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12-31-2012, 04:35 AM | #51 |
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I think a lot has to do with the tune on their Subaru. Most people blow their Subaru's up because they let some hill billy tune their car, saying "Oh, man I can getcha another 40HP outta this bad boy" I cracked 2 ringlands on my STI back couple years ago, all due to the idiot who tuned it. Live and learn, and be very picky on who touches your car. All in all I don't have anything bad about Subaru, in fact I bought another Subaru after that happened. They are far better than a lot of other cars i've owned.
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12-31-2012, 06:35 AM | #52 |
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Complaining is good, brings common issues to light...with the hope that the people from Subaru read these threads and do something about it.
Keep in mind that the WRX/STI is known as a "tuner" car, and should have been engineered to support an certain increase in stock HP/torque (like other performance vehicles i.e. Mustang, Evo, etc.), and should definitely NOT be breaking ring lands with a safe OTS Stage 1 tune. The "tuning" aspect is a major reason why I bought my STI...if my car couldn't be tuned safely, I wouldn't have bought it, and I would have kept my Evo. |
12-31-2012, 06:54 AM | #53 | |
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12-31-2012, 07:31 PM | #54 |
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^•^ yes i agree. Some people have asked me"bro i can tune your car for $XXX compared to $###." Lmao.
To be honest look at my post count... i barely ever post anything. All i do is get on here and read, I've just noticed every other thread i read its the same people complaining lol. Happy New Years everyone! |
12-31-2012, 07:52 PM | #55 | |
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i got news for ya pal....it is WAY easier and a metric boatload cheaper to get an evo...ANY evo to run 11's(and 10's, too ) than any subaru sold here....and on the stock turbo, too now i dont know what you been smokin....but it must be bath salts....but ya woulda been far better off with the evo |
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12-31-2012, 08:19 PM | #56 |
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People who post negatively on here about subarus are people who have 9 out of 10 times got burnt one way or another. Whether it be a bad dealer, poor service/repairs, cheap parts, cheap builds, misinformation, the list goes on.
I sold phones for 5 years and the things people would come in and complain about were ridiculous! "My battery dies after 5 hours of navigation use", "I only get 4MBPS download, it says it can get 7!!". You have to realize that everything is designed by humans and humans have faults. Of course some people will have issues, there is nothing out there that is 100% perfect. Nothing. If you accept the car for what it is and realize that it won't always be 100% perfect you'll have a much better experience, this goes for any product. The only thing you can do is research, do your due diligence and you cut off the risk of dissapointment expotentially. Every aspect of my car I have researched, from the parts I have bought to the dealer I bought it from. From installs to forum members I am buying used parts from. Some people say I am OCD or anal about my things, but I never complain if something goes wrong because in the end there is no one else to blame but myself. If you have had a bad experience with your Subaru in one way or another I'm sure it's because of any of the previous points. Do your homework and you significantly lower your chances of a bad experience / disappointment. My .02 |
12-31-2012, 08:36 PM | #57 |
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Just because you complain about something doesn't mean you hate it.
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12-31-2012, 08:39 PM | #58 |
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Those are the same people who say they are unreliable POS. I understand you buy a new car and don't expect issues, but on the other hand if you do your homework you'll know the common problems. If you choose to buy the vehicle and then the issue does arise, you can't be mad about it because you chose to buy the car, knowing it had a possibility of that particular issue.
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12-31-2012, 08:42 PM | #59 | |
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But I guess what i mean is that they complain about it to the point that where they obviously state they hate Subaru and say they should have bought an Evo lol. I appreciate all of your opinions and advice. |
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12-31-2012, 09:01 PM | #60 |
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You said you "always" see this as though it happens constantly. But then you describe a rather extreme behavior that I only see occasionally. Do you see why people would be confused?
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12-31-2012, 09:29 PM | #61 | |
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Subaru is a decent all around cheap car, the wrx even leads in most categories against its competition. If one wants a legitimate sports car though, a wrx/STI isn't the way to go. It serves a purpose, but I know there are better cars out there. I'd say I stick around to expense knowledge and try and help kids avoid the same mistakes I made. I also really enjoy the community, at least I used too anyway. Seems there are way to many idiot fan boys out now. Then again, it's serious fun ****ing with them... |
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12-31-2012, 09:45 PM | #62 |
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You know it's getting pretty bad when a NASIOC chapter "moderator" says:
"While I take every chance to bad mouth Subaru (mostly because you all cry like little bitches)...." "Conclusion- from someone who is really over subarus and probably will never own one again......." |
12-31-2012, 09:46 PM | #63 |
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I guess my luck is that every other thread I read has someone complaining , buy hey it's the internet lol.
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12-31-2012, 10:09 PM | #64 | ||
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I think one good thing about nasioc is that it is never a fanboi fest. If someone comes on and says that he's a student with limited funds but can scrape together $3k for a car and is looking for a Subaru that as he gets more money, he'll mod it.........you don't see a ton of people jumping in and encouraging him to buy a Subaru "because it's the best and way cool and how could he go wrong". I know I jump in myself and recommend that he find a mid 90's stock Civic because it makes more sense for his situation. There are certainly forums where the fanbois rule and nothing is in focus besides their silly car. Quote:
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12-31-2012, 10:52 PM | #65 |
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01-01-2013, 08:28 AM | #66 |
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I still come on this site to get laughs and thats it.....i just love all the threads of built motors lasting 5k miles and people doing it over and over again.
I guess people love throwing away money. People get all butt hurt from my sig and comments but its the truth. The EJ is a fine platform for 350whp and below. If you go above this you WILL eventually blow your engine. It is a fact. |
01-01-2013, 10:53 AM | #67 |
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Simple solution. Do not beat the **** out of it. It will not break. Then there is nothing to complain about.
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01-01-2013, 10:54 AM | #68 |
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find revolution.
why is this not in here yet?
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01-01-2013, 11:20 AM | #69 | |
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01-01-2013, 11:45 AM | #70 |
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Now that is funny.
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01-01-2013, 12:22 PM | #71 | |
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Let's consider something. In 2002, the EJ20 227hp WRX ran around 14.4@91-92. In 2005, the 230hp EJ25 ran 14.2@95-96mph. In 2009+, the EJ25 265hp WRXs run 13.5@101-102mph. A Stage II 2005-2008 WRX is as quick as a STOCK 2009 WRX. How is that not progress? The price of the car has not gone up substanially over nearly 12 years in the states either. Lastly, name me one car for $25-26K that offers the performance, utility, and all weather capability as the WRX. |
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01-01-2013, 01:14 PM | #72 |
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The wrx does offer performance,utility,and all weather capability. It really just lacks in the reliability department. I find it unacceptable that motors are letting go with minimal or no mods. We are not talking about 5 and 600whp builds here. I did have a wrx back in 06 and spent ungodly amounts of money to build it and reinforce all weak areas (Engine,Tranny), and it was nothing but problems and looking back and adding all the money makes me sick. I was younger and didnt do my research when buying my wrx. A couple of years ago i finally bought a Evo. It has had 400 plus whp for over 3 years and not had one......NOT ONE hiccup,issue,problem at all.
This is just my experience and i know it does not represent all Subaru owners....but i know from being in the Subaru community and being in and around performance shops that my experience is fairly common. |
01-01-2013, 01:15 PM | #73 |
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There are alway this who are going to hate,
I just ignore then and love my Subaru. |
01-01-2013, 01:37 PM | #74 | |
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You take my post way to serious. Almost every single person in the RMIC knows that 99.9% of what I say is a joke. You've been a member since 2005 and still cant sense sarcasm? If you actually frequented the RMIC you would find that I give usefull advice, and have helped file police reports for members who were scammed locally. I find it rather hysterical that you either remember that quote directly, or saved it somewhere. You should probably post the entire thread for all to read though. P.S. You seem a little angry that a mod of the rmic doesn't own a Subaru. Last edited by godfather2112; 01-01-2013 at 02:34 PM. |
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01-01-2013, 01:54 PM | #75 | ||
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Yes, some cars like the EVO, are built to handle more power, but even your EVO has it's own issues and annoyances. Right off the bat, we all know the EVOs are very raw, loud, rough riding and quite cheap on the inside. That alone was enough to deter me from the car. Then there's the high likelihood that Mitsubishi will be out of the US market in the next 2 to 5 years. Dealerships are already are and few between and Mitsu dealer ratings are margin are best. Asking any engine to reliably handle 20%+ more power than stock is unrealistic. With an NA car, it's takes thousands upon thousands to gain 20% more power than stock. With a WRX, it's a matter of a $150-600 tune and $300-500 downpipe. More importantly, the gain in torque in substanial which taxes the drivetrain. Power is so easy to gain with these cars and so cheap to come by that people seem to loose sight that cheap and easy doesn't mean it's not impacting reliability. Long story short, if you want a motor that can handle quite a bit more power than stock with no internal mods, get an EVO, a 2JZ Supra, or 4.6 SC'd Stang. However, keep in mind those cars all have their own specialized issues and EVERY automotive forum is a bitch-fest for just how crappy the car is. With that said, I'm cutting and pasting from a thread where a BMW tech friend of mine is trying to talk a potential buyer out of a used BMW M5 (E60 chassis, V10 model). I'm just trying to show that all makes and models have their own expensive issues to contend with, even premier BMWs: Quote:
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