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Old 12-18-2022, 10:42 PM   #8651
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How much more power did this make on the FA24 versus a similarly modded/tuned FA20? I’d be all for this if it didn’t void the warranty.

That’s cool and all, but I’m not spending $40,000 on a WRX and then putting an aftermarket tune on it. I want that power from the factory. With a 5-year warranty. Unfortunately we’ll never get that, so we’re stuck with aftermarket. Sucks.

For 2023 they didn’t even fix the plastic. It’s clear the direction Subaru is going in. EVs, hybrids, and boring plain appliances that cater to the outdoorsy hikers and instagrammers. My 2020 was my first Subaru and it’ll be my last.

This new leadership gave a big FU to the enthusiasts who made the company into what it is today. It sucks because the WRX is the only car in its price range that is fun, AWD and holds its value. I just can’t drive that 2022+. The design is truly one of the worst in automotive history - up there with the Pontiac Aztec.
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Old 12-18-2022, 10:53 PM   #8652
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How much more power did this make on the FA24 versus a similarly modded/tuned FA20? I’d be all for this if it didn’t void the warranty.

That’s cool and all, but I’m not spending $40,000 on a WRX and then putting an aftermarket tune on it. I want that power from the factory. With a 5-year warranty. Unfortunately we’ll never get that, so we’re stuck with aftermarket. Sucks.

For 2023 they didn’t even fix the plastic. It’s clear the direction Subaru is going in. EVs, hybrids, and boring plain appliances that cater to the outdoorsy hikers and instagrammers. My 2020 was my first Subaru and it’ll be my last.

This new leadership gave a big FU to the enthusiasts who made the company into what it is today. It sucks because the WRX is the only car in its price range that is fun, AWD and holds its value. I just can’t drive that 2022+. The design is truly one of the worst in automotive history - up there with the Pontiac Aztec.
FA24DIT makes about 40-50 more whp than a similarly tuned FA20DIT given 0.4L more displacement but that’s not the best part. The FA24DIT has way beefier rods so br0tuners pushing way higher wtq numbers anything more than 350wtq on the FA20DIT made tuners uneasy

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Old 12-18-2022, 11:16 PM   #8653
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How do you know the rods are beefier?

This is good news either way. This leaves room for hopes of a higher performance variant with the FA24. Knowing Subaru it’ll never happen, but one can dream.
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Old 12-19-2022, 07:53 AM   #8654
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Any updates from Phatbotti ?
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Old 12-19-2022, 09:24 AM   #8655
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How do you know the rods are beefier?

This is good news either way. This leaves room for hopes of a higher performance variant with the FA24. Knowing Subaru it’ll never happen, but one can dream.
https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2907007 Prime motoring dissected one
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Old 12-19-2022, 11:28 AM   #8656
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Any updates from Phatbotti ?
i emailed him a few days ago. he said it'll be another 1-2 months before he offers tuning services. he needs some time to do internal testing.
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Old 12-19-2022, 11:40 AM   #8657
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How much more power did this make on the FA24 versus a similarly modded/tuned FA20? I’d be all for this if it didn’t void the warranty.

That’s cool and all, but I’m not spending $40,000 on a WRX and then putting an aftermarket tune on it. I want that power from the factory. With a 5-year warranty. Unfortunately we’ll never get that, so we’re stuck with aftermarket. Sucks.

For 2023 they didn’t even fix the plastic. It’s clear the direction Subaru is going in. EVs, hybrids, and boring plain appliances that cater to the outdoorsy hikers and instagrammers. My 2020 was my first Subaru and it’ll be my last.

This new leadership gave a big FU to the enthusiasts who made the company into what it is today. It sucks because the WRX is the only car in its price range that is fun, AWD and holds its value. I just can’t drive that 2022+. The design is truly one of the worst in automotive history - up there with the Pontiac Aztec.
the wrx is still the cheapest engine tuning platform at 30k base. this is real tuning, not that lame piggyback stuff. even more of a bargain with the fa24.

for 1k (AP + tune), you can get 400tq on pump gas. what other car gets you that?
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Old 12-19-2022, 11:41 AM   #8658
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i mean, that's an ascent motor which puts out more torque and is rated to tow. Reasonable to assume the wrx got the same build, but no guarantee.
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Old 12-19-2022, 11:45 AM   #8659
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the wrx is still the cheapest engine tuning platform at 30k base. this is real tuning, not that lame piggyback stuff. even more of a bargain with the fa24.

for 1k (AP + tune), you can get 400tq on pump gas. what other car gets you that?
Ford Mustang Ecoboost.
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Old 12-19-2022, 11:57 AM   #8660
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Ford Mustang Ecoboost.
personal preference but i need 4 doors and awd for car seat and winter.
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Old 12-19-2022, 12:03 PM   #8661
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personal preference but i need 4 doors and awd for car seat and winter.
Oh I know, I prefer my hiking boot, but similar as far as liters, and I think the Turbos are nearly similar performance and stress-test wise. I always said id venture into a mustang if they made an AWD version. Looks like it won't be happening ICE wise. Wish they kept the Focus ST going.
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Old 12-19-2022, 12:15 PM   #8662
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i emailed him a few days ago. he said it'll be another 1-2 months before he offers tuning services. he needs some time to do internal testing.
Awesome, thanks. It will be worth the wait, his tunes are second to none.
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Old 12-19-2022, 12:28 PM   #8663
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Awesome, thanks. It will be worth the wait, his tunes are second to none.
his site says his dyno cell is closed. not sure if he's doing street tuning on his own 22 wrx or something.
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Old 12-19-2022, 12:30 PM   #8664
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it doesn't look like grimmspeed is working on a j pipe on this platform yet. they're usually pretty open about things theyre prototyping. what's up with that?
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Old 12-19-2022, 03:38 PM   #8665
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it doesn't look like grimmspeed is working on a j pipe on this platform yet. they're usually pretty open about things theyre prototyping. what's up with that?
EPA and CARB. That's what's up.
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Old 12-19-2022, 03:42 PM   #8666
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EPA and CARB. That's what's up.
Just do what ETS is doing and don't sell to California lol
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How much more power did this make on the FA24 versus a similarly modded/tuned FA20? I'd be all for this if it didn't void the warranty.

That's cool and all, but I'm not spending $40,000 on a WRX and then putting an aftermarket tune on it. I want that power from the factory. With a 5-year warranty. Unfortunately we'll never get that, so we're stuck with aftermarket. Sucks.

For 2023 they didn't even fix the plastic. It's clear the direction Subaru is going in. EVs, hybrids, and boring plain appliances that cater to the outdoorsy hikers and instagrammers. My 2020 was my first Subaru and it'll be my last.

This new leadership gave a big FU to the enthusiasts who made the company into what it is today. It sucks because the WRX is the only car in its price range that is fun, AWD and holds its value. I just can't drive that 2022+. The design is truly one of the worst in automotive history - up there with the Pontiac Aztec.
40k is pretty much the new 30k. 2020, We had Ford F150 XLT's going for 44-46k on the lot, with Rebates to be added. Now an XLT is 59-61. Economically, the car is still in range historically in terms of cost to build. There's always the 52k Corolla GR, a Mazda 3 (45k), Audi A4 (40-50k), Audi A3/S3 (45-60k) etc.
That A4 is rocking a 2.0liter still, starts at 39K and for the 45 TFSI, drivetrain starts at $50,900.
For a turbo, 6speed Manual, AWD vehicle with one of the highest resale values for a "Sports Sedan" According to KBB as well as included safety tech - WRX still dominates the Price Segment. Im not a fan of the cladding, but ive no complaints since my road is a half mile long dirt/gravel that obtains about 2.5 feet of snow off and on in the winter months. The 2.4 is stout and honest to God, So much better than the 2.0. Will only have more fun when I decide to obtain a Accessport and let Snail Performance do their thing. If I was more Rich, i'd skip all this and just drive an RS3. If the EVO GSR / MR was still a thing, Id be in a 2022 version of those (Tbh).

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Old 12-19-2022, 04:14 PM   #8668
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Just do what ETS is doing and don't sell to California lol
Or, again, get a car with an engine that doesn't need to lose its OEM downpipe/J-pipe to make serious power on pump gas .
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Or, again, get a car with an engine that doesn't need to lose its OEM downpipe/J-pipe to make serious power on pump gas .
like which cars?
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40k is pretty much the new 30k. 2020, We had Ford F150 XLT's going for 44-46k on the lot, with Rebates to be added. Now an XLT is 59-61. Economically, the car is still in range historically in terms of cost to build. There's always the 52k Corolla GR, a Mazda 3 (45k), Audi A4 (40-50k), Audi A3/S3 (45-60k) etc.
That A4 is rocking a 2.0liter still, starts at 39K and for the 45 TFSI, drivetrain starts at $50,900.
For a turbo, 6speed Manual, AWD vehicle with one of the highest resale values for a "Sports Sedan" According to KBB as well as included safety tech - WRX still dominates the Price Segment. Im not a fan of the cladding, but ive no complaints since my road is a half mile long dirt/gravel that obtains about 2.5 feet of snow off and on in the winter months. The 2.4 is stout and honest to God, So much better than the 2.0. Will only have more fun when I decide to obtain a Accessport and let Snail Performance do their thing. If I was more Rich, i'd skip all this and just drive an RS3. If the EVO GSR / MR was still a thing, Id be in a 2022 version of those (Tbh).
you can buy 2 wrx for the price of 1 rs3 lol

but yes, awd, turbo, decent interior space. wrx dominates that 30k price point.

gr corolla is close for 6-8k more and if you're willing to give up on some space and tuning potential.
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gr corolla is close for 6-8k more and if you're willing to give up on some space and tuning potential.
GR is sweet just because its out of the box power that you "Shouldn't" really need to do much to. Subaru wishes they had this sentiment lol. Well maybe they accomplished it with the Outback XT and the STI.
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Or, again, get a car with an engine that doesn't need to lose its OEM downpipe/J-pipe to make serious power on pump gas .
He did, he has a '22 WRX. Swing and a miss .
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GR is sweet just because its out of the box power that you "Shouldn't" really need to do much to. Subaru wishes they had this sentiment lol. Well maybe they accomplished it with the Outback XT and the STI.
Sure but you can’t buy a GR corolla today for sticker lol. Maybe in 2 years.
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40k is pretty much the new 30k. 2020, We had Ford F150 XLT's going for 44-46k on the lot, with Rebates to be added. Now an XLT is 59-61. Economically, the car is still in range historically in terms of cost to build. There's always the 52k Corolla GR, a Mazda 3 (45k), Audi A4 (40-50k), Audi A3/S3 (45-60k) etc.
That A4 is rocking a 2.0liter still, starts at 39K and for the 45 TFSI, drivetrain starts at $50,900.
For a turbo, 6speed Manual, AWD vehicle with one of the highest resale values for a "Sports Sedan" According to KBB as well as included safety tech - WRX still dominates the Price Segment. Im not a fan of the cladding, but ive no complaints since my road is a half mile long dirt/gravel that obtains about 2.5 feet of snow off and on in the winter months. The 2.4 is stout and honest to God, So much better than the 2.0. Will only have more fun when I decide to obtain a Accessport and let Snail Performance do their thing. If I was more Rich, i'd skip all this and just drive an RS3. If the EVO GSR / MR was still a thing, Id be in a 2022 version of those (Tbh).
One of the main reasons I bought my car is because of the resale.

The depreciation on Audis (or really any luxury car for that matter) is ridiculous. Even if you only drive the car 4,000 miles a year you're going to lose 4-5k a year in depreciation. Put the average 12,000 miles/year on it and it's even worse.

By comparison, a WRX loses (on average) about 1k per year, if that. I love the Audi S4 but I'm not about to piss away 5k a year on a car that sits in the garage 90% of the time. The best part about the WRX IMO is the resale. They're desirable cars (especially in the snow belt) and hard to find, especially ones that were kept stock and well taken care of.
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One of the main reasons I bought my car is because of the resale.

The depreciation on Audis (or really any luxury car for that matter) is ridiculous. Even if you only drive the car 4,000 miles a year you're going to lose 4-5k a year in depreciation. Put the average 12,000 miles/year on it and it's even worse.

By comparison, a WRX loses (on average) about 1k per year, if that. I love the Audi S4 but I'm not about to piss away 5k a year on a car that sits in the garage 90% of the time. The best part about the WRX IMO is the resale. They're desirable cars (especially in the snow belt) and hard to find, especially ones that were kept stock and well taken care of.
the gr corolla will have better resale than the wrx if you can find one at msrp and isn't loaded up with useless accessories.

i bought 2 fk8 type r and sold them both at no loss, even after taking into account sales tax.
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