Tesla Catch All Thread. Hate us cause you ain’t us.

[edkwon]

Originally Posted by DougNuts

Understood. I don't need to buy a new car, so I'd like to know what I'm getting if I place an order.

Like for example this silliness


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[heavyD]

Originally Posted by DougNuts

I've been shopping Tesla's really hard lately, but I'm a bit concerned about not knowing what I'm going to get if I order one.

How can a person tell if their order, placed today, would be missing rear USBs or lumbar on the passenger seat? What else has Tesla had to remove due to the chip shortage?

I'm currently leaning heavily towards the Y, with a Model 3 as an option only due to the cost differential between it and the Y.

I received my Model 3 Performance a month ago and it came with everything as I don't think there is an issue with USB ports right now. Only thing is that if you order a long range or base Model 3 you may get the old style headlights as performance models are the only ones receiving the matrix headlights consistently.

[thill]

Originally Posted by heavyD

I received my Model 3 Performance a month ago and it came with everything as I don't think there is an issue with USB ports right now. Only thing is that if you order a long range or base Model 3 you may get the old style headlights as performance models are the only ones receiving the matrix headlights consistently.

Same here my M3P had everything too. They even accidentally gave me two charging cables

[juanmedina]

I guess the Plaid can really go over 200mph

https://youtu.be/T7mQW0OeUJ8

https://youtu.be/T7mQW0OeUJ8

warranty voided

[Hiryu]

One of my life goals was to be more fearless, and so I bought a Tesla that was assembled the very last week of the fiscal year.

Drove her home today, and she had surprisingly few flaws after spending an hour going through six pages of things to check. Worst thing was the passenger side headlight contacting the front trunk cover, but at least it's not squeeking during driving.

The yoke, blinker buttons, shifter, and horn are still a dumb design and actually makes the car less fun to drive, but I knew she wasn't really driver-oriented going into this. To be honest, I still had more fun driving my gutless WRX home afterwards. But the Plaid is great for flexing and compensation. I'm gonna name her 'Souless'.

And I'm still waiting for my mobile connector to be delivered.

[Hiryu]

Double post.

Hoping she works better and has less bugs than these forums....

[SubaDuba420]

Tesla finally delivers first electric Semi to Pepsi after years of delay
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...still-unknown/

Yesterday, Elon Musk appeared at his first Tesla unveiling since he took the helm at Twitter. At a Tesla plant in Nevada, the billionaire announced that after five long years, Tesla’s first heavy-duty Semi had been delivered to PepsiCo.

The Semi, Tesla announced, would go into production in 2023 and feature an updated version of Tesla’s Supercharger, which uses liquid-cooling technology in its charging cable and is capable of charging the large electric vehicle at 1 megawatt.....

Reuters reported that Tesla would use the Semi to transport parts between its Nevada and California plants. In test runs, Tesla completed a 500-mile haul of 81,000 pounds (a total that includes the truck's weight and cargo), but that didn’t impress everyone gathered. Oliver Dixon, a senior analyst at the consultancy firm Guidehouse, told Reuters the truck is “not very impressive” and still could not be considered a “definitive proof of concept" without key details that Tesla failed to share during its event.

AND

Tesla is offering a rare $3,750 discount on Model 3 & Model Y in US
https://www.autoblog.com/2022/12/02/...y-in-december/
-Tesla is offering a rare $3,750 discount on Model 3 and Model Y vehicles until 2023.
-The price cut comes as many customers delay delivery into next year in anticipation of a $7,500 EV tax credit.
-Last quarter, Tesla delivered fewer cars than experts had expected.

Tesla is offering a $3,750 credit to US customers on Model 3 and Model Y cars until the end of the year.

It's a rare move for the automaker, whose CEO, Elon Musk, has often said that Tesla wouldn't discount new cars.

According to a report by Electrek, which cites sources familiar with the matter, Tesla has seen an uptick in order cancellations due to long delivery wait times, leading some customers to change their minds about a car purchase between the time they placed car orders and the date of delivery.

The report also said that some customers are pushing electric vehicle deliveries into the start of 2023 to take advantage of the Biden Administration's new EV tax credit.

The credit, which takes effect in 2023, is part of the Inflation Reduction Act signed by President Biden in August and extends current federal tax credits. The credit is worth up to $7,500, and Tesla's Model 3 & Model Y are both eligible beginning in 2023.

By trying to push new vehicles out the door by the end of the fourth quarter, Tesla may be looking to avoid another disappointing quarter of deliveries. In the third quarter, Tesla reported delivering 343,000 electric cars, falling short of analysts' expectations of 364,660 deliveries.

Still king, by the new players are begining to chip away.....

[godfather2112]

I think Tesla will remain “king” in terms of total EV vehicles sold for a decent amount of time. However, I’m guessing by 2024/2025 it goes from being 65% of EV’s sold in US down to 30% (+/- 5%). That’s still a pretty damn large percentage of US EV sales. I believe they went from 85% US EV sales 2-3 years ago down to 65% current year.

If they can get that budget model 3 going quickly, I think it will help them maintain a significant market share for longer.

[godfather2112]

I think Tesla will remain "king" in terms of total EV vehicles sold for a decent amount of time. However, I'm guessing by 2024/2025 it goes from being 65% of EV's sold in US down to 30% (+/- 5%). That's still a pretty damn large percentage of US EV sales. I believe they went from 85% US EV sales 2-3 years ago down to 65% current year.

If they can get that budget model 3 going quickly, I think it will help them maintain a significant market share for longer.

[Sid03SVT]

I'm just not willing to buy a Tesla.

[edkwon]

Originally Posted by godfather2112

If they can get that budget model 3 going quickly, I think it will help them maintain a significant market share for longer.

FYI, in order to push end of Q4 sales, they're offering $3750 credit off any Model 3 or Y that takes delivery this month.



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[legav05]

Originally Posted by Sid03SVT

I'm just not willing to buy a Tesla.

Stunning and brave of you to say in public. Golf clap.

[SubaDuba420]

best thing about Tesla, their owners taking over the top spot from the BMW owners...

[godfather2112]

Originally Posted by Sid03SVT

I'm just not willing to buy a Tesla.

Same. I can predicate the battery and motor tech but the vehicle itself is a hard no for me.

Originally Posted by edkwon

FYI, in order to push end of Q4 sales, they're offering $3750 credit off any Model 3 or Y that takes delivery this month.



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Yep, saw that. Either people are waiting for 2023 tax credits to resume or demand is softening, or possibly both. Who knows.

[edkwon]

Originally Posted by godfather2112

Yep, saw that. Either people are waiting for 2023 tax credits to resume or demand is softening, or possibly both. Who knows.

It's mostly motivated by the waiting for 2023 delivery/tax credits from what I understand.

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[Pre]

Originally Posted by edkwon

FYI, in order to push end of Q4 sales, they're offering $3750 credit off any Model 3 or Y that takes delivery this month.



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Yep and still $60,000 for a car that weighs 4200 pounds. It weighs just about what my truck does except the Tesla cost almost double.

Going electric, you are not saving anything financially buying an expensive Tesla. While they are a great DD, they are overpriced. What this space needs is an Impreza EV, Corolla Hatch EV, vehicles such as this from any mfr. A modern 5 door hatchback in the 30k-40k space with 200+ mile range. Only the Leaf exists in this space so far. I looked at all the new EV Trucks myself to see if I could consolidate my truck and Leaf into one single vehicle and those EV Truck prices? Utterly and completely ridiculous.

The problem with Tesla’s competitors is they are trying to make back their EV R&D money they spent right off the rip. Nah, you need to amortize that **** over time, years. Not year 1 fools.

Oh well, I am interested in the Cybertruck. I’ll at least give it a chance. I don’t hate Tesla by any means. Driven everyone of them so far, including the P models. Fast in a straight line doesn’t mean anything to me in this kind of vehicle. Current Teslas are just luxury vehicles to me, that don’t have a luxury interior.

[juanmedina]

Originally Posted by Pre

Yep and still $60,000 for a car that weighs 4200 pounds. It weighs just about what my truck does except the Tesla cost almost double.

Going electric, you are not saving anything financially buying an expensive Tesla. While they are a great DD, they are overpriced. What this space needs is an Impreza EV, Corolla Hatch EV, vehicles such as this from any mfr. A modern 5 door hatchback in the 30k-40k space with 200+ mile range. Only the Leaf exists in this space so far. I looked at all the new EV Trucks myself to see if I could consolidate my truck and Leaf into one single vehicle and those EV Truck prices? Utterly and completely ridiculous.

The problem with Tesla’s competitors is they are trying to make back their EV R&D money they spent right off the rip. Nah, you need to amortize that **** over time, years. Not year 1 fools.

Oh well, I am interested in the Cybertruck. I’ll at least give it a chance. I don’t hate Tesla by any means. Driven everyone of them so far, including the P models. Fast in a straight line doesn’t mean anything to me in this kind of vehicle. Current Teslas are just luxury vehicles to me, that don’t have a luxury interior.

EV's are heavy because of the batteries and there is no way around it. As energy density improves one day EV's will match ICE and eventually beat them in curb weight. Tesla cars are the lightest when compare to their competitors while providing more real world range. The Polestar 2 weight 450lbs mote than a Model 3, the Mach-E weights 350lbs more than a Model Y and the Taycan Turbo S weights 334lbs than the Model S Plaid. You also have something like BMW I4 that weights 500lbs more than the Plaid.

I am excited about the Cybertruck with 1000V architecture I wonder how fast it will charge .

And talking about demand Tesla has huge demand levers. It seems that the new car demand is decreasing across the board becuase of the higher interest rates and the recession uncertain for next year. Ford just reported that their November sales are down 7% while EV sales increasing which could be actually a bad thing because Ford reported that they were losing money on their EV's. In July Ford was losing $11,000 per vehicle, I am not sure how it is looking now. In the other hand Tesla could lower their prices to increase demand while still mainting a healthy profit but I hope that Tesla doesn't have to do this and I think the $7500 EV tax credit will help immensely.

Tesla earns 8 times more profit than Toyota per car

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Aut...Toyota-per-car

[legav05]

Originally Posted by Pre

Yep and still $60,000 for a car that weighs 4200 pounds. It weighs just about what my truck does except the Tesla cost almost double.

I assume you haven't actually driven one. It doesn't drive like it's that heavy. CoG is significantly lower than any Subaru, likely around your ankles. My car is almost 5000 lbs, and the only time I actually notice that is when swapping my winter wheels, my floor jack just about wants to give up.

[Pre]

Originally Posted by legav05

I assume you haven't actually driven one. It doesn't drive like it's that heavy. CoG is significantly lower than any Subaru, likely around your ankles. My car is almost 5000 lbs, and the only time I actually notice that is when swapping my winter wheels, my floor jack just about wants to give up.

As I have already said, I’ve driven every P model thus far. I have friends in the car business here and can drive most anything I want with notice with the exception of massive 6 figure sports cars.

You notice the weight in corners. You cannot defy physics as weight is what it is. If you don’t feel it, then I guess you aren’t pushing the car, as in ever.

[juanmedina]

Originally Posted by Pre

As I have already said, I've driven every P model thus far. I have friends in the car business here and can drive most anything I want with notice with the exception of massive 6 figure sports cars.

You notice the weight in corners. You cannot defy physics as weight is what it is. If you don't feel it, then I guess you aren't pushing the car, as in ever.

When I was at AMP my instructor had a MR2 Turbo with a track setup and in one of the sessions he rode along with me and he said "I never though this car would feel so good" . Low CG is physics and can help hide the weight quiet well. The Plaid skidpad test beats a Corvette and BMW M5 CS which weight a lot less and this on narrow PS4's in comparison to the other cars. Yes EV's are heavy but Tesla's are among the lightest EV's you can buy.

[SCRAPPYDO]

Originally Posted by juanmedina

When I was at AMP my instructor had a MR2 Turbo with a track setup and in one of the sessions he rode along with me and he said "I never though this car would feel so good" . Low CG is physics and can help hide the weight quiet well. The Plaid skidpad test beats a Corvette and BMW M5 CS which weight a lot less and this on narrow PS4's in comparison to the other cars. Yes EV's are heavy but Tesla's are among the lightest EV's you can buy.

they don't waste any weight on quality interiors. Or a whole steering wheel

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Weight is mechanical downforce. Low CG weight is better mechanical downforce.

[SubaDuba420]

Tesla says its self-driving technology may be a 'failure' — but not fraud
https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...lure-not-fraud

Tesla’s Full Self-Driving technology may be a failure, Tesla lawyers admit — but it’s not a fraud.

The electric car company is facing a class-action lawsuit from Autopilot and Full Self-Driving (FSD) technology customers. They claim they were ripped off, duped by statements from co-founder and CEO Elon Musk and marketing materials from Tesla over the past six years suggesting full-fledged autonomous driving was imminent. No Tesla on the road today is capable of full self driving, and yet Tesla sells what it calls a Full Self-Driving Capability for $15,000.

In its defense, Tesla lawyers said that “mere failure to realize a long-term, aspirational goal is not fraud.” That argument is contained in a motion to dismiss the case that was filed last week in U.S. District Court in San Francisco.

The main plaintiff is Briggs Matsko, a resident of Rancho Murieta, Calif. If the case goes forward, it could lead to deposition of Tesla employees who helped develop the technology and reveal what Musk knew and didn’t know about its true capabilities when he made numerous forecasts over the years — including the prediction that there would be a million Tesla robotaxis on the road by the end of 2020, that customers could make $30,000 a year hiring them out, and that their cars would appreciate in value.

Tesla lawyers are attempting to prevent that information from going public. The motion to dismiss the case rests mainly on Tesla’s contention that the papers customers signed when they bought their cars obligate them to individually file claims through the private arbitration system.

A public trial allows for customers to file as a large group, known as a class; arbitration means each customer would be on his or her own. While a public trial could reveal testimony from current or former Tesla employees on the state of Tesla’s automated technology development at any given time, arbitration would keep that testimony secret.

Thousands of lawsuits have been filed against Tesla and Musk. The private arbitration move is often Tesla’s first reaction against public court lawsuits. The case of Cristina Balan, as chronicled by The Times, is perhaps the most famous example. A former Tesla engineer, she claims she was defamed by Tesla in 2017, damaging her professional reputation, but through a series of procedural arguments Tesla lawyers have kept the case out of public court.

The FSD fraud suit runs through a litany of claims and promises made by Musk and Tesla about automated technology that will be familiar to anyone who closely follows Musk.

They include a 2016 video that purports to show a Tesla driving itself through the streets of Palo Alto with complete autonomy. Before the video rolls, with the Rolling Stones’ “Paint it Black” as background music, a message reads, “The person in the driver’s seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not driving anything. The car is driving itself.”

Tesla workers later revealed that the video was fabricated, done in multiple takes, with the driving systems failures removed, including a crash into a fence. The video remains on Tesla’s website.

The lawsuit highlights the multiple revisions of Musk’s statements over the years that full autonomy would be achieved in three months, or six months, or the end of the year (in any given year) or the next year.

In its motion to dismiss, Tesla lawyers note that Musk often has said regulatory approval will be necessary before actual autonomy can be deployed. But neither Musk nor the lawyers say which regulators they’re talking about.

..... P.T. Musk




Paging FunkyJuanMedina to the defense.....

[juanmedina]

Originally Posted by SubaDuba420

Paging FunkyJuanMedina to the defense.....

How terrible

[godfather2112]

Posted that same article in OT.

If it's found that Elon knew and mislead customers and investors about the realistic time frame of level 5 autonomous driving, the SEC likely won't go easy on him or Tesla.