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06-28-2019, 11:31 PM | #851 | |
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If you are at the level you need to shave some of the engine case and are running turbos of this caliber, it would seem eliminating the tgvs and even going to a non tgv manifold would be a no-brainer. Maybe in states with more strict emission rules, that would be a problem.
The exhaust path has higher velocity /lower density gases and its angles are more crucial. The intake path can benefit from a smoother path, but because of the lower velocity, the angles are less crucial to an extent. I test fitted the intake hose that came with the kit, and because I'm running a na big plenum manifold, the hose goes on the compressor housing without much fuss. You do need to hold it while tightening, but it's not kinked or squished. I wouldn't hesitate to remove a tgv setup. Quote:
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06-28-2019, 11:36 PM | #852 |
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yeah and honestly i would wait til the g25 660 comes out I think it will be a much better turbo than the 3067 or 3071
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06-29-2019, 04:59 PM | #853 |
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Notice I was talking about fitment against my TGV housing - the TGVs themselves are gone. I also put a spacer under the housings, to move the manifold-to-housing bolt up a little bit. A TGV-less manifold couldn't hurt but I'm also not sure it would make a difference.
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06-29-2019, 05:08 PM | #854 |
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06-29-2019, 07:59 PM | #855 | |
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06-29-2019, 09:14 PM | #856 | |
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I'm assuming Spoolinator is better since ATP stock location garrett turbos fit without grinding unless the compressor housings are smaller than standard garrett 3" housings. Still looking for a shot of how it passes by the tgv housings from the top (lets assume everyone has deleted the valves and actuators). I've only seen the one on a stand from the front but that is inconclusive. |
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06-30-2019, 02:39 PM | #857 | |
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06-30-2019, 03:20 PM | #858 | |
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Yes it's likely better since you have to grind the block for clearance which you don't have to with other kits but how much better is it. Again it's not a tangent it's a very relevant question about the Spoolinator. If the intake still points right at the intake runner or TGV housing causing a kink in the intake I'm going rotated if but if it fixes it and maybe just needs the offset coupler (if using a hardpipe) with no pinching then the Spoolinator is the way to go. The cost difference between the two is nothing so performance and simplicity are the tie breakers. |
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06-30-2019, 03:28 PM | #859 | |
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So what is your question then? Thought my previous statement had two answers. If you want it to bolt in with no mods but a pain in the butt intake issue, go with a typical "bolt in" option. If you want improved intake and exhaust flow geometry that requires some grinding away of extra block material, go with the Spoolinator. It's really not a major job. I realize the information is spread all over the place, but Chris has attempted to answer specific questions over the span of this thread and others as well. Maybe PM him and see what he thinks. Eventually I hope to have actually installed pics of my build, but with random plan changes it's taking a while. There are pics of the turbo bolted to the up pipe and the intake in position somewhere, but probably just links. I will try and find them or take another when I get a chance at work. |
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06-30-2019, 03:51 PM | #860 | |
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There are images around from different angles that are very inconclusive. One is from the front with nothing under the intake which kinda looks better but it's not conclusive, others are from the drivers side that don't show the problem spot. The most representative image is straight down looking at the back bolt of the TGV housing and how the intake passes by it. The Spoolinator is a great piece of engineering either way and obviously is a cool solution with big gains. Just want all the facts before making a decision since it's an expensive one that's tough to turn back from once the decision is made (without throwing away money). I would never go with a huge stock location turbo without the Spoolinator. Grinding isn't a big deal. |
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06-30-2019, 03:59 PM | #861 |
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There will always be a kink. I'm using a gtx2867r with the 3" inlet under the manifold mounted on a killerb header/uppipe which has been modified, also a custom downpipe. My turbo has been twisted slightly to reduce the link however it will always exist without turning the turbo a few more degrees which I don't think is possible with the spoolinator podium but then would compromise the dp.
I'll try to find a shot from on top. Edit: Here is a photo. The amr hard inlet has been modified as well |
06-30-2019, 08:34 PM | #862 | |
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What modification did you do to the AMR hard pipe inlet? |
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06-30-2019, 11:32 PM | #863 |
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And what changes did you make to the up-pipe?
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07-01-2019, 03:38 AM | #864 | |
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Just cut the flange off and changed it to v-band as well as adding a low angle ewg merge |
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07-03-2019, 08:58 PM | #865 |
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I mocked the turbo up with the manifold bolted on with two bolts, to show clearance with a non tgv type long runner manifold. The turbo could even be swung right a little more and not kink the inlet pipe. It's really not a sacrifice to run this style manifold, especially since so many remove tgvs or get aftermarket manifolds. I'm posting the google drive links until I get a better way figured out.
I'm confident the 3582 or 4 would fit without issue, but wanted something more easily streetable to decide if a larger turbo will be in the forecast. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-mO...ew?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-aC...ew?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-U4...ew?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-NR...ew?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-NR...ew?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-I-...ew?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-JV...ew?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-7S...ew?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-7i...ew?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UMO...ew?usp=sharing |
07-03-2019, 10:44 PM | #866 |
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Looks great.
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07-03-2019, 11:06 PM | #867 |
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I'm itching to hear it purr, but still have lots of other work to finish. Washer here, gasket there, fittings, etc.
Do any of my other drive photos show, or only the links I provided? I don't want all photos public and drive settings seem to have changed. |
07-04-2019, 01:31 AM | #868 |
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Quoted to avoid confusion
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07-04-2019, 01:32 AM | #869 |
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All I see is sexy pics!
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07-18-2019, 12:53 PM | #870 |
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Saw you got the G series in the series gray STI, was it tuned while JR was there or still awaiting to be tuned?
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08-08-2019, 07:41 AM | #871 | |
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We are starting with the built engine with a VF on it as a baseline and then we'll be stepping through a couple turbo kit variants along with other product install/tests |
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08-08-2019, 09:19 AM | #872 | |
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Damn that pathway is hella nice compared to with TGV's - that actually makes a considerable difference. |
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08-08-2019, 08:13 PM | #873 |
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No reason to go rotated with this type of setup, plus the 3582 can fit as well... unless you don't prefer the garretts or want substantially more turbo. I may move up to the 82 if the car's purpose changes, but for not it's going to be a daily so the 76 should be enough. I've never ran anything larger than a vf22 and Stx20g-r, so can't wait to feel the difference.
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08-16-2019, 09:57 AM | #874 | |
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08-16-2019, 09:27 PM | #875 | |
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Pfft well I have a few more AN fittings in the mail and will be installing the fuel tank, surge tank, AN lines, etc soon. Unsure how quickly the engine end will progress. I wanted to install a few air manifolds to tie things into and have random adjustable pressure sensors to use for safety and other controls. I also need to decide on modifying the ancient original engine harness or building one from scratch. Kind of worried about all of the wires sealing correctly but I do have several new oem engine harness connectors with pins and grommets. When the temperatures drop, I will have more motivation, but it's been a lot of ordering and trying fittings and other parts. Takes forever when you have to get everything through the mail before really knowing if it's going to fit or work. So basically, I barely have anything done |
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