Next Gen STI Canceled

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by rallly 4

05-06 the sti was close at about 4.3 or 4.4 from some reviews

I don't believe it ever dropped below 4.8 for the STI (magazines). 2009 WRX was 4.7, thanks to 5MT vs 6MT.

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[dwf137]

My first and only wrx was a 2009 wrx that I got tuned. **** was fast even with the minor mods I put on it. Was probably in the low 4's for 0-60. It was about as fast as my golf R, maybe a smidge faster, just no where near as nice to drive. Probably why I'm so disappointed with subaru's current offering.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by dwf137

My first and only wrx was a 2009 wrx that I got tuned. **** was fast even with the minor mods I put on it. Was probably in the low 4's for 0-60. It was about as fast as my golf R, maybe a smidge faster, just no where near as nice to drive. Probably why I'm so disappointed with subaru's current offering.

Maybe this should be a PM, but what was better about the R (DSG?)? Or are we just talking fit/finish?

[Russ_G93]

Originally Posted by samagon

I thought all the reviewers were like "best stock tune ever"?

Premature

[Russ_G93]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

Model 3 LR AWD does 0-60 in 4.2 seconds, before the paid-for boost. No stock WRX has ever touched that number. VB is about 2 seconds slower.

Its strange they would use the tesla for benchmarking to begin with. Handling? Dimension body roll? Couldve just used an Audi S3 or something. Probably had to do with weight distribution balance. A flat Battery layout vs Boobaru's "flat-low engine block, awd architecture."

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by Russ_G93

Its strange they would use the tesla for benchmarking to begin with. Handling? Dimension body roll? Couldve just used an Audi S3 or something. Probably had to do with weight distribution balance. A flat Battery layout vs Boobaru's "flat-low engine block, awd architecture."

Probably just them chasing each other in Cali canyons. Still, it gave us hope of a really quick car.

[dwf137]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

Maybe this should be a PM, but what was better about the R (DSG?)? Or are we just talking fit/finish?

I had the manual, not dsg. Fit and finish were leaps and bounds better and definitely fit what I wanted better... but it just overall felt "tighter" when driving. The 2009 wrx was a freaking boat stock. So much body roll. Some suspension mods helped but it still just always felt really "loose" on the road. Chassis was really upset when hitting bumps in corners, etc. where as the R was smooth and steady. People knock the R for not feeling as "engaging" but I honestly think that's a load of BS. My R was way more engaging and fun to drive compared to my wrx. And it didn't sound and feel like I was driving a tin-can down the road... Granted, I'm talking a 2009 wrx and a 2018 golf R, so that's 9 years of improvement and I know the modern WRX's are better...

Definitely regret selling my R. Probably won't pick up another one though, I'm going to keep enjoying my motorcycle and I'll get rid of the Leaf when a proper sporty EV hits the market.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by dwf137

I had the manual, not dsg. Fit and finish were leaps and bounds better and definitely fit what I wanted better... but it just overall felt "tighter" when driving. The 2009 wrx was a freaking boat stock. So much body roll. Some suspension mods helped but it still just always felt really "loose" on the road. Chassis was really upset when hitting bumps in corners, etc. where as the R was smooth and steady. People knock the R for not feeling as "engaging" but I honestly think that's a load of BS. My R was way more engaging and fun to drive compared to my wrx. And it didn't sound and feel like I was driving a tin-can down the road... Granted, I'm talking a 2009 wrx and a 2018 golf R, so that's 9 years of improvement and I know the modern WRX's are better...

Definitely regret selling my R. Probably won't pick up another one though, I'm going to keep enjoying my motorcycle and I'll get rid of the Leaf when a proper sporty EV hits the market.

Thanks for the recap. Makes sense to me, as someone that owned a 2008 and 2011. I am still debating '24 Mk8 R, '24 WRX or a used '21 STI. I regret selling my '18 STI.

[Russ_G93]

Id say, don't get the 24' Rex if it still looks like a Hiking boot and 0-60 is above 5.5, unless you're maybe wanting do the aftermarket grind again, some of my buddies have gotten their VB's monstrously different since the Cobb Tuning update was released. -*Says the guy that likes hiking boots* lmao.
I mean we never know, they could release some crazy STI that blows our socks off. The Golf R all around is great. They always do well with the sex appeal of the shape and curves. 'Cept those damn interior steering and dash buttons - *Says the guy dealing with Boobaru's 11.6in screen madness*

[4S-TURBO]

What's a Golf R? Haven't seen one since Covid.

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by 4S-TURBO

What's a Golf R? Haven't seen one since Covid.

I don't know, I think maybe 3 or 4 of them came over on a boat maybe.

[rallly 4]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

I don't believe it ever dropped below 4.8 for the STI (magazines). 2009 WRX was 4.7, thanks to 5MT vs 6MT.

Yeah after 2008 maybe

All the 04-07 reviews with professional drivers always got a sub 4.7 second time. Here’s a 4.5 from motortrend on an 06

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/rally-cars/amp/

[rallly 4]

Originally Posted by 4S-TURBO

What's a Golf R? Haven't seen one since Covid.

They have only
Produced about 600 so far for the 22 MY

[SoDealer]

Originally Posted by rallly 4

Is there a way to upload screen shots here?

Edit Nevermind. Not worth it to impress a bunch of random people. Believe my word, the car was built and production ready. I’m sure one or two is still
Intact in Japan

Are you insinuating you have pictures of the stillborn STI?

[JRodrigues]

Confirmed FA24 engine.

[JRodrigues]

An aero texture has been added to the front bumper and roof

[JRodrigues]

An aero texture has been added to the front bumper and roof

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by Russ_G93

Id say, don't get the 24' Rex if it still looks like a Hiking boot and 0-60 is above 5.5, unless you're maybe wanting do the aftermarket grind again, some of my buddies have gotten their VB's monstrously different since the Cobb Tuning update was released. -*Says the guy that likes hiking boots* lmao.
I mean we never know, they could release some crazy STI that blows our socks off. The Golf R all around is great. They always do well with the sex appeal of the shape and curves. 'Cept those damn interior steering and dash buttons - *Says the guy dealing with Boobaru's 11.6in screen madness*

I don't expect an STI, ever again (manual). If the '24 as a '09 renaissance, then I'd consider it. Paint the fenders, brembos, recaros, quicker and add the dampers.

I don't mind the touch screen and haptic stuff. I own a Tesla...

Originally Posted by 4S-TURBO

What's a Golf R? Haven't seen one since Covid.

Lol, if you head over to VWVortex there are a ton of owners with cars. They are just near impossible to get on the lot. They already started delivering 2023 model years.

Originally Posted by rallly 4

Yeah after 2008 maybe

All the 04-07 reviews with professional drivers always got a sub 4.7 second time. Here’s a 4.5 from motortrend on an 06

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/rally-cars/amp/

Thanks, I didn't recall those glorious days. Unfortunately, still no where near as quick as the Model 3 LR AWD. So, the plot continues for the VB.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

What I always found interesting was the VB WRX was seen benchmark testing against a Model 3. The VB, as is, doesn't touch a Model 3 in performance. So... is more coming, or was that secretly an STI (the brake calipers were the WRX, not Brembo)?

Originally Posted by 4S-TURBO

What's a Golf R? Haven't seen one since Covid.

Saw one couple days ago while at the station. Not sure what year. Looked newer though.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by samagon

yes, they do, and they do all the time.

it's completely silly to argue about. some random drawing on the internet does not trump Merriam Webster, Oxford English Dictionary, or even Dictionary.com, or Wikipedia.

so yeah, if you look at any dictionary in the world, the definition never includes anything about the length of overhang, or any other characteristics like that. it's simply an extra opening into the cabin, or a rear window that opens with the rear deck lid.

I'll grant you that there are characteristics that USUALLY comprise a hatchback, and one of those will be overhang, but overhang vs a sedan counterpart is absolutely not required to define a hatchback.

and absolutely, a liftback is a type of hatchback. a fastback does not mean that the car is a hatchback (see 1960s Mustang fastback), but a fastback may be a liftback, and thus a hatchback.

I'm only trying to give you knowledge so you won't look silly at car meets. most people will be polite and nod when you try to use some silly rules to overcomplicate the terms a car company uses to define their vehicles, but rest assured, as soon as you turn around a knowledgeable car person will laugh at you.

but by all means, you do you boo.

What would you call this then?



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[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by JRodrigues

Confirmed FA24 engine.

How can you tell? That looks like a bespoke engine. I'm not familiar with the FA24 nuances.

[JRodrigues]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

How can you tell? That looks like a bespoke engine. I'm not familiar with the FA24 nuances.

https://www.as-web.jp/overseas/891411?all

Aiming to raise reliability, improve steering stability, and improve turning speed, the new vehicle has a newly developed body and suspension based on the SGP (Subaru Global Platform). A new 2.4-liter direct-injection turbo engine for racing, based on the FA24 engine, is being developed with the aim of producing over 380 horsepower.

And reading through various tweets.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by JRodrigues

https://www.as-web.jp/overseas/891411?all



And reading through various tweets.

Thanks!

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

Oh, really.

[Russ_G93]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

What would you call this then?



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Thing reminds me of an old Hyundai Excel or a Ford Laser lol