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Old 01-30-2007, 06:04 PM   #1
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Default Blouch Dominator III VS. FR Red

If you have either one of these products please respond. I want to get feedback from those that use these turbos first hand. I would also like to hear from shops that sell them. Include WHP, WTQ and boost. I am looking for the strongest bolt on out there for my 06 WRX TR. Please include Dyno graphs if you have them.
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Old 01-30-2007, 06:06 PM   #2
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I know the Blouch comes in 2.4 or 3" inlet size.
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Old 01-30-2007, 07:08 PM   #3
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The Dominator III is a great bolt on turbo.

I made 441whp/427wtq (w/ meth) with this turbo and supporting mods. There is still more power left in my car once I open the flow up a little better (headers,turbo inlet, better boost control, port tgvs, etc) But that said, the car is still a monster.
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Old 01-30-2007, 07:11 PM   #4
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The Dominator III is a great bolt on turbo.

I made 441whp/427wtq (w/ meth) with this turbo and supporting mods. There is still more power left in my car once I open the flow up a little better (headers,turbo inlet, better boost control, port tgvs, etc) But that said, the car is still a monster.
Don't tell me that with all those mods you still have the stock inlet. Please tell me you have at least a Perrin inlet and your going to upgrade it to a APS inlet. Nice #'s BTW, sounds like it pulls like a beast.
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Old 01-30-2007, 07:23 PM   #5
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It's still the stock inlet haha

But It's only been a week since the tune...

Got some new parts on order (Inlet included)

Hope to see some extra power on the re-tune...
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Old 01-30-2007, 07:30 PM   #6
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It's still the stock inlet haha

But It's only been a week since the tune...

Got some new parts on order (Inlet included)

Hope to see some extra power on the re-tune...

Are you the one with the video of the build up of the turbo and the tuning at Agile? (blue sti)
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Old 01-30-2007, 07:32 PM   #7
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To the OP I would go with an 8cm FP green. FP has really proven itself over the years. FP turbos always make power and have a good rep. Either way both turbos are good but my vote is the red.
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Old 01-30-2007, 07:41 PM   #8
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Are you the one with the video of the build up of the turbo and the tuning at Agile? (blue sti)
Thats Drumr78 from this site....same turbo with no meth.

Maybe he will chime in as well.
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Old 01-30-2007, 08:18 PM   #9
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FP Red, 8cm, check their new TD06H exhaust wheel with 11 blades (1 less) for more flow and angled vanes I guess for better spool.
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Old 01-30-2007, 09:40 PM   #10
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I vote GT52, but I like faster spool.

FP Red w/ 8cm is a nice option, but I wouldn't get one unless I was building my engine.
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Old 01-30-2007, 10:02 PM   #11
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this is somewhat apples and oranges. The DomIII uses the same compressor wheel as a GT30R(52lbs) while the Red uses the same compressor wheel as a GT35R(65lbs).
A more direct comparison to the DomIII would be the GT52 from Element Tuning, or AVO500.
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Old 01-30-2007, 11:24 PM   #12
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this is somewhat apples and oranges. The DomIII uses the same compressor wheel as a GT30R(52lbs) while the Red uses the same compressor wheel as a GT35R(65lbs).
A more direct comparison to the DomIII would be the GT52 from Element Tuning, or AVO500.
Thanks for all the posts and info from everyone. Back to this comment, since this is the case, which one of those would you recommend for a bolt on? Or would you recommend the FR Red over the Dom III since it will flow more? Thanks again to everyone and the info!!!
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Old 01-31-2007, 12:11 AM   #13
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Red .... w/ the red 8cm and meth people are putting down 506 awhp. I have a 7cm red (going to a 8cm). w/ the 7cm I put down 360 awhp on 20 psi and 93 oct. A 35r w/ a .63 a/r put down 365 awhp on 20 psi and 93 oct on the same dyno. The tuner told me that if I went w/ 100 oct I would be putting down close to 460. I am going w/ meth soon I am hoping/ expecting 475-500 at the wheels.

There is no tgv problems you could just unplug them if it is a problem. If you go that way you can PM me if you want more info.

On 93 oct you don't need to build your engine w/ a red. If you go w/ meth you may need to but chances are not. I was worried about it also, this is my post on it.

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Old 01-31-2007, 12:15 AM   #14
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red ftw! =)
I think it will put out more power and also, I am selling one............
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Old 01-31-2007, 12:54 AM   #15
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Go with the red!!! I have a red with the 7cm hotside and internal wastegate and I am making 503whp on race gas. I am trying to figure out what I would make with the 8cm hotside.
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Old 01-31-2007, 10:22 AM   #16
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Thats insane numbers for a bolt on turbo let alone direct bolt on...can we say rotated mount territory..
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Old 01-31-2007, 12:16 PM   #17
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yeah, the video is of my WRB STi. That is actually the very first Dominator III, being installed by the guys at Blouch Turbo. I would say go with the Dominator III. You can get 2.4" or 3" inlet, 7cm2 or 8cm2 hotside, and you can do internal or external WG. You will get faster spool with the DOm.
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Old 01-31-2007, 02:40 PM   #18
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Red .... w/ the red 8cm and meth people are putting down 506 awhp. I have a 7cm red (going to a 8cm). w/ the 7cm I put down 360 awhp on 20 psi and 93 oct. A 35r w/ a .63 a/r put down 365 awhp on 20 psi and 93 oct on the same dyno. The tuner told me that if I went w/ 100 oct I would be putting down close to 460. I am going w/ meth soon I am hoping/ expecting 475-500 at the wheels.

There is no tgv problems you could just unplug them if it is a problem. If you go that way you can PM me if you want more info.

On 93 oct you don't need to build your engine w/ a red. If you go w/ meth you may need to but chances are not. I was worried about it also, this is my post on it.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1166339
Thanks for th info, from everyone as well.
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Old 01-31-2007, 02:41 PM   #19
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Go with the red!!! I have a red with the 7cm hotside and internal wastegate and I am making 503whp on race gas. I am trying to figure out what I would make with the 8cm hotside.
Have you had any problems with the IWG? Boost Creep?
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Have you had any problems with the IWG? Boost Creep?
IMO, if you're running a turbo that big, there's no reason to use an IWG and not an EWG.
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Old 01-31-2007, 07:37 PM   #21
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Have you had any problems with the IWG? Boost Creep?
w/ the 7cm red IWG I have had no creep problems at all in any gear. I did in the begining but that was do to the turbo getting un-metered air coming in i.e. vac leak. I havn't heard of anyone having creep problems w/ the reds. It doesn't mean that they aren't out there but I just have never come across one.
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w/ the 7cm red IWG I have had no creep problems at all in any gear. I did in the begining but that was do to the turbo getting un-metered air coming in i.e. vac leak. I havn't heard of anyone having creep problems w/ the reds. It doesn't mean that they aren't out there but I just have never come across one.
Thanks for the info, that's helpful.
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this is somewhat apples and oranges. The DomIII uses the same compressor wheel as a GT30R(52lbs) while the Red uses the same compressor wheel as a GT35R(65lbs).
A more direct comparison to the DomIII would be the GT52 from Element Tuning, or AVO500.
It seems like people are getting similar HP levels out of the FR Red and Dom III, that seems strange since the Red has a 65 lbs compressor wheel and the Dom III has a 52 lbs compressor wheel. Does anyone know why this is the case?
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it really depends on the dyno you are on, you can't / shouldn't compare dyno's. I would like to know what the dom III, a stock STI, and a 35r w/ .xx a/r put down on the same dyno. That will really tell you quite a bit more. Or at least a dom III vs. a 35r .xx a/r. Only because I know what the red 7cm puts down vs. a 35r .63. The dom III seems to be in the ballpark give or take of the FPgreen IMO.
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Old 01-31-2007, 11:43 PM   #25
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it really depends on the dyno you are on, you can't / shouldn't compare dyno's. I would like to know what the dom III, a stock STI, and a 35r w/ .xx a/r put down on the same dyno. That will really tell you quite a bit more. Or at least a dom III vs. a 35r .xx a/r. Only because I know what the red 7cm puts down vs. a 35r .63. The dom III seems to be in the ballpark give or take of the FPgreen IMO.
I'm not sure, I know that WOR440 put down 441WHP and 421 WTQ w/meth but he was also running his stock turbo inlet pipe. I have also heard from some others that put down 370 WHP/WTQ at only 18 PSI. I know it's a ball bearing turbo so it spools quick and it sounds like a monster. I was surprised to hear that WOR440 was running that kind of power with a stock inlet pipe. Very restrictive for that set up.

I just want to get the strongest turbo for the stock location that I can. I like the ball bearing set up of the Dom III and I'm not sure if I would want to trade full boost at 3800 RPM's for what seems to be just a little more power on the top. Thanks for the input!!
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