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Old 10-02-2019, 11:38 AM   #251
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Zero chance we'll get the Levorg.
Bro beard vapors just won't have it man. Sedanigans. Would love to be wrong but I haven't seen Subaru do anything other than new vanilla in years.
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Old 10-02-2019, 12:52 PM   #252
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Bro beard vapors just won't have it man. Sedanigans. Would love to be wrong but I haven't seen Subaru do anything other than new vanilla in years.
Yea, the BRZ is by far the riskiest, least sensible thing they've done in recent years in North America. Ha! And they shared that risk with Toyota even, so it wasn't really that crazy.

Our market is like a bizzarro dimension compared to ROW. ([cheap gas bubble + weak environmental policy]*masculinity epidemic) I reckon.
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Old 10-02-2019, 01:40 PM   #253
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Yea, the BRZ is by far the riskiest, least sensible thing they've done in recent years in North America. Ha! And they shared that risk with Toyota even, so it wasn't really that crazy.

Our market is like a bizzarro dimension compared to ROW. ([cheap gas bubble + weak environmental policy]*masculinity epidemic) I reckon.
Agree. BRZ makes no real sense for Subaru. Levorg would not do sloop bad. Even a lifted one...
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Unless Toyota wants to Levorg on their shared platform (which I said years and years ago they should in fact do), USA no Levorg.

Outside of that the best chance we have is for the Outback XT to get a tS version. What with all this talk about the S209 being a launching point for special STI models (also we've heard this for years and years and years) there could be some Bilsteins and pinks developed for it along with un-Outbacking the black plastic right off.
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Old 10-02-2019, 04:29 PM   #255
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Unless Toyota wants to Levorg on their shared platform (which I said years and years ago they should in fact do), USA no Levorg.

Outside of that the best chance we have is for the Outback XT to get a tS version. What with all this talk about the S209 being a launching point for special STI models (also we've heard this for years and years and years) there could be some Bilsteins and pinks developed for it along with un-Outbacking the black plastic right off.
That black cladding has always been a detraction of the Outback for me... both personally and in seeing them on the street. It's like fake hood scoops and wings. Outback owners, by and large, never go where that stuff was designed to go. If anything it should be an option.

But it's my opinion that the Outback is too big to do anything much with in terms of performance. Lowered it's a Legacy wagon/hatchback/tourer. Big.

I have a hunch that crept into my thinking recently... that there is a change coming in cars, to smaller. Smaller everything except the already big stuff like trucks, Suburbans, Ascents, etc. The size range spreading apart. I've seen it happen around me lately.

I already feel the current STi is too big. It's one of the things that bothered me about my own... mainly when I was doing the twisties. I always wished it were a smaller, lighter, 2-door with a lower roof line. The rest would've been fine if the wide-body kit had been more tastefully integrated, too. IOW, I love it mechanically but far from the body I'd like on it.

The present Impreza wagon I own solves all that for me. Who knew. The 5-door body is sleek, and I often envision it being a WRX/STi... but I don't like what a hood scoop does to it, so I'd do it differently and still have distinctive muscle-car looks. It's a good canvas to speculate on.

The next STi is going to be an awesome machine. I believe that. But I also believe they'll continue some old ways that I don't like, like size and styling. But that's just me.
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I'd buy a cleaned up and slightly lowered Outback XtS. Wouldn't even be a question.
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Old 10-06-2019, 10:48 PM   #257
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That black cladding has always been a detraction of the Outback for me... both personally and in seeing them on the street. It's like fake hood scoops and wings. Outback owners, by and large, never go where that stuff was designed to go. If anything it should be an option.
Way back when before I had my WRX I would take my OB out with my buddies who had offroad pack trucks just for the hell of it. That plastic definitely was a nice feature for scrapes on branches and stuff. Of course I have no illusions that every other owner drives like that.

As for the new STI being something awesome, I know I'm just barking up an empty tree but I'd love to see it pack a revised FA24 with slightly bigger cams and more boost. Back in 04 with the first USDM run the STI was in line with domestic muscle cars and even better than most euro models. They've lost their edge in the name of saving on R&D while the competition has been adding direct injection, better tuning, and superior engine designs onto their cars. Now that the development costs have been mostly soaked up by the Ascent and OBXT/LXT, hopefully they'll put it in the STI and warm it up to its potential. If it can make 280ft/lbs on 87, it should be good for at least another 20-30% with more cam and boost on 93.
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Old 10-07-2019, 03:25 PM   #258
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If it can make 280ft/lbs on 87, it should be good for at least another 20-30% with more cam and boost on 93.
I know it wont happen, but I'm hoping they can meet at least current HP levels on regular gas. Its getting harder to find premium in my area. Gas stations are switching their premium over to ethanol free 90 octane and straight up not offering premium anymore. Plus being 50 cents a gallon more expensive is annoying. Seems like only a few cars outside luxury brands even need premium now.
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Old 10-08-2019, 12:44 AM   #259
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Though I think a Levorg would sell more than the twins combined(as they sit. dunno about 2nd gen), these numbers you post are not "fair". They are end of gen sales numbers. I think they should bring it. Just to give it a chance. I know it costs a lot of money in what they have to do to bring it to our shores; but, I don't think they would LOSE money trying it. If the numbers end up lower than they'd like, then kill the wagon again. No matter what it is, I'm just hoping for a 5dr again. Maybe they were able to do 3(2) models this go-round.
I don't think the BRZ is about sales, it's about saying "Hey look, we're a fun company! Never mind that we're designing the rest of our lineup for the soccer moms."
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Old 10-08-2019, 07:01 AM   #261
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:05 PM   #262
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interesting, considering the levorg is usually based of the new wrx in appearance, the new wrx for the states has a high possibility of being revealed at the la auto show. also a better photo of the car may reveal the new look of the wrx front and interior.
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interesting, considering the levorg is usually based of the new wrx in appearance, the new wrx for the states has a high possibility of being revealed at the la auto show. also a better photo of the car may reveal the new look of the wrx front and interior.
I always thought it was the other way around... the USDM WRX was based on the Levorg... as it is, essentially, just a WRX 5-door with a CVT and preceded the USDM WRX in production.

While the name, Levorg, is derived from the Legacy, it is based on the Impreza's chassis.
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I always thought it was the other way around... the USDM WRX was based on the Levorg... as it is, essentially, just a WRX 5-door with a CVT and preceded the USDM WRX in production.

While the name, Levorg, is derived from the Legacy, it is based on the Impreza's chassis.
WRX came first, then Levorg was modeled after it and a Leggy name was slapped on it.
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Nothing came first. WRX and Levorg were developed together because the unpopular supersized Legacy wagon was axed and replaced by the smaller Levorg. WRX Levorg and Legacy all launched '15 MY.
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I know it wont happen, but I'm hoping they can meet at least current HP levels on regular gas. Its getting harder to find premium in my area. Gas stations are switching their premium over to ethanol free 90 octane and straight up not offering premium anymore. Plus being 50 cents a gallon more expensive is annoying. Seems like only a few cars outside luxury brands even need premium now.
Not sure what part of Maine you are from, but I always go to Sunoco and they have 93.
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WRX came first, then Levorg was modeled after it and a Leggy name was slapped on it.
But, but... the Levorg debuted in 2014 and the WRX in the USDM in 2015.

Just as they decided to market the WRX and STi as separate models, while in reality they remained on the same platform... the Levorg was the 5-door they decided to not make, yet again was nothing more than an Impreza configured as a WRX wagon. A rose by any other name...

The Levorg IS a CVT WRX wagon. No different in any way from the WRX here other than the body style.
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But, but... the Levorg debuted in 2014 and the WRX in the USDM in 2015.

Just as they decided to market the WRX and STi as separate models, while in reality they remained on the same platform... the Levorg was the 5-door they decided to not make, yet again was nothing more than an Impreza configured as a WRX wagon. A rose by any other name...

The Levorg IS a CVT WRX wagon. No different in any way from the WRX here other than the body style.
the 2015 wrx came out in calendar year 2014. and the levorg shares near identical features of the wrx. major differences being cvt only and wagon body. but both seem to built on the impreza frame. we will simply have to wait and see what happens over the next 2 months. with the camouflaged levorg being spotted so close to the tokyo motor show date, it is only a matter of time before the new wrx is spotted in camo too
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Nothing came first. WRX and Levorg were developed together because the unpopular supersized Legacy wagon was axed and replaced by the smaller Levorg. WRX Levorg and Legacy all launched '15 MY.
It was FHI's effort at damage control because the Legacy and more specifically the wagon just didn't fit on the streets in Japan. The Levorg did its job but, FHI/Subaru never put any development into it. It was a size problem not a performance problem hence the limited power train.

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The point is that the Levorg is, in fact, name etc etc. notwithstanding, a WRX wagon.

Always has been.

And since it's already made, and (I think) consumers are more aware of the benefits of a compact 5-door lately (see me as example), there is a good reason to suspect the USDM may get a WRX hatch again.

That's all.
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the 2015 wrx came out in calendar year 2014. and the levorg shares near identical features of the wrx. major differences being cvt only and wagon body. but both seem to built on the impreza frame. we will simply have to wait and see what happens over the next 2 months. with the camouflaged levorg being spotted so close to the tokyo motor show date, it is only a matter of time before the new wrx is spotted in camo too
I bought my 15 wrx in April 14.
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I bought my 15 wrx in April 14.
I know the 15 wrx came out in 2014. that is why is said calendar year 2014 not model year 2014. we can only hope that wrx hatch is being considered. but you must wonder why subaru specifically gave the 2020 sport hatch the choice of the manual and not the sedan. is that cryptic tease from subaru without saying it outright
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The front of the new levorg does not look so exiting..

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And by the looks hitachi camera's are replaced by autoliv ones.
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The point is that the Levorg is, in fact, name etc etc. notwithstanding, a WRX wagon.

Always has been.

And since it's already made, and (I think) consumers are more aware of the benefits of a compact 5-door lately (see me as example), there is a good reason to suspect the USDM may get a WRX hatch again.

That's all.
Correct. Subaru got "cute" and started calling cars built off the same platform different names, and removed the stigma of buying "a tarted up base car".

Impreza "Outback Sport" > Crosstrek
Impreza WRX > WRX
Impreza WRX Wagon > Levorg
Impreza WRX STi > WRX STi

The new names, honestly, helped. Impreza is their economy/cheapest line. Crosstrek just sounds better, for essentially the same car, but easier to say/remember over "Impreza Outback Sport". Same with all the others. By removing "Impreza" the association is no longer "Tarted up economy car".

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The front of the new levorg does not look so exiting..

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Have ya ever seen the front of a Bugeye?


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