an open differential with an active coupling that hangs off the front of the rear drive module. Magna's Dynamax system. There is nothing special about it. The lock mode likely does nothing more than tell the software / ECU not to go into a fuel economy mode and disable the rear drive module. We do the same thing for FCA with the Jeep Renegade and Compass Trailhawk. Lock mode prevents the AWD system from going into 2WD mode. It reduces fuel economy, but does provide a little faster system response to slip on low mu surfaces like sand, gravel, snow, ice, or wet grass. It will not physically lock the axle like a locking differential in a truck.

As for torque vectoring, that has to be brake-based. An open differential can't provide torque vectoring. Magna has a different drive module for that, and I think it's outside the pricing window of a Kia. This torque vectoring corner control has to be minor tugging of the brake on the inside wheel to help initiate a turn, much like nearly everyone else does these days as it's become an almost universal feature from brake control suppliers.
^^^ Good to know. I was thinking that was some pretty impressive hardware for the vehicle if true. It seems once again the Marketeers are taking liberties with technical jargon.
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Old 03-22-2019, 11:04 AM   #39
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Being an AWD product supplier I looked into this. From what I can find it is neither a locking differential nor torque vectoring by hardware. It is an open differential with an active coupling that hangs off the front of the rear drive module. Magna's Dynamax system. There is nothing special about it. The lock mode likely does nothing more than tell the software / ECU not to go into a fuel economy mode and disable the rear drive module. We do the same thing for FCA with the Jeep Renegade and Compass Trailhawk. Lock mode prevents the AWD system from going into 2WD mode. It reduces fuel economy, but does provide a little faster system response to slip on low mu surfaces like sand, gravel, snow, ice, or wet grass. It will not physically lock the axle like a locking differential in a truck.

As for torque vectoring, that has to be brake-based. An open differential can't provide torque vectoring. Magna has a different drive module for that, and I think it's outside the pricing window of a Kia. This torque vectoring corner control has to be minor tugging of the brake on the inside wheel to help initiate a turn, much like nearly everyone else does these days as it's become an almost universal feature from brake control suppliers.
Thanks for the clarification, disappointing that the unit is not as capable as advertised. Although TBO it won't make much of a difference for 95% of buyers (myself included).

Where I do see an issue is KIA has intentions to offer some aftermarket off-road bits (as seen in some of the concepts) and the AWD system could be a weak point then.
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