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Old 12-09-2022, 12:25 PM   #8426
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ROFL, it outsold every single one of them...Combined.
Sure. That's definitely true. R/CTR/GRC have always been, or will always be, low volume cars. The wrx isn't, they produce enough that (at least when production is in full swing) they end up sitting on lots and getting discounted. Then the demographics of who buys it switches, and soon enough they're producing a sedan utility vehicle...
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Old 12-09-2022, 12:37 PM   #8427
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Sure. That's definitely true. R/CTR/GRC have always been, or will always be, low volume cars. The wrx isn't, they produce enough that (at least when production is in full swing) they end up sitting on lots and getting discounted. Then the demographics of who buys it switches, and soon enough they're producing a sedan utility vehicle...
It shows Subaru's commitment to the performance sedan segment. They don't sit on the lots at all and as I said, it outsold the competition combined. Contrary to cars like the GTI/R. VW isn't going to waste time and resources on a car with abysmal sales. That's why we won't get more here. There is little to no market for expensive hatchbacks. Besides it is dead for the next gen anyway. Subaru produces and makes the WRX available because it is a huge hit for the company. If you want to waste 60 grand on the R/GR/CTR, go for it.
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Old 12-09-2022, 12:50 PM   #8428
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It shows Subaru's commitment to the performance sedan segment. They don't sit on the lots at all and as I said, it outsold the competition combined. Contrary to cars like the GTI/R. VW isn't going to waste time and resources on a car with abysmal sales. That's why we won't get more here. There is little to no market for expensive hatchbacks. Besides it is dead for the next gen anyway. Subaru produces and makes the WRX available because it is a huge hit for the company. If you want to waste 60 grand on the R/GR/CTR, go for it.
If Subaru was really committed to performance they would have had an STI on dealership lots today.
And, as delivered in the WRX, FA24DIT doesn't really scream performance, IMO.
But, I agree, WRX is still good value for the money.
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Old 12-09-2022, 01:16 PM   #8429
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It shows Subaru's commitment to the performance sedan segment. They don't sit on the lots at all and as I said, it outsold the competition combined. Contrary to cars like the GTI/R. VW isn't going to waste time and resources on a car with abysmal sales. That's why we won't get more here. There is little to no market for expensive hatchbacks. Besides it is dead for the next gen anyway. Subaru produces and makes the WRX available because it is a huge hit for the company. If you want to waste 60 grand on the R/GR/CTR, go for it.
Where's the STI? That's the real performance sedan...

When cars demand ADM, that means there's more demand than supply. To suggest that there's little to no demand for performance hatchbacks is just silly. We don't really know what the market saturation for a performance hatchback is any more, because subaru killed the only high volume model out there. When it was being sold, it sold quicker and for more money than the sedan version, at least here in the pnw.

I've owned a golf r. I'd still own it, or be on a waiting list for a GRC, except life took me a different direction for now. I'm okay where I'm at with my vehicles for now, but intrigued in what sort of EV STI might come up with. But the wrx... I'd go buy an old wrx or sti before I ever thought about the new one...
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Old 12-09-2022, 01:20 PM   #8430
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If Subaru was really committed to performance they would have had an STI on dealership lots today.
And, as delivered in the WRX, FA24DIT doesn't really scream performance, IMO.
But, I agree, WRX is still good value for the money.
I think you should take a look at some of the tuning Prime Motoring has done on the new WRX FA24DIT. It might change some initial thoughts on the "scream performance" aspect. It needs some work still but it looks like tuning them is off to a good start.
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Old 12-09-2022, 02:06 PM   #8431
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They don't sit on the lots at all and as I said, it outsold the competition combined.
The hell they don't. All of my local dealers have 15+ sitting on the lots.

Here's the dealer closest to me. 22 on property according to their website.

https://www.subarusuperstore.com/sea...=4%20DOOR&pt=1
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Old 12-09-2022, 04:36 PM   #8432
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Haaaaa Haaaaa. Deniers gonna deny (while driving in their VW).

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Old 12-09-2022, 06:15 PM   #8433
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The hell they don't. All of my local dealers have 15+ sitting on the lots.

Here's the dealer closest to me. 22 on property according to their website.

https://www.subarusuperstore.com/sea...=4%20DOOR&pt=1



I'm not debating your point against him. Just that I'd guess sales COULD have been better had they....and I said this before.... allocated them more evenly. We don't get many and they sell within a week of getting here. We have 2 inbound and have already been delayed 2 weeks. Have 4 more in the pipeline; but, are slated for the middle of January and if the trend continues, THOSE will be delayed. Get us cars and we'll sell them. No. They want to send more than needed to higher volume dealerships. Granted, your retailer has sold 80 of them soo far. We have 25 between our two stores. And only the GT sitting on our lot.
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Old 12-09-2022, 06:44 PM   #8434
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My local has 4 (GT, 2x Premium, Base). The orange premium is inside with pictures. Clearly not flying off the lot.

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Old 12-09-2022, 06:52 PM   #8435
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I'm not debating your point against him. Just that I'd guess sales COULD have been better had they....and I said this before.... allocated them more evenly. We don't get many and they sell within a week of getting here. We have 2 inbound and have already been delayed 2 weeks. Have 4 more in the pipeline; but, are slated for the middle of January and if the trend continues, THOSE will be delayed. Get us cars and we'll sell them. No. They want to send more than needed to higher volume dealerships. Granted, your retailer has sold 80 of them soo far. We have 25 between our two stores. And only the GT sitting on our lot.
They're sitting on the lots in Seattle, and that's saying something. WRX's have traditionally flown off the lots here, usually with a "PNW Correction" ADM, even in times when ADM wasn't really a thing. They tried to add that crap onto my 2009 wrx.
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I'm not debating your point against him. Just that I'd guess sales COULD have been better had they....and I said this before.... allocated them more evenly. We don't get many and they sell within a week of getting here. We have 2 inbound and have already been delayed 2 weeks. Have 4 more in the pipeline; but, are slated for the middle of January and if the trend continues, THOSE will be delayed. Get us cars and we'll sell them. No. They want to send more than needed to higher volume dealerships. Granted, your retailer has sold 80 of them soo far. We have 25 between our two stores. And only the GT sitting on our lot.
Thatís genuinely interesting. I donít have anything against the new WRX, Iím seriously considering purchasing one as itís the only affordable performance car I can find thatís in stock. I was just refuting his assertion that theyíre flying off the shelves.
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You can chase some pipe dream of actually getting a Corolla GR or Golf R somewhere close to MSRP or you can get this WRX that comes with the proper sports car engine placement at MSRP, get some better brakes and AP and have one of the best performance sedans ever produced.
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That's right folks. Spend money on better suspension, better brakes, better tuning, better seats, better infotainment and let's not forget the diffs.

Ohhh wait, did I just describe a STi.

Right, I am gonna spend;

$2500 in Suspension
$2500 on Brakes
$2000 on Better seats
$2500 on diffs
$1000-2000 on parts/Cobb
$1000 on tuning
$1000 on infotainment
$5000 - labor

Finally I'll have a competitive 2022 WRX. Shew!
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There is really no need for diffs with this AWD system.

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They're sitting on the lots in Seattle, and that's saying something. WRX's have traditionally flown off the lots here, usually with a "PNW Correction" ADM, even in times when ADM wasn't really a thing. They tried to add that crap onto my 2009 wrx.

Wish I had a baseline to compare. Puyallup is selling them really good. While others in their same district are much lower numbers(again. No baseline). Vegas has sold more than our entire district combined. I think there's just too many variables. Fuel prices. Economy. Cost of the vehicle. It doesn't even start in the $20Ks anymore.


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That's genuinely interesting. I don't have anything against the new WRX, I'm seriously considering purchasing one as it's the only affordable performance car I can find that's in stock. I was just refuting his assertion that they're flying off the shelves.



I'm sure they are at the retailers getting few of them. And not at the ones getting overloaded with them.
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Old 12-10-2022, 11:02 AM   #8441
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You can chase some pipe dream of actually getting a Corolla GR or Golf R somewhere close to MSRP or you can get this WRX that comes with the proper sports car engine placement at MSRP, get some better brakes and AP and have one of the best performance sedans ever produced.
The troll status here is amazing. Winner winner.
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The troll status here is amazing. Winner winner.
Yup. Just drove my popís 2010 Vette Grand Sport 6MT down in FL today. That 6.2L over the axle rips.
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Old 12-10-2022, 05:30 PM   #8443
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The hell they don't. All of my local dealers have 15+ sitting on the lots.

Here's the dealer closest to me. 22 on property according to their website.

https://www.subarusuperstore.com/sea...=4%20DOOR&pt=1
Just checked that website. There's only 9 actually on the lot. The rest are "in transit" could be quite some time before they show up. In the North East, there's only 5 between 4 major dealerships. New England is prime Subaru country and we hardly have any on the lots.
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Just checked that website. There's only 9 actually on the lot. The rest are "in transit" could be quite some time before they show up. In the North East, there's only 5 between 4 major dealerships. New England is prime Subaru country and we hardly have any on the lots.
What you have to add to that, though, is how many have they sold? Give me specific markets and I can check.
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There is really no need for diffs with this AWD system.
There is 100% a need for a LSD, especially in the rear.

The "torque vectoring" feature on the WRX is garbage, and is on the front wheels only. Good for burning your brakes and not much else.

There isn't a brake-actuated simulated LSD at all. The only thing that the WRX has is brake-actuated traction control, which does nothing more than slow a spinning wheel down, and stability control.

There is NOTHING on these cars that even comes close to a proper LSD. It's a pretty junk system IMO. The only thing it has going for it is the limited-slip CENTER diff and 50/50 power distribution.

Now if you're driving to the grocery store in stop and go traffic like 99% of drivers without any competitive driving skills, then yes, the 1980s-inspired AWD system on the WRX is fine.

For those of us who like to hoon our cars in snow and drive competitively, the lack of an LSD is definitely a downside and the current AWD setup is not even close to being a good compromise. Why Subaru stopped putting an LSD in the rear of the WRX is beyond comprehension.
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I wish there was a "Like" button.

Also Subaru nixed the LSD on the WRX due to cost, and possibly to keep the STI more exclusive.
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Nah, no need for added weight, complexity and costs with this AWD system. For FWD based reactive system, sure but here it isn't a deal breaker.
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Yeah, that's probably why the WRX kept the smaller calipers instead of getting the ones from the Ascent.
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Nah, no need for added weight, complexity and costs with this AWD system. For FWD based reactive system, sure but here it isn't a deal breaker.
Tell me you don't understand awd systems without telling me...
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There is nothing to understand. There is no need for any trick diffs in the WRX. Keep it simple. The AWD is second to none.
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