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Old 06-03-2013, 11:22 PM   #2751
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thats pretty crazy its just a greased bearing!
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:23 PM   #2752
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Woohoo!! Awesome Tom!

That would help out with oil pressure to the rest if the motor and probably keep heat down too. Hope the 3rd maiden voyage is the last maiden voyage for a long time .

What is the maintenance cost for doing that?
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:31 PM   #2753
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One thing I forgot to mention earlier, for whatever reason, Comp actually replaced my turbo with a new one and re-used my compressor cover on this 100% new unit. I can tell you that this turbo appears to be much different from the other oil-less units that I have seen so they must be making revisions. Obviously the community is watching this here on NASIOC so if this goes poorly I assume that few people here will buy these.

Here's a bunch of info on this turbo:

My turbo: http://www.compturbo.com/products/ct4billet/ct4_6265

MY turbo has the following options:
TRIPLEX CERAMIC Bearings
.70 A/R T4 divided 3" Hotside
Water only (Oil-less) center section

Here's some specific info on the oil-less option:
http://www.compturbo.com/press-relea...less-turbo-102


Here's a video of a an early prototype oil-less turbo (note how my turbo looks different):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=4Gw4UGXEyhI

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Old 06-03-2013, 11:34 PM   #2754
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Hope the 3rd maiden voyage is the last maiden voyage for a long time .
YOU HAVE NO IDEA how much I want that to be true!


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Woohoo!! Awesome Tom!

That would help out with oil pressure to the rest if the motor and probably keep heat down too. Hope the 3rd maiden voyage is the last maiden voyage for a long time .

What is the maintenance cost for doing that?
It depends on what I have done / what needs done but I think its less than $200 for a full tear-down, inspection, re-lube, re-assembly and balance check. I am mentally budgeting $300.

This car has the power output of a Ferrari and that comes at a cost, $300/year on this is no big deal for me.
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:36 PM   #2755
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I was actually reading that after my last post. Decent read.

Was reading on some mustang forums just now too, says that the thing will spin for 20 seconds after shut down once broken in, that's pretty good rolling resistance if you ask me.

That was a good move on their part. 1000s have seen this thread.

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And will probably beat a Ferrari Lol.

The mustang owner said his was 300 round trip too . Drives his 700whp mustang 7-8000 a year and comp said to mail in every two years .
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:37 PM   #2756
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stretchedk7,

Yes, 100% oil-less. It basically uses greased bearings and had around a 20,000 mile rebuild cycle. I plan on sending it in every winter for a cheap re-lube and a check-up since that will be pretty easy for me to get done.
Damn Tom, you must really love Comp turbos. If that was my only option I would be sending it in for a Garrett, Precision, or BW.
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:40 PM   #2757
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Damn Tom, you must really love Comp turbos. If that was my only option I would be sending it in for a Garrett, Precision, or BW.
Due to the cost? It takes 10min to remove (maybe less) so the labor isn't a big deal. The car sits for five months at a time so the down-time isn't a big deal either.
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:30 AM   #2758
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Just the inconvenience I guess. $300 won't break the bank but to me spending $300 year after year when you really don't have to doesn't make sense to me. If the oilless CHRA was a necessity due to mounting or some design constraint I could justify it but with all the other great turbo offerings out there that work reliably, I'd rather use that money somewhere else.

I know you don't put many miles on you car but I DD mine and I guess I'm just thinking out loud. My perfect scenario is to install turbo and never have to pull it off until the engine has to come out which is probably about a 2.5 year interval with the miles I put on my car.
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:27 AM   #2759
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Well, the more I think about it, I could easily run two years between services. The yearly thing was more a reaction to negative feedback here in this thread.
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Old 06-04-2013, 09:07 AM   #2760
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One thing everyone is forgetting to mention is even a Garrett traditional CHRA needs to be serviced over time.

I think the turbo will work fine. I'm keeping an eye on this.
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Old 06-04-2013, 09:10 AM   #2761
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Yeah honestly that's not a huge deal. I'm sure those recommendations are to be safe and cautious. No doubt you could go longer.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:30 AM   #2762
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One thing everyone is forgetting to mention is even a Garrett traditional CHRA needs to be serviced over time.

I think the turbo will work fine. I'm keeping an eye on this.
Moore Performance tells me that they have a hand full of these out there and the only Comp product that ever had a problem was my old turbo. I am guessing that it will be fine too.
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Old 06-06-2013, 10:09 PM   #2763
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I towed my car down to Moore Performance yesterday afternoon for a state safety inspection, alignment and corner balance. IT was the first time I have towed with my new truck and I am SUPER impressed! We are talking 12,000lbs of metal at 75mph up hill passing slower traffic in the fast lane! I could tell the car was back there but it was hardly noticeable on the highway and almost impossible to notice on flat surfaces around town.

Here's the car going back on the trailer with my freshly installed winch. Since I live on a hill, I have to load the car slightly down the street so the college kids who live in the nearby dorms always have a good time watching what goes on at my house:





The doors open with LOTS of room to spare:

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Old 06-06-2013, 10:13 PM   #2764
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nice man super jelly of car and trailer!
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Old 06-07-2013, 10:51 PM   #2765
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The winch can be a lifesaver on a trailer. Great addition.
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Old 06-08-2013, 11:56 PM   #2766
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I drove my car home from Moore Performance today and it was flawless! The trip is about 50 miles each way and I must say that I was slightly nervous about going on such a long trip in a car that was recently assembled. Thankfully, as I said, the car was perfect.

I am also super impressed with the alignment and corner balance job. I am running 2 degrees of camber up front and one degree in the back. Thats not super aggressive but it gets the job done. If things go well, perhaps I will do 3 degrees in the near future.
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Old 06-09-2013, 02:16 AM   #2767
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Congrats bud you deserve it
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Old 06-09-2013, 09:55 AM   #2768
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Yeah man congratulations on the completion of a long project!
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:21 AM   #2769
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Yeah man congratulations on the completion of a long project!
Its not complete yet BUT its getting close. Its kind of funny, so many people have made comments to me recently regarding the history of my car and the issues that I have had. I guess its kind of like this:

2005-2008 - Dyno tuned for lots of bolt-on stuff w/stock turbo & stock intercooler (worked perfectly).
2009-2010 - Hydra, water/meth, FMIC, large injectors, Dom 3 (worked perfectly with minor issues with the Dom 3 cracking but they all did that)

Winter 2011 - Purchased and installed my first Element Pro Comp motor and the Moore Evo turbo kit.

Spring 2011 - The car was taken to Element for the initial tune but had issues with the injectors (super rich) and the Evo turbo kit was a complete dud.

Early Summer 2011 - Moore Performance swapped the turbo kit with the one I have now. The new turbo failed twice on the dyno due to blown seals which wasted tons of money and time. It was later discovered that the turbo needed a special oil restrictor which wasn't provided with the kit. I also continued to have fuel injector issues but they seemed to be working by August.

Late Summer 2011 - Once the turbo issue was resolved and I got what appeared to be a working set of injectors, the car was taken to Element tuning for the fourth time in 2011 and the block failed mid pull resulting in nearly everything in the engine bay being destroyed.

Late Fall 2011 - I purchased my second Element Pro Comp motor and rebuilt the car using the same fuel injectors that I had on the car throughout 2011.

Spring 2012 - I started up the car with the new motor and things seemed to be going pretty well until the car suffered from another fuel injector failure.

Early Summer 2012 - I temporarily moved to the Access Port after installing new ID 2000 injectors and new fuel rails. The injectors proved to much for the Access Port on pump gas so it didn't run very well. I finished the break-in process and had the car tuned at wastegate pressure pending another shot at getting it tuned on the Hydra.

Mid Summer 2012 - I was informed that my brand new Element Pro Comp motor would likely suffer form a nearly identical block failure to what I had experienced in 2011 due to poor quality blocks being provided by Subaru. At the time there were no available fixes but something was in the works. Fortunately, the car behaved well enough through 2012 that I could at least drive it to meets and car shows (something that I dont do much).

Late Fall 2012 - I moved back to my freshly upgraded Hydra 2.7 but the car was already in storage for the winter.

Early Winter 2013 - I had Element Tuning calibrate my Hydra 2.7 and things started looking like the car was going to work out after all.

Mid Winter 2013 - I had Element Tuning apply their newly available block re-enforcement process to my Pro Comp motor. They also blueprinted the same time and reported that the motor looked perfect.

Late Spring 2013 - Upon initial start-up, my turbo failed again for unknown reasons resulting in nearly a month of delay.

June 2013 - My new turbo was installed and the car seems to be great.

Basically, had I gone with ID injectors and a traditional rotated turbo setup from the beginning, most of my issues would have never occurred. The motor was a total fluke that could never have been predicted. It appears that as soon as I got rid of those three bad components, the car behaved.
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Old 06-12-2013, 01:44 AM   #2770
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I drove my STI to work today for the first time in a very long time and it felt amazing! I cant wait until I can run this thing at WOT through the gears.
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Old 06-12-2013, 02:40 AM   #2771
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Do you have to put break-in miles on it again after the block mod?
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:38 AM   #2772
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I drove my STI to work today for the first time in a very long time and it felt amazing! I cant wait until I can run this thing at WOT through the gears.
Haha I know what you mean - I just picked up my car from Element yesterday after it being in Phil's shop for 4 months. It doesn't really matter that all you get is 5000 rpm and 10psi - its just the sound and the feel and the car's personality that makes you remember just how much you missed it.

When are you going to get it tuned?
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Old 06-12-2013, 02:42 PM   #2773
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2 questions.

I'm guessing DW injectors are the injectors that gave you issues?

What was a dud about the Evo kit?
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Old 06-13-2013, 12:33 AM   #2774
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2 questions.

I'm guessing DW injectors are the injectors that gave you issues?

What was a dud about the Evo kit?

I was using Ultimate Racing 1260cc injectors which are actually re-branded from some other company (cant remember who). The UR injector kit required a side feed style TGV and a custom top feed fuel rail. The kit was the right size and appeared to be pretty high quality so I went with it (cost was around $1000). After four injector failures I moved to the ID2000s and decided to go down the E85 route instead of meth.

Here's what the UR 1260cc injector kit looked like:







The Evo Turbo kit (AKA "Dragon Slayer") was a design project at Moore performance which attempted to use stock location Evo 9 turbos on Subarus. The kit that I tested was a prototype for product that was never actually released due to design issues. There were a number of theories and possible fixes that may have made the dragon slayer work but in the end, my car suffered similar issues to the small handful of other cars running the same kit. The primary issue was that the kit didn't actually make very much boost(a big problem for a turbo car). For example, my car fizzled out around 14psi and was in vacuum by the time the car hit redline.

The Dragon Slayer kit looked very promising on paper which is why I called up Moore Performance and volunteered to try it out. When it didn't work out, I simply returned the kit to Moore Performance and we went another route. In the end, I purchased one of Moore's traditional twin scroll rotated kits which is absolutely amazing.


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Old 06-13-2013, 10:15 AM   #2775
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There is however a rally team based out of NY that is running this kit on a race car. They have a evo 9 ported and polished turbo, running 28psi making just over 400whp. They are not running a wastegate on the turbo just a restrictor.
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