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Old 05-28-2023, 05:15 PM   #10351
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**** off Tom. I have absolutely no reason to lie.
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Old 05-28-2023, 05:19 PM   #10352
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**** off Tom. I have absolutely no reason to lie.
Then post the link to that dealership so everyone can see through your BS. I'm glad your lies got quoted so everyone can go and see for themselves.
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Old 05-28-2023, 06:11 PM   #10353
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Rode by Subaru dealership in montrose, co. They had multiple wrx's on lot with big $500/month stickers on the windshields. It appears it is taking effort to move them off the lot.
That dealer has 2 VB WRX models shown online. One is a GT at $44,888 and another is a base model at $32,489...IN TRANSIT.

https://www.flowermotorsubaru.com/inventory/new

They are advertising a $500 dollar offer over the value for any trade in. There are no WRX discounts shown on their website.

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Old 05-28-2023, 08:09 PM   #10354
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They had a big $500/month sticker plastered across the windshield. They also had more than one with that tacky sticker. I don't know anything about that dealer or how good their sales are and I don't care. I was just pointing out that it appears they are putting effort into trying to move the new wrx.



Then you shouldn't try to make it seem they are having a hard time moving them. I'd suspect any retailer is putting effort to sell their inventory. They've sold 2 in 5 months. They show 2 on their site. Looks like proper allocation. Shoot. We've sold more Outbacks than they have total.



And I don't think you're lying about what you saw. Maybe exaggerating a bit; but, I believe you saw the windshields.
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Old 05-29-2023, 03:56 AM   #10355
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Imagine just making **** up in an attempt to make a car that you are never even going to buy in the first just to try to make it look bad.

Imagine being the online defender of a car that you are never even going to buy in the first place just to try to make it look good

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Old 05-29-2023, 09:06 AM   #10356
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We've come full circle now.
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Old 05-29-2023, 01:02 PM   #10357
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Imagine being the online defender of a car that you are never even going to buy in the first place just to try to make it look good

There is nothing to defend. This car has been very successful for Subaru. I post relevant information in reference to a model that I am highly interested in and I owned in the past. You do you.
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Old 05-30-2023, 04:02 AM   #10358
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There is nothing to defend. This car has been very successful for Subaru. I post relevant information in reference to a model that I am highly interested in and I owned in the past. You do you.
i will do me ... in reference to a model that I owned in the past, i laugh at what a sad, ugly POS its become.
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Old 05-30-2023, 09:48 PM   #10359
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Imagine just making **** up in an attempt to make a car that you are never even going to buy in the first just to try to make it look bad. That dealer has 2 VB in showing online and I didn't see any discounts advertised too. This thread is hilarious ***55357;***56838;.
All youíve done is make things up about other cars and ignore facts and questions when directed at you.
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Old 06-01-2023, 06:16 PM   #10360
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Mmmmk. So, 5 months in and it seems to be doing "fine". With a higher YTD than the prior 5 years.


___________YTD
2023 - 2771 /13047
2022 - 2674 /4747
2021 - 3169 /11918
2020 - 2255 /8163
2019 - 2110 /10510
2018 - 2859 /12713


Soooo, at what point is this gen selling bad?


I am curious about the next 2-3 months, though. Make sure all sales are '23 model year.
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Old 06-01-2023, 10:13 PM   #10361
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What are the numbers from 2015 when it was a model refresh? Last year was technically the first year but it doesn't count because of supply issues. If it is selling better than 2015 that's pretty good, but it also has less competition now.
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Old 06-01-2023, 11:21 PM   #10362
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15-17 model years realized between 31-34k sales. Of course, will have to see EOY sales before we fully know how it compares.

If you take the sales figures for last year's remaining months starting with June, You only need 85% of the volume realized from last year's June through December months to hit 30K this year. Considering the minimal sales drop off between 2015 and 2016 as a new model year, I would expect sales figures to be pretty similar to last year's for the same month. As such I would expect the final figures to range between 29-33k.

Pretty good performance for Subaru considering how badly the car has been received by enthusiasts, and imo the second most unattractive WRX only behind the 2008 and 2009 models. Additionally when considering interest rates compared to those seen during the VA generation.
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Old 06-02-2023, 08:32 AM   #10363
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There's literally no competition. GTI, Elantra N, Civic SI are nearly impossible to find in any specific color or trim combo. And good luck getting even MSRP. In the same/similar price range same with then Miata and GR86/BRZ. Can't find them and it's a long, long wait at MSRp or below.

So kudos to Subaru for actually making WRX's to sell, but if you need something now and your considering the options above the WRX may be the only one available.
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Old 06-02-2023, 08:45 AM   #10364
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There's literally no competition. GTI, Elantra N, Civic SI are nearly impossible to find in any specific color or trim combo. And good luck getting even MSRP. In the same/similar price range same with then Miata and GR86/BRZ. Can't find them and it's a long, long wait at MSRp or below.

So kudos to Subaru for actually making WRX's to sell, but if you need something now and your considering the options above the WRX may be the only one available.
The Elantra N is not hard to find. I had a couple of dealers near me with stock and at MSRP and willing to negotiate. I test drove one and hated it. Mostly for the seats (fatty here) and that crappy grab handle to the right of the shifter. Interior feels cheap overall.

Oh, and they are ugly, but that's subjective. The VB is much better looking (minus the rear bumper), and of course it's not a Hyundai, so it has that going for it too
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Old 06-02-2023, 08:53 AM   #10365
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The Elantra N is not hard to find. I had a couple of dealers near me with stock and at MSRP and willing to negotiate. I test drove one and hated it. Mostly for the seats (fatty here) and that crappy grab handle to the right of the shifter. Interior feels cheap overall.

Oh, and they are ugly, but that's subjective. The VB is much better looking (minus the rear bumper), and of course it's not a Hyundai, so it has that going for it too
Maybe where you live but in a regional search within 75 miles of my house there are 10 Elantra N's. But it's Autotrader so many of those are either going to be sold or are just order place holders. Civic SI? There are 4, again I doubt you can even buy those 4. GTI? 9. Same story I doubt 9 are actually on lots for sale. WRX in the same search? 120 cars.

If I had to buy something now it's almost WRX by default if I wanted a specific color and trim.

I'm in CT so 75 miles covers CT, parts of NY, Mass, etc.
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Old 06-02-2023, 08:58 AM   #10366
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Maybe where you live but in a regional search within 75 miles of my house there are 10 Elantra Nís. But itís Autotrader so many of those are either going to be sold or are just order place holders. Civic SI? There are 4, again I doubt you can even buy those 4. GTI? 9. Same story I doubt 9 are actually on lots for sale. WRX in the same search? 120 cars.



If I had to buy something now itís almost WRX by default if I wanted a specific color and trim.
Yep, it's totally regional. Believe it or not some areas of the country hardly have any WRXs. Where I am, the east coast, WRXs are plentiful. Was able to get $4,500 below sticker because of that, so no complaints here

The local Honda dealer was telling me 5K over sticker for an SI... I told him to kick rocks, lol! But really, I prefer AWD with the weather we get here in Upstate New York.

If only there was a legitimate hatchback all-wheel drive that wasn't going for 5 to 10K over sticker, I would be all over it! The only thing I miss with my VB is not having a hatch. But the back seats in the VB are incredibly roomy, so that somewhat makes up for it.
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Old 06-02-2023, 06:14 PM   #10367
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Maybe where you live but in a regional search within 75 miles of my house there are 10 Elantra N's. But it's Autotrader so many of those are either going to be sold or are just order place holders. Civic SI? There are 4, again I doubt you can even buy those 4. GTI? 9. Same story I doubt 9 are actually on lots for sale. WRX in the same search? 120 cars.

If I had to buy something now it's almost WRX by default if I wanted a specific color and trim.

I'm in CT so 75 miles covers CT, parts of NY, Mass, etc.

I would guess, but could be wrong, that you didn't look up all of those 120? How many of those are in transit? So far, each time someone claimed a certain amount of "available" WRXs, 60%-70% had weren't even on the lot yet.
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Old 06-02-2023, 10:35 PM   #10368
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I would guess, but could be wrong, that you didn't look up all of those 120? How many of those are in transit? So far, each time someone claimed a certain amount of "available" WRXs, 60%-70% had weren't even on the lot yet.
Every single time I quoted numbers of available WRXs around me in the SF Bay Area, over 95% of these cars were on lots.
So, again, we need to stop generalizing and we need to take into account that some regions in the country and some dealerships have pretty good numbers of WRXs sitting on lots waiting for customers.
And, yes, these WRXs get sold quickly enough; they don't stay on lots for an unreasonably long time.
Going back to thill's point, there are extremely few Elantra N, GTI, GLI, Golf R or Civic Si on lots around my part of the country.


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Old 06-03-2023, 06:13 AM   #10369
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My measurement on how excited car enthusiasts are for a car is as follows: How quickly has it been rendered into Gran Turismo or Forza?
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Old 06-03-2023, 07:02 AM   #10370
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The more I see them on the road the more I like them.


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That's the spirit!

Honestly, I've been to a few car meets locally, and a lot of the other car guys are really digging the new WRX. In person, it has some appeal. Not really much wrong with it visually, aside from the bumper, and even that is not so horrible in the flesh.

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Old 06-03-2023, 02:53 PM   #10372
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Every single time I quoted numbers of available WRXs around me in the SF Bay Area, over 95% of these cars were on lots.
So, again, we need to stop generalizing and we need to take into account that some regions in the country and some dealerships have pretty good numbers of WRXs sitting on lots waiting for customers.
And, yes, these WRXs get sold quickly enough; they don't stay on lots for an unreasonably long time.
Going back to thill's point, there are extremely few Elantra N, GTI, GLI, Golf R or Civic Si on lots around my part of the country.


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I highly doubt that. That area sells too fast to have that many on the lot. Checked your area's full district, and nowhere near 95% on the lots. Look closer at In Transit. Or you caught it in a rare time they got their trucks in and hadn't turned them around yet(within a day or two). But, "every single time"? That alludes to you checking many times and seeing 95% in stock inventory. And I just call BS to the amount actually on the lot versus the total number a retailer would show on their site that includes in transit as well.

But, to Thill's point(and mine), do those other manufacturer's dealers show in transit cars on their dealer websites like Subaru does? What are those "competition" cars sales numbers? Does the demand for those cars warrant production numbers similar to WRX? "Better" cars they may be; but, demand doesn't seem to agree. Which of the competition are "deliberate" limited production cars? Which are not and just don't sell well enough to make too many? My response is in relation to the apparent "reasoning" to WRX sales doing better that what many members this site believe/want.
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Old 06-03-2023, 05:21 PM   #10373
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Donít all cars produced eventually sell? I donít see any new cars from 2020 sitting on dealer lots. Subaru will sell every car they make.
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I highly doubt that. That area sells too fast to have that many on the lot. Checked your area's full district, and nowhere near 95% on the lots. Look closer at In Transit. Or you caught it in a rare time they got their trucks in and hadn't turned them around yet(within a day or two). But, "every single time"? That alludes to you checking many times and seeing 95% in stock inventory. And I just call BS to the amount actually on the lot versus the total number a retailer would show on their site that includes in transit as well.

But, to Thill's point(and mine), do those other manufacturer's dealers show in transit cars on their dealer websites like Subaru does? What are those "competition" cars sales numbers? Does the demand for those cars warrant production numbers similar to WRX? "Better" cars they may be; but, demand doesn't seem to agree. Which of the competition are "deliberate" limited production cars? Which are not and just don't sell well enough to make too many? My response is in relation to the apparent "reasoning" to WRX sales doing better that what many members this site believe/want.
A local Chevy dealer leases space at a mall up the road from the dealer. During the pandemic they had minimal inventory on their lot. Salesmen were playing the ďthese trucks are hard to getĒ card. Driving by the mall lot they had probably 50+ Silverados sitting there. None on their website lol. Itís all a scam and people are starting to figure it out now that interest rates are nearly 7% and the FOMO rush has dried up.
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Going back to thill's point, there are extremely few Elantra N, GTI, GLI, Golf R or Civic Si on lots around my part of the country.


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Supply follows demand. There is simply more demand for the WRX in this segment.
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