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Old 11-05-2019, 09:08 AM   #1
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In its next iteration, the Subaru WRX STI—as well as its more civilian WRX brethren—could reportedly abandon its current four-door body style to bring back the coupe format not seen since the rally-inspired car's first generation.

Japan's Best Car claims the new two-door WRX could use an updated version of the current 2.0-liter turbo power plant, the FA20. This echoes a prior story that the FA20 would stick around in the new WRX and would be paired exclusively to a continuously variable transmission (CVT) with sport shifting modes. It will reportedly use an improved version of Subaru's performance all-wheel-drive system, upgraded with the help of Toyota.

More significant but still incremental powertrain updates will reportedly come to the WRX STI, which is apparently set to retain a six-speed manual transmission and upgrade to Subaru's turbocharged, all-aluminum FA24. This engine has also been identified as a possible power unit for the next generation of Subaru BRZ/Toyota 86, known to some as the Toyobaru.

Though Subaru has committed to building all near-future models on the Subaru Global Platform or "SGP," which platform the WRX and STI will use remains uncertain. It could possibly share a platform with the BRZ/86, although the sports car twins may jump ship and be built on Toyota's TNGA platform as opposed to Subaru's SGP.

Best Car also alleges that a performance model smaller than the current WRX—with performance equivalent to the outgoing STI—is also in the works, and will be co-produced by Toyota. It too will reportedly feature AWD and could be based on the new generation of Toyota Yaris. As such, if this hot hatch is real, it may not be sold in the United States as Toyota discontinued the Yaris earlier this year.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/30835/...-toyota-report


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Old 11-05-2019, 09:40 AM   #2
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File this under "I'll believe it when it's announced."

Would I love a coupe again? Damn straight.

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Old 11-05-2019, 11:37 AM   #3
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Can't wait for that CVT-only WRX 2-door I'm sure they'll make. The answer to the question "how can we make a WRX that zero current WRX owners will want?"
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Old 11-05-2019, 12:16 PM   #4
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I won’t make the same mistake of going from a wagon to sedan. And I’m sure as heck not going down to 2 door coupe,
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Old 11-05-2019, 12:51 PM   #5
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I won’t make the same mistake of going from a wagon to sedan. And I’m sure as heck not going down to 2 door coupe,
I've realized lately I prefer coupes. I can't stand having the B pillar in front of my seat right next to my face.
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Old 11-05-2019, 12:52 PM   #6
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That would be a disaster. Coupes are the most annoying type of car to live with.

Getting things out of your backseat, getting someone in or out of your backseat, doors constantly closing on you and having long doors and trying to get out in a parking lot is always fun - oh wait, it's not!
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Old 11-05-2019, 01:23 PM   #7
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That would be a disaster. Coupes are the most annoying type of car to live with.

Getting things out of your backseat, getting someone in or out of your backseat, doors constantly closing on you and having long doors and trying to get out in a parking lot is always fun - oh wait, it's not!
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Old 11-05-2019, 01:28 PM   #8
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I won’t make the same mistake of going from a wagon to sedan. And I’m sure as heck not going down to 2 door coupe,

I agree with this. That may help me make a decision if it's couple only.
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Old 11-05-2019, 01:28 PM   #9
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That would be a disaster. Coupes are the most annoying type of car to live with.

Getting things out of your backseat, getting someone in or out of your backseat, doors constantly closing on you and having long doors and trying to get out in a parking lot is always fun - oh wait, it's not!
That's why the 3 door hatch is the best body style ever made.
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Old 11-05-2019, 02:11 PM   #10
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Maybe Coupe WRX and STI, which opens the door for the Levorg to be sold here... still unlikely for any of it to come true.
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Old 11-05-2019, 02:54 PM   #11
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we must wait for subaru confirmation. we await the la auto show for some answers
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Old 11-05-2019, 02:57 PM   #12
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Maybe it could be an excuse for Toyota to then have the Celica GT4 return.
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Old 11-05-2019, 10:33 PM   #13
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Maybe it could be an excuse for Toyota to then have the Celica GT4 return.
hmm, interesting toyota could bring back the celica gt4 and subaru could use it to bring back the subaru svx. both vehicles were coupes, and both were awd.
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hmm, interesting toyota could bring back the celica gt4 and subaru could use it to bring back the subaru svx. both vehicles were coupes, and both were awd.
Honestly, take this drivetrain, put it in the B11S (with an updated front design for todays models), and call it done. *that* would make a lot of people look at Subaru more.

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Old 11-06-2019, 12:49 PM   #15
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There is one great thing that could come from this partnership..

The STI could get Toyota's D-4S dual injection system (direct & port injection) like the BRZ has. This would improve efficiency, power, and significantly reduce carbon build-up & the need for walnut blasting.
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Old 11-06-2019, 12:54 PM   #16
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The STI is the highest performance offering, and therefore does it really matter if it's a coupe? If you want some semblance of performance driving while carting around your 2.5 kids, just buy the WRX in a sedan (or hatch hopefully). Keep the WRX with the same casual format, and move the STI up with higher performance, less practicality, and higher prices. That's what a "halo" car should be.
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Old 11-06-2019, 01:21 PM   #17
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See VIZIV Adrenaline concept for next Subaru “coupe”.
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Old 11-06-2019, 01:52 PM   #18
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The STI is the highest performance offering, and therefore does it really matter if it's a coupe? If you want some semblance of performance driving while carting around your 2.5 kids, just buy the WRX in a sedan (or hatch hopefully). Keep the WRX with the same casual format, and move the STI up with higher performance, less practicality, and higher prices. That's what a "halo" car should be.
Yes that is what a Halo car should be on paper. But it all comes at a price. This might be possible if Toyota is actually involved. It's a balancing act. Right now, the STI sells well but if it gets too high in price, you start risking sales. If it's too one off, that costs more money, more money is charged, and most likely risk sales. Halo cars are great for brand image but not necessarily for pocket books. But again, if Toyota is truely involved, then it may be possible. Somehow, the 86/BRZ did well enough to warrant a second gen.

The RX-7, Supra, & 300zx of the 90's, heck even the S2000 make great Halo cars and are still talked about today but are all gone.

The success of the new Supra remains to be seen. But is already in a lot of competition once you throw in the C8 and GT350. The current Z is stagnant and has not been updated at all in years. The other Halo cars from Japan (GTR and NSX) have blown up in price and don't sell and already feeling old.

The STI, for now, is in a unique situation as the FoRS is gone and the R is going away for a short amount of time. The Type R seems to sell okay but it is not a one off car.
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See VIZIV Adrenaline concept for next Subaru “coupe”.
Try this on for size as a 2door instead: https://www.motor1.com/news/227035/s...-sti-revealed/

But I would much prefer THIS as a 2-door...https://www.motor1.com/news/235162/s...cept-revealed/

Why? Look up Volvo Concept Estate. I'd probably have one in my driveway if it existed.

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Old 11-06-2019, 04:50 PM   #20
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Is this possible confirmation of a future MR-2 developed by Subaru? That would compete in World Rally better than the WRX sedan.

Though mid-engine might make it harder for AWD, unless electric motors are used.
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Old 11-06-2019, 05:51 PM   #21
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The STI is the highest performance offering, and therefore does it really matter if it's a coupe? If you want some semblance of performance driving while carting around your 2.5 kids, just buy the WRX in a sedan (or hatch hopefully). Keep the WRX with the same casual format, and move the STI up with higher performance, less practicality, and higher prices. That's what a "halo" car should be.
I used to preach this, along with HipToBeSquare and possibly WRXHillclimb. I would give my left nut for an STI coupe with D4-S. Originally I wanted a turbo H6 in it, but I'd settle for the FA24DIT. Practicality be damned!
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Old 11-06-2019, 06:37 PM   #23
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I dont know how I feel about a joint WRX/STI. That has always been Subaru heritage. Allowing a sister WRX car as a badged Toyota might be a bad idea. The BRZ/86 was co-developed from the get go and I find this much different than taking a historic bloodline and inviting another company. On the other hand, the yaris based racer would fit the bill for WRC cars and Toyota is deep in. Too bad the next set of regulations are playing with hybrid powertrain ideas which I think will kill alot of WRC fan base.

Perhaps is time for a all new car name.
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Old 11-06-2019, 07:38 PM   #24
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Sounds like a Celica GT-4 Comeback if this is true
Toyota wants a middle brother
and this would either be the return of the STI Coupe (22B/GC) or SVX?

I don't think Toyota would develop a new MR2, that would require some advice from Porsche.
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Old 11-06-2019, 07:42 PM   #25
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CVT only 2 door coupe WRX ? Subaru go home, you're drunk.
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