2022 Subaru WRX Official Announcement *Merged*

[20WRX20]

Originally Posted by Straight6

Nah, no need for added weight, complexity and costs with this AWD system. For FWD based reactive system, sure but here it isn't a deal breaker.

Added weight? The difference between the R167 and an aftermarket LSD is negligible. I’d gladly pay the extra 1k to have a factory LSD. From a complexity standpoint, there really isn’t much to them, and they will easily last the life of the car.

Let me guess, you’re a 2022 owner, sipping the “symmetrical AWD” kool-aid while posting pictures of your car to Instagram in a further attempt at glamorizing an otherwise boring family sedan. “The cladding isn’t that bad!” you post as you seek confirmation bias regarding your $35,000 Forester sedan purchase.

You are 100% ill-informed if you think open diffs are OK on a WRX.

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[Straight6]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I like the car the way it is.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by 20WRX20

Added weight? The difference between the R167 and an aftermarket LSD is negligible. I’d gladly pay the extra 1k to have a factory LSD. From a complexity standpoint, there really isn’t much to them, and they will easily last the life of the car.

Let me guess, you’re a 2022 owner, sipping the “symmetrical AWD” kool-aid while posting pictures of your car to Instagram in a further attempt at glamorizing an otherwise boring family sedan. “The cladding isn’t that bad!” you post as you seek confirmation bias regarding your $35,000 Forester sedan purchase.

You are 100% ill-informed if you think open diffs are OK on a WRX.

Oh. You haven't been watching. He chides those on here for complaining when they won't even buy one(even if it were something to like), yet, DOESN'T own one either. Without answering direct questions to, at least, when he's going to buy one.

[rallly 4]

Straight6 you are a pest to this website. You’ve never even given Subaru a dollar of your money. Absolute troll of a person

[blurred]

Originally Posted by Straight6

There is nothing to understand. There is no need for any trick diffs in the WRX. Keep it simple. The AWD is second to none.

This system leaves you stuck in the snow with only 2 wheels spinning. Open diffs make awd into 2wd

[Pre]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

Oh. You haven't been watching. He chides those on here for complaining when they won't even buy one(even if it were something to like), yet, DOESN'T own one either. Without answering direct questions to, at least, when he's going to buy one.

1000%. 20WRX added what he wants, which isn’t ridiculous. Simple LSD’s like Torsens don’t cost that much, don’t add that much weight, and provide excellent functionality. It’s called customer feedback. As in “Hey SOA please provide us with a performance package option for the WRX for a decent price”. They could do that, fix the rear bumper prolapse, body colored fender flares, and figure out a way to add 400 revs, to maybe 600 revs, and a lot of people would be happy and buy.

[Scooby-Doode]

[quote=D-Rodman;46804819]

Originally Posted by Scooby-Doode

Cool. LMK when I can swing by to check out the bug eye. You can start planning the transition to this sooner.

Dude, the bugeye is pure magic now that I have a vf34 turbo and an exquisite tune. It will never be for sale as long as I can keep driving it. I just turned 58, should be driving a lexus but I can't get myself there. The GD runs deep in the veins.

Originally Posted by Pre

1000%. 20WRX added what he wants, which isn’t ridiculous. Simple LSD’s like Torsens don’t cost that much, don’t add that much weight, and provide excellent functionality. It’s called customer feedback. As in “Hey SOA please provide us with a performance package option for the WRX for a decent price”. They could do that, fix the rear bumper prolapse, body colored fender flares, and figure out a way to add 400 revs, to maybe 600 revs, and a lot of people would be happy and buy.

They do the above and I am ready to seriously consider the WRX, in red or white with Gold wheels to boot.

Performance Pack:
-LSD's
-Bilstein shocks/STI Pinks
-Paint the damn cladding
-Bring red line to 7000
-Fix that abomination that is the rear bumper
-Chrome S4 mirror caps
-WRX Tuned by STI badge

I won't even care for the double din POS entertainment system.

[D-Rodman]

It should also have direct and port injection.


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[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

I wish there was a "Like" button.

Also Subaru nixed the LSD on the WRX due to cost, and possibly to keep the STI more exclusive.

100% want a like button (then this post wouldn't exist).

Originally Posted by Straight6

Nah, no need for added weight, complexity and costs with this AWD system. For FWD based reactive system, sure but here it isn't a deal breaker.

The rear diff that used to come with the WRX was not what you are thinking. The center diff was still viscous coupling 50:50, and the rear diff was also VC. That rear diff, which I had in my 2005, was nice, but slow to react. The STI has a TorSen rear LSD. My Giulia has a clutch-pack based rear LSD (optional item). It would help the WRX with rear traction, which an open diff can't do (only works with traction control activating). The weight is minimal, and the benefits are there. Not saying the VC is the best option. Torque Vectoring rear diff would be very cool, but again, that's not what they are asking for.

Does the current system work? Sure. Could it be better, yes. A rear LSD is a simple fix.

Originally Posted by dwf137

Tell me you don't understand awd systems without telling me...

Originally Posted by Straight6

There is nothing to understand. There is no need for any trick diffs in the WRX. Keep it simple. The AWD is second to none.

Like I said above, not trick, just not open. Just prevent slipping of one wheel, without (or later) traction control intervention. WRX had it pre-MY2008.

Originally Posted by blurred

This system leaves you stuck in the snow with only 2 wheels spinning. Open diffs make awd into 2wd

That's a bit of a stretch. The center differential retains 50:50 torque, but the open diff requires traction control to prevent all of the power from going to one wheel on the slipping axle. Nothing is 100% perfect, but an LSD would be beneficial.

[Ultimateone]

Originally Posted by jayt1989

Just checked that website. There's only 9 actually on the lot. The rest are "in transit" could be quite some time before they show up. In the North East, there's only 5 between 4 major dealerships. New England is prime Subaru country and we hardly have any on the lots.

Was at Wakefield Subaru last Friday and there were tons at the dealer, the salesman said they come and go in spurts and aren't that hot.

[ayau]

yall don't need an lsd to do highway pulls against v6 camrys.

an open diff would be better for street pulls anyway. less weight, less drivetrain loss etc.

just use the factory track mode to engage the brakes when you feel you can slip the wheels in a turn.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by ayau

yall don't need an lsd to do highway pulls against v6 camrys.

an open diff would be better for street pulls anyway. less weight, less drivetrain loss etc.

just use the factory track mode to engage the brakes when you feel you can slip the wheels in a turn.

LSD is for applying more power to a rear tire and rotating the rear axle. The stock system brakes the front wheels to help turn in. None of this has to do with straight line performance in the dry.

[ayau]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

LSD is for applying more power to a rear tire and rotating the rear axle. The stock system brakes the front wheels to help turn in. None of this has to do with straight line performance in the dry.

you're not pushing the limits of the tires on public roads. if you are, get some RE71R.

even if you take the STI with its LSD to the track, it still understeers. the car is a pig.

all im saying is, for 99% of the STI owners, they couldn't even tell a car with or without an LSD.

[dwf137]

The wrx hasn't had a rear diff since 2008, but there was the STI for people who wanted "one of the best performance" cars. And that made sense, the wrx was the cheap commuter car that didn't really need the better awd system. It was a bargain at the price point as long as you were willing to sacrifice a few things.

But now we have no sti, and the top trim wrx is pushing $45K... The value proposition is completely lost, and there is no superior but more expensive version to jump to if you want something more capable. If you want to jump to something more expensive all you get is a CVT transmission...

[ayau]

the 30k base trim is still a bargain. there's no competition.

at 35k+, you might as well get a gr corolla.

sti is dead. you can talk about it all you want but subaru isn't bringing it back for this generation. the 22+ wrx is 90% of the sti in real world usage. less than 1% sti owners actually take their car to the track.

[ayau]

the 30k base trim is still a bargain. there's no competition.

at 35k+, you might as well get a gr corolla. even then, it's still an understeer pig based on reviews. the gr corolla is a safer car than the gr yaris and more understeer prone car.

sti is dead. you can talk about it all you want but subaru isn't bringing it back for this generation. the 22+ wrx is 90% of the sti in real world usage. less than 1% sti owners actually take their car to the track.

[dwf137]

Originally Posted by ayau

the 30k base trim is still a bargain. there's no competition.

I feel for anyone who pays 30K+ to look at this stereo system...

There's definitely no competition there... that's by far the worst designed interior I've ever seen at that price point. I'd take capacitive buttons and all that over a fisher price interior like this.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by ayau

you're not pushing the limits of the tires on public roads. if you are, get some RE71R.

even if you take the STI with its LSD to the track, it still understeers. the car is a pig.

all im saying is, for 99% of the STI owners, they couldn't even tell a car with or without an LSD.

You were talking about racing a Camry from a roll. That has nothing to do with an LSD.

STI always had 3 diffs, which made it special. Differentials are found on performance cars. Open diffs are on transportation. A rear LSD is always better, whether or not you can tell when it is functioning. GRC is special bc of its differentials and adjustability.

[samagon]

most cars have a differential.

whether they are open, helical, mechanical, or viscous, that's what makes the difference.

I know what you meant, but I'm a pedant.

and to anyone hoping to get a GRCorolla at 35k, hahaha.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by samagon

most cars have a differential.

whether they are open, helical, mechanical, or viscous, that's what makes the difference.

I know what you meant, but I'm a pedant.

and to anyone hoping to get a GRCorolla at 35k, hahaha.

Yes, a limited slip differential is found on performance cars and open differentials are on transportation. As in, a to be, commuter cars (and the WRX or any other sporty car trying to save money and just use traction control/vdc/esp/etc.).

[ayau]

Originally Posted by dwf137

I feel for anyone who pays 30K+ to look at this stereo system...

There's definitely no competition there... that's by far the worst designed interior I've ever seen at that price point. I'd take capacitive buttons and all that over a fisher price interior like this.

lol it's 30k. let's be realistic. until there's a legitimate competitor for 30k, it doesn't really matter.

it's an ugly/cheap subaru. the 30k fits the cheap theme lol.

only thing worth looking at is the new 2.4 turbo motor. way undertuned from the factory with a lot of potential. what else comes close at 30k?

[ayau]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

You were talking about racing a Camry from a roll. That has nothing to do with an LSD.

STI always had 3 diffs, which made it special. Differentials are found on performance cars. Open diffs are on transportation. A rear LSD is always better, whether or not you can tell when it is functioning. GRC is special bc of its differentials and adjustability.

was just being facetious. these cars are just being roll raced with civic si etc.

don't get me wrong, who wouldn't want a factory lsd. at +8-10k over the base wrx for an sti, i just don't know if the value is there when 99% of the sti owners can't push their cars to the limit to reap the benefits of an lsd.

[ayau]

finally:
https://www.cobbtuning.com/accesstun...0z4iv_55g_2Uq4

now let's see what these t00ners can really do.

[ayau]

finally:
https://www.cobbtuning.com/accesstun...0z4iv_55g_2Uq4

now let's see what these t00ners can really do.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by ayau

was just being facetious. these cars are just being roll raced with civic si etc.

don't get me wrong, who wouldn't want a factory lsd. at +8-10k over the base wrx for an sti, i just don't know if the value is there when 99% of the sti owners can't push their cars to the limit to reap the benefits of an lsd.

I think the point was, a 2002 WRX for ~$24,000 came with a rear LSD, so it would be nice if it still did.

Not saying it is required, but it's nice to have. I know my 2005 WRX rotated a lot better in snow than my 2008 or 2011.

The STI was overkill for normal life, I had one, but that was the point of it.