2022 Subaru WRX Official Announcement *Merged*

[JustyWRC]

Loved the look. The AWD was good. Kinda amazed that came from Suzuki. Haven't heard a peep about reliability though. Were/are they good, long term cars?

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[umscooby]

Without going back and reading everyone's posts, are the same people who's butt hurts for lack of memory seats the same ones who complain that the WRX has lost it's edge?

signed,
conflicted

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by umscooby

Without going back and reading everyone's posts, are the same people who's butt hurts for lack of memory seats the same ones who complain that the WRX has lost it's edge?

signed,
conflicted

Yes we are. Didn't say we need a lay-z-boy. My Giulia has more aggressive seats than the WRX and it has memory.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

Loved the look. The AWD was good. Kinda amazed that came from Suzuki. Haven't heard a peep about reliability though. Were/are they good, long term cars?

I wish I was my age now at that point. The age of Japanese sport sedans that could be driven to work and tracked on the weekend. Offering a car for WRX owners to upgrade when they had families/careers.

Legacy Spec.B
Mazdaspeed 6
Kizashi

[rallly 4]

Originally Posted by Scooby-Doode

I see those cars all the time. I loved the styling and the fact that it was available in a manual. I recall Suzuki getting a lot of flack because "it looked like a VW."

Speaking of Suzuki we spoke with family in Sicily today. They own integrales cossie s etc. real gear heads - know what the DD of choice is for them? The Suzuki swift gti or whatever they call the performance variant. Really cool car from what I saw on FaceTime - and very Inexpensive. If Suzuki came back to the US selling the Jimmy and swift models only they’d make a killing.

[Scooby-Doode]

Originally Posted by umscooby

Without going back and reading everyone's posts, are the same people who's butt hurts for lack of memory seats the same ones who complain that the WRX has lost it's edge?

signed,
conflicted

Don't need memory seats, just give me manual height/angle and lumbar adjustments. Ohh and aggressive side bolsters.

[4S-TURBO]

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by rallly 4

Speaking of Suzuki we spoke with family in Sicily today. They own integrales cossie s etc. real gear heads - know what the DD of choice is for them? The Suzuki swift gti or whatever they call the performance variant. Really cool car from what I saw on FaceTime - and very Inexpensive. If Suzuki came back to the US selling the Jimmy and swift models only they’d make a killing.

Where in Sicily? My family is from Sciacca and Catania. Beautiful island.

I rented an Audi Q3 in Sicily, felt like a monster truck compared to all the 500s.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by Scooby-Doode

Don't need memory seats, just give me manual height/angle and lumbar adjustments. Ohh and aggressive side bolsters.

I actually prefer manual seats, but it's so damn annoying when someone moves it at a car wash, or if my wife drives.

[rallly 4]

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/dZ4vj0PZg24

22 WRX absolutely destroyed in a 40 roll vs the N

[rallly 4]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

Where in Sicily? My family is from Sciacca and Catania. Beautiful island.

I rented an Audi Q3 in Sicily, felt like a monster truck compared to all the 500s.

Mellili ! Most of our family is still there I am first generation here

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by rallly 4

Mellili ! Most of our family is still there I am first generation here

Bellissimo! We drove through the area on our way to Syracusa and Noto. We don't know of any family over there. My great/grandparents came over in the early 1900s.

[Russ_G93]

Originally Posted by rallly 4

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/dZ4vj0PZg24

22 WRX absolutely destroyed in a 40 roll vs the N

Yeapp Elantra N weighs around 3100-3200 while the WRX weighs in at 3300-3500 (Probs due to the AWD sys). Plus the Elantra N at crank has about 289ft lbs of torque while the WRX is what, 258/260?

Incomparable cars at a comparable price point

[Straight6]

Street racing is illegal and incredibly stupid. Also, one of the least reliable ways to judge a car's performance. There is zero credibility in that video and of course reported for ****posting that crap as it is against the rules.

[chanomatik]

Originally Posted by Scooby-Doode

Don't need memory seats, just give me manual height/angle and lumbar adjustments. Ohh and aggressive side bolsters.

Now you're talkin' 2024 Impreza RS. Minus aggressive side bolsters. That's BRZ/GR86.

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[neg_matnik]

Originally Posted by Russ_G93

[...]Incomparable cars at a comparable price point

That's your opinion; WRX and Elantra N are both sporty compact(ish) sedans.
Having AWD is not a requirement and it's no excuse either.
Here's my thinking, if AWD adds weight and increases drivetrain losses, then the engine needs to provide more power to compensate.
Otherwise, what's the point of having 20% more displacement than everybody else?

[chanomatik]

Originally Posted by neg_matnik

That's your opinion; WRX and Elantra N are both sporty compact(ish) sedans.
Having AWD is not a requirement and it's no excuse either.
Here's my thinking, if AWD adds weight and increases drivetrain losses, then the engine needs to provide more power to compensate.
Otherwise, what's the point of having 20% more displacement than everybody else?

What are your thoughts on advancements in engine efficiency? Do numbers always tell the whole tale? Donut Media made a video discussing how there are many modern cars that are faster than classic muscle cars and sports cars that had bigger engines and sometimes more than adequate horsepower. They just weren't nearly has efficient back in the day.

I think about this when I'm on the highway in my Impreza and zip around people when I'm already going 75+ MPH. Having owned several turbo Subies and a BRZ, I have an understanding of what "fast" feels like and how relative a sensation it tends to be. I feel like engines and cars in general have become fairly efficient, to a point where throwing tons of horsepower at it doesn't solve more problems, but instead creates more problems. The materials that comprise vehicles are relatively lightweight, but the safety standards really drag them down.

People look at the 2022 WRX on paper and exclaim it's worse because it hasn't gotten better. But reviews seem to unanimously agree that the VB is better than the VA, although it has tons of room for improvement. Do we continue crying over what the WRX isn't as opposed to focusing on what it is? Will it always be relegated to track car comparisons? Subaru obviously had no intention of making the VB track-ready. It's meant to be a capable daily driver commuter. That's it. And apparently it nails that aspect. Expecting anything else will just push you to something else that isn't the WRX.

[neg_matnik]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

What are your thoughts on advancements in engine efficiency? Do numbers always tell the whole tale? Donut Media made a video discussing how there are many modern cars that are faster than classic muscle cars and sports cars that had bigger engines and sometimes more than adequate horsepower. They just weren't nearly has efficient back in the day.

I think about this when I'm on the highway in my Impreza and zip around people when I'm already going 75+ MPH. Having owned several turbo Subies and a BRZ, I have an understanding of what "fast" feels like and how relative a sensation it tends to be. I feel like engines and cars in general have become fairly efficient, to a point where throwing tons of horsepower at it doesn't solve more problems, but instead creates more problems. The materials that comprise vehicles are relatively lightweight, but the safety standards really drag them down.

People look at the 2022 WRX on paper and exclaim it's worse because it hasn't gotten better. But reviews seem to unanimously agree that the VB is better than the VA, although it has tons of room for improvement. Do we continue crying over what the WRX isn't as opposed to focusing on what it is? Will it always be relegated to track car comparisons? Subaru obviously had no intention of making the VB track-ready. It's meant to be a capable daily driver commuter. That's it. And apparently it nails that aspect. Expecting anything else will just push you to something else that isn't the WRX.

I was just reacting to Russ's statement; he's been saying many times that AWD cars should only be compared to other AWD cars. I just happen to disagree.
So, yes, the VB is better than the VA, but, on the street, it could use more low to mid-range power.
That would also help to widen the power band since the party shuts down early at 6.1K.
Overall top end power is OK, that's not an issue.
Note that nowhere in my statement I talked about track work since that low to mid-range softness would be less apparent on track as a decent driver would be constantly working the tranny to keep the engine near peak power.
And, yes, ultimately, Subaru pushed me to something else that isn't a WRX; although, I have been trying to come back in the fold, but Subaru hasn't been making it easy

[chanomatik]

Amen to all of that. Even as a fanboi I can't get excited about anything in Subaru's line-up.

Last night a VB WRX passed me in the opposite direction. At first I noticed the headlights. Then hoodscoop. Then I looked in my sideview mirror and noticed the taillights and cladding silhouette. Looks pretty good in the dark of night.

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[SVX WRX]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

Having owned several turbo Subies and a BRZ, I have an understanding of what "fast" feels like and how relative a sensation it tends to be.

yeah, its definitely relative

[poison]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

My buddy's Suzuki Kizashi had memory seats. Does anyone even remember that car? Pepperidge Farm remembers. And Baskin Robbins always finds out.

I loved the Kizashi. It's a really good looking car, and got great reviews too.

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

+1 I love memory seats. So annoying to adjust the seat if someone else touches it. Golf R has it.

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

I actually prefer manual seats, but it's so damn annoying when someone moves it at a car wash, or if my wife drives.

Either make it fully manual, or electric with memory. Electric without memory? Annoying as HELL.

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

Yes we are. Didn't say we need a lay-z-boy. My Giulia has more aggressive seats than the WRX and it has memory.

Man, if the Giulia had a stick it would be my car. But I've never owned an auto.

[SeeeeeYa]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

Amen to all of that. Even as a fanboi I can't get excited about anything in Subaru's line-up.

Last night a VB WRX passed me in the opposite direction. At first I noticed the headlights. Then hoodscoop. Then I looked in my sideview mirror and noticed the taillights and cladding silhouette. Looks pretty good in the dark of night.

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Last Saturday I test drove a beautiful CBP ‘24 WRX. It wasn't the looks at all that made me cross it off the possible list. I liked how it looked. Tight and muscular. Nothing “clad” was visible looking at it. Front back or sideways it was attractive.

It was the exhaust that first turned me off, although when the car was brought around for me, plates on, warmed up, and fresh gasoline… It sounded great! Unfortunately, on the inside underway that sound became a mind numbing drone. Didn’t need to look yet am certain it was because it had no midpipe resonator. The same issue on my ‘15 and ‘16 WRXs. An STi midpipe cured it for them. But not buying a car knowing it has to be “fixed” immediately… again.

And while the car was obviously strong, it was relatively gutless on the bottom. In fact, I think my ‘21 Crosstrek’s FB25D would beat it off a light. IOW, same CVT-related behavior as almost always, almost because my ‘14 FXTT’s launch mode and full CVT operation without shifts was fairly quick. At any speed including standing starts. But not in 2024.

Really wanted a new ‘24 LXT. They told me it’ll be a while. Can’t even order one yet.

But no problems for me. I am happy with everything about the one I have.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by poison

Man, if the Giulia had a stick it would be my car. But I've never owned an auto.

Don't, auto sucks. The Giulia is awesome, a few quirks, but overall, I am smitten. If she was manual, I'd be set for life. I need to win the lotto so I can have a 3rd car in the stable, or the next car will be manual...I think.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by SeeeeeYa

Last Saturday I test drove a beautiful CBP ***8216;24 WRX. It wasn't the looks at all that made me cross it off the possible list. I liked how it looked. Tight and muscular. Nothing "clad" was visible looking at it. Front back or sideways it was attractive.

It was the exhaust that first turned me off, although when the car was brought around for me, plates on, warmed up, and fresh gasoline***8230; It sounded great! Unfortunately, on the inside underway that sound became a mind numbing drone. Didn't need to look yet am certain it was because it had no midpipe resonator. The same issue on my ***8216;15 and ***8216;16 WRXs. An STi midpipe cured it for them. But not buying a car knowing it has to be "fixed" immediately***8230; again.

And while the car was obviously strong, it was relatively gutless on the bottom. In fact, I think my ***8216;21 Crosstrek's FB25D would beat it off a light. IOW, same CVT-related behavior as almost always, almost because my ***8216;14 FXTT's launch mode and full CVT operation without shifts was fairly quick. At any speed including standing starts. But not in 2024.

Really wanted a new ***8216;24 LXT. They told me it'll be a while. Can't even order one yet.

But no problems for me. I am happy with everything about the one I have.

I am assuming based on the what you wrote, that you test drove a '22 WRX SPT (CVT)?

Question: Did you drive it in [S ] "Sport," [S#] "Sport Sharp," or another mode?

Default at start up in [S ] "Sport."

While in the manual it only controls throttle mapping, I believe for the SPT it does more regarding the transmission and suspension. If that is true, similar to my Giulia, any mode lower than the highest, results in sluggish/early shifts. Perhaps that is why it felt so dinky on the low-end. Manual, pg. 313.

[poison]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

Don't, auto sucks. The Giulia is awesome, a few quirks, but overall, I am smitten. If she was manual, I'd be set for life. I need to win the lotto so I can have a 3rd car in the stable, or the next car will be manual...I think.

I know it's a zf in there, which is great. I get to drive a lot of really high end cars that have zf's of equivalently great auto trans, and I can't say I miss shifting in a Urus , but it has to be a really exciting cr to override the desire for a manual.

I'd consider a Giulia, g70, 330/m340, macan, maybe a ct4-v, if I was going to break and get an auto.

The list of manual cars is very short:

WRX, elantra N, golf r, gr corolla, civic type r, used 2.0 g70 and focus RS.