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Old 05-09-2023, 04:56 AM   #1
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2024 Toyota Tacoma will have a manual transmission option
The latest teaser shows off a trio of pedals
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In a teaser rollout beginning to rival that of the original Dodge Challenger Demon's, we have the latest on the 2024 Toyota Tacoma. This week's is a bit more substantial with the reveal that the manual transmission has survived to the newest generation. It's a not a gear knob but rather a trio of pedals with either aluminum or stainless steel covers. Toyota did confirm that the transmission has six gears.

This is a genuine surprise for the truck and the segment. No other midsize pickup has a stick on offer. The Nissan Frontier and Chevy Colorado did a few years ago, though the latter only offered it with two-wheel-drive and the four-cylinder engine.

What engines the manual will be paired with is a big question with no answer yet. The sporty pedal caps shown in the image suggest that it won't just be restricted to work-truck-spec models with the weakest engine and least features at least. But we know that the Tacoma will be offered with hybrid powertrains, and we can't remember any hybrids with traditional manuals since the Honda CR-Z, which has us wondering if one or both of the current engines will be updated and carried over to use with the stick.

Another big question is when the truck will actually be revealed. Despite the multitude to teasers, we still don't have a date. We're certainly hoping its just a couple weeks away, because either the teasers will have to start getting more granular about features, or they'll have basically revealed the truck before, well, the reveal.

But we do know it's a 2024 model that will probably go on sale this year or early next year. It will have at least one hybrid powertrain, as previously mentioned. There will be both a TRD Pro model and something called a Trailhunter with fancy off-road parts from ARB. Also, there will be an available built-in removable Bluetooth speaker, which is neat, though not quite as consequential as powertrains and trim levels. We're sure we'll hear more about the new Tacoma next Tuesday, too, so stay tuned to the teaser trickle.......

UPDATE: Surprise! We've got a bonus 2024 Toyota Tacoma teaser this week. And now there's an end in sight for the teasers: May 19. That's when we'll finally see the midsize pickup truck revealed. Weirdly, that's a Friday, and not a Tuesday, which has been a theme (Taco Tuesday, geddit?). We suppose that leaves a little room open for one final teaser before the big reveal.
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Old 05-10-2023, 08:05 AM   #2
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As someone who is looking to get 3 pedals for his next car, this is good news and makes my choices more interesting.
I was 100% sure that they were going to kill it for the new gen but pleasantly surprised.

I drive a Sienna now so been happy with Toyota so far. Was thinking of getting a WRX sometime in the future, but if Subaru keeps goofing around and not coming up with an exciting product or its just going to be an EV, a manual Taco is gonna be it. Will be more practical for the family. But anyway, the wait lists for these will be epic and the markups will be insane. Good thing I wouldnt need to or plan plan to get one for 2-3 years.

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Old 05-10-2023, 09:23 AM   #3
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Love me a manual Taco. Nice pairing with the all mighty Sienna.

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Old 05-18-2023, 10:06 PM   #5
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Getting giddy for the new 4runner! I have 0 use for a pickup (need interior back for dogs) but with the 4runner based off of this should be hawt.
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There's something wrong with society when this is how manufacturers are selling products... Sounds like a bad AI written script, but it's most certainly not.


I think they hit a home run with this interior... it's still a bit rugged, but way less spartan than previous gens. Still don't like the tablet look overall, but that's where things are. Not bad Toyota.
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2024 Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro's seats have a suspension system with air-adjustable shocks
To say these are cool seats would be an understatement
https://www.autoblog.com/2023/05/19/...ts-suspension/

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The 2024 Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro is rocking some of the most technologically-advanced seats weve ever seen in any vehicle. Period. That counts for sports cars, supercars, SUVs, and of course, trucks. Toyota calls it the IsoDynamic Performance Seat, but read on to learn all about it.

Its party trick can be seen exposed on the seat back, as its rocking an air-over-oil shock absorber system, which is just nuts to see on a seat. The Tacoma's Chief Engineer, Sheldon Brown, helped explain how it works. There are two main shocks for vertical movement, and two for lateral movement. Additionally, there are a couple of large ball joints inside that allow the seat to move somewhat independently of the rest of the truck. The idea is that all this will help reduce the amount of shaking and bumping the front occupants experience off-road, improving comfort and visibility and reducing fatigue. Brown noted that TRD Pro testers were consistently driving the truck faster over off-road sections with the seat active, than with it fixed in place, since they felt more comfortable and confident.

This is also why they're featured in the TRD Pro. The Pro is becoming the high-speed off-road model in the Tacoma lineup, more so than the jack-of-all-trades off-roader it has been in past years. Toyota can do this now that it's introducing the Trailhunter model, which is aimed more at slow-speed trail driving and overlanding. So a seat design that helps you go faster off road is perfect for the new Pro.

The seats can still be fixed in place. Toward the base of the seat back, there are a pair of tabs that control whether the seat is suspended or locked in. It's possible that you might not want the dampened feel in all situations, perhaps when on pavement or more mild off-road stretches when you may prefer a bit more direct feedback from the truck. Maybe you even find you're not a fan of the damped feeling at all. Regardless, you have the option.

These shocks are adjustable, too. They rely on air pressure, which can be adjusted via air-fill ports on the backs of the seats. Toyota will have some basic recommendations based on occupant weight, but of course you'll be able to adjust things to suit your preferences.

Packaging all that suspension equipment adds lots of weight and takes up lots of space. To address the weight, Brown explained that parts of the seat frame are now fiberglass. And as for space, Toyota managed to fit most everything from the regular seats inside. It has most of the power adjustments, and heat and ventilation are available. The only thing that they couldn't squeeze in was power recline, so you'll be relying on the classic ratchet handle for that. Brown also emphasized that these seats have gone through the same crash testing as any of Toyota's other seats and are just as safe as the rest.

Well be the judge of how well they work (though we'll leave safety testing to NHTSA and IIHS) on the Tacomas first drive, but beyond the functionality, much of the appeal comes from how epic they look. Toyotas presentation with the red dampers and carbon trim combined with the big TRD logo emphasizes how neat of a system this is. We love a good carbon-backed sport bucket, the likes of which youd find in a new BMW M car or 911 GT3 RS, but none of those are rocking their own suspension systems.
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It's a damn shame that you can't pair the manual with the AWD (torsen center!). I'd rather a Taco than a WRX.
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Complete BS not being able to pair the manual with the hybrid. The base 2.4 is anemic. If Im forced into an auto then Id rather have the Colorado. Same price, but way more capable and less complex than a hybrid with the same mpg.
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It's a damn shame that you can't pair the manual with the AWD (torsen center!). I'd rather a Taco than a WRX.
AWD is garbage on an off-road vehicle. Real 4x4 is where its at. Less complex, less **** to wear out, and more durable.
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AWD is garbage on an off-road vehicle. Real 4x4 is where it's at. Less complex, less **** to wear out, and more durable.
Curious to know your definition of AWD versus 4WD. The Land Cruiser and the Lexus twin both have full-time 4WD (torsion center diff) for their AWD while having a true 2 speed transfer case. The 4th gen 4Runner had the multi-mode transfer case that offered 2H, 4H, 4H (locked center diff), 4L, 4L (locked center diff).

Calamity, I think the FJ Cruiser was the last [US market] Toyota built with full time 4WD with 2 speed transfer case and a manual transmission. I knew a kid that had one and rode in it a few times. Someone has moved all those bits over to a 5th gen 4Runner, but who knows how clean the swap was regarding the off-road electronic trinkets.
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Calamity, I think the FJ Cruiser was the last [US market] Toyota built with full time 4WD with 2 speed transfer case and a manual transmission. I knew a kid that had one and rode in it a few times. Someone has moved all those bits over to a 5th gen 4Runner, but who knows how clean the swap was regarding the off-road electronic trinkets.

I'm just thinking a new X-Runner with (optional) manual, AWD, and turbo may be a hit for the same hot-rodders that once flocked to the WRX. The package is already really attractive.. make it lower and more engaging on the street, and all the old-school small truck folks will love it, despite its larger size.
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have they posted prices for this damn thing yet?
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have they posted prices for this damn thing yet?

Wont see them until Nov is my guess.


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I'm just thinking a new X-Runner with (optional) manual, AWD, and turbo may be a hit for the same hot-rodders that once flocked to the WRX. The package is already really attractive.. make it lower and more engaging on the street, and all the old-school small truck folks will love it, despite its larger size.

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The fact that the tacoma is a 2.4liter 4cyl Turbo, just like that of the VB WRX, gets me a smidgen excited for tuning options
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I'm just thinking a new X-Runner with (optional) manual, AWD, and turbo may be a hit for the same hot-rodders that once flocked to the WRX. The package is already really attractive.. make it lower and more engaging on the street, and all the old-school small truck folks will love it, despite its larger size.
Well they are supposedly looking for more vehicles to GRify, how cool would a Tacoma GR street truck be...

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The fact that the tacoma is a 2.4liter 4cyl Turbo, just like that of the VB WRX, gets me a smidgen excited for tuning options
The only thing the two engines have in common is overall displacement and the fact that they have a turbo on them.

T24 is an I4, FA24 is an H4
T24 is undersquare (smaller bore, longer stroke), FA24 is oversquare (larger bore shorter stroke)
T24 makes 278hp/317tq in the Taco, but 271hp/339tq is its current top factory output (crown, rx500) FA24 makes 271hp/258tw in the WRX, but 260hp/277tq it's top factory output (Outback, etc.)
T24 is dual injection (D4-S), FA24 is Direct injection only.
T24 & FA24 both use twin-scroll turbos, but I can't find a model/part number for the Toyota one, but I'm willing to bet they are different turbos.

Both are relatively new engines, but I'd put a hefty wager on the Toyota mill outlasting the FA24, Dual injection means most likely higher power ceiling, although the undersquare design will limit the peak rpm compared to an oversquare I4, but undersquare engines typically have a higher thermal efficiency (and thus fuel economy) than oversquare.

Now that the T24 is making it's way into more of the lineup however, especially more Toyotas (rather than just in Lexus') the aftermarket will likely step in and come up with a Tune.

I'm interested to see the difference in fuel economy of the Tacoma hybrid vs. non-hybrid (at the 278hp/317tq output, there are three different outputs from the T24 in the Taco 228, 270, 278).

I've been watching it with interest, I'd prefer a unibody PHEV mid-sized pickup like the Ridgeline for my use, but I'd take a body-on-frame Taco PHEV if Toyota offered it.

Toyota finally ditched the drum brakes in the rear on the Taco, it only took them until MY2024, but they finally did it!
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[...]although the undersquare design will limit the peak rpm compared to an oversquare I4, [...]
It looks like Subaru didn't get the memo for FA24DIT; as you know, redline in the WRX is a pretty low 6100 rpm given the 86 mm stroke.
The Toyota 2.4T engine makes peak power at 6000 RPM despite its nearly 100 mm stroke. So, worst case, redline will be 6100 just like FA24DIT.
Except, the Toyota engine seems to make more power everywhere in the rev range (at least, in the 270+ hp state of tune).
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It looks like Subaru didn't get the memo for FA24DIT; as you know, redline in the WRX is a pretty low 6100 rpm given the 86 mm stroke.
The Toyota 2.4T engine makes peak power at 6000 RPM despite its nearly 100 mm stroke. So, worst case, redline will be 6100 just like FA24DIT.
Except, the Toyota engine seems to make more power everywhere in the rev range (at least, in the 270+ hp state of tune).
I was comparing oversquare vs. undersquare in an I-4; the FA24 should be able to rev higher being that it's oversquare, but hardware wise it's a direct CTRL-C CTRL-V from their CUVs, with a different tune; the turbo & cams are designed for low-end grunt, not peak power.

From the video reviews of the new taco redline looks to be in the 6,100-6,250 range.
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The new Colorado/Canyon is a better truck in virtually every category.
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I was comparing oversquare vs. undersquare in an I-4; the FA24 should be able to rev higher being that it's oversquare, but hardware wise it's a direct CTRL-C CTRL-V from their CUVs, with a different tune; the turbo & cams are designed for low-end grunt, not peak power.

From the video reviews of the new taco redline looks to be in the 6,100-6,250 range.
That explanation was really good, thank you for the info about the oversquare vs undersquare. Its kinda interesting the differences between the two. I mean more than likely I don't think you would need anything more than the powertrains offered in the toyota (for the size), unless you were needing to tow more. I'm pretty excited for the truck. I mean despite Lexus running the engine for a minute, im sure there will be some weird hiccups here and there.
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The new Colorado/Canyon is a better truck in virtually every category.
except resale and longevity.

Tacomas are the Rolex of Trucks. That does not mean they are the best truck.
As Rolex is FAR from the best watch out there.

Tacos (and Rolex) They are perpetually behind the technology curve, they are overpriced, they don't have the best specs, but have the best hype base and resale. Chevy or Ford will never be able to overshadow the nearly unbreakable reputation of a taco. Whether it is still true or not. That is the perceived value the Toyota Still garners.
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AWD is garbage on an off-road vehicle. Real 4x4 is where its at.
This t-case has a lockable center diff. It's the best of both worlds: AWD for on road and 4WD for off-road.

For 3.5 years my garage housed an '18 WRX STI and an '18 Frontier PRO-4X (4WD with rear e-locker). I got the truck after 14 years of daily driving AWD cars, and found it sketchy AF to drive in the rain.

The "killer feature" I wanted for my truck was a t-case with a lockable center diff - and Toyota is now making one.

What sucks is that currently you can't get that t-case with a rear e-locker. The new Lexus GX550 has some trims with both.
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