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Old 01-22-2005, 05:47 PM   #1
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Making a left out of a parking lot onto a road that curved down. Car started sliding, nothing I could do but WHAM sideways into the curb. Was going maybe 5mph at the time but VERY SURPRISINGLY it was enough to bend the rear wheel in a good inch or two.

Anyone know a rough estimate on how much this will cost?

My last vehicle was a 4WD Dodge Dakota with BG Goodrich All Terrain TA KO tires and it flat kicked the Subaru's ass in the snow, sorry to say. I was very disappointed that it even started to slide, and then once it did it just kept on sliding. Really sucks.

Oh yeah, if anyone is wondering I am on 225/55-17 Yokohama Avid H4S tires in maybe 4" of snow.
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Old 01-22-2005, 05:51 PM   #2
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i did the exact same thing in an integra and it bent my frame in. unless your rim itself is bent and nothing more internal (i.e. a control arm or frame), you can just replace your rim and tire. otherwise, you have to have a big machine that can bend your frame back out...cost me about $1000. oddly enough my rim didnt take any damage, just the frame.

i ended up going to my acura dealership and had them do it since i didnt trust any other mechanics. good luck with it.
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Old 01-22-2005, 05:58 PM   #3
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very easy to bend a strut or trailing link or lateral link on a subie. Just start comparing one side with the other and look for a buckle in the steel somewhere. I highly doubt the frame is bent. one place to check is the clearance between the inside sidewall of the tire and the tube of the strut. compare sides.
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Old 01-22-2005, 05:58 PM   #4
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Making a left out of a parking lot onto a road that curved down. Car started sliding, nothing I could do but WHAM sideways into the curb. Was going maybe 5mph at the time but VERY SURPRISINGLY it was enough to bend the rear wheel in a good inch or two.

Anyone know a rough estimate on how much this will cost?

My last vehicle was a 4WD Dodge Dakota with BG Goodrich All Terrain TA KO tires and it flat kicked the Subaru's ass in the snow, sorry to say. I was very disappointed that it even started to slide, and then once it did it just kept on sliding. Really sucks.

Oh yeah, if anyone is wondering I am on 225/55-17 Yokohama Avid H4S tires in maybe 4" of snow.
What did you do when it started to slide? Gas or brakes?
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Old 01-22-2005, 06:00 PM   #5
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If you slid out at 5mph, apparently there was ice where it happened, so.. Doesn't really matter what kinda tires you're on.


If it wasn't ice, then maybe you should consider stopping by an empty, well-lit parking lot one day and discovering how AWD works.

.. When you get a new wheel

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Old 01-22-2005, 06:04 PM   #6
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The road was a four lane divided road. I went across the two lanes and started making the left and the front pushed a little so I turned the wheel a little more and gave it a little gas. A LITTLE mind you, my wife was in the car and doesn't tolerate much in the way of cars. The back end seemed to come around really quickly and the car started sliding. From there I just slid sideways for a lane and hit the curb. My Forester is an automatic so it has the electronically controlled center differential, I wonder if it sent all of the power to the back wheels which is why the back end came around so quickly?
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Old 01-22-2005, 06:14 PM   #7
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My last vehicle was a 4WD Dodge Dakota with BG Goodrich All Terrain TA KO tires and it flat kicked the Subaru's ass in the snow, sorry to say. I was very disappointed that it even started to slide, and then once it did it just kept on sliding. Really sucks.

Well you went from these off road tires



To these high performance all seasons.



Just to let it be known that these are vastly different tires.
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Old 01-22-2005, 08:33 PM   #8
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Just to let it be known that these are vastly different tires.
Talk about an understatement.

Anyway, what you shoulda done, is when you felt understeer (front pushing instead of turning) turn LESS. hit the brakes a little to get more weight on the front tires. Then slow down, and re-gain control, even if you miss your turn and have to drive another 2 mins.

All terrain high performance /= snow tire or even offroad tire in snow.


(heck, all terrain high performance tire = summer performance tire, get another set of steelies and mount up some blizzaks or nokians, any dedicated snow).
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Old 01-22-2005, 08:58 PM   #9
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blizzaks are GREAT
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Old 01-22-2005, 09:59 PM   #10
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Nokain RSi > any blizzaks
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Old 01-23-2005, 01:45 PM   #11
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OMG TEH MY ALL TERRAINS H4V3 T3H U/\/() MAS MORE SNOW GR1P THaN ALL SEASONZ!?!??!????111111five
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Old 01-24-2005, 12:26 AM   #12
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cuase your tires SUCK! Your old dodge would get taken to school in a subaru equiped with aggressive winter tires.
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Old 01-24-2005, 11:33 AM   #13
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cuase your tires SUCK! Your old dodge would get taken to school in a subaru equiped with aggressive winter tires.
I will believe that when I see a Subaru pushing a snow plow.

You know, its funny that when I bought a Subaru, everyone said how great it will be in the snow and how it will probably be better than my 4WD truck. It isn't, so then everyone says how I need to keep an extra set of wheels laying around with dedicated snow tires on them. Hey, I own a Subaru so I want to stick up for the brand, but GET OVER IT - a 4wd truck is significantly better than any Subaru in snow.

Two years ago I drove nurses to the hospital when we had 18" of snow, and at times I had to bust through 4' piles of snow from where the snowplows had piled up snow at the ends of smaller roads. No way in hell any Subaru would bust through that, dedicated snows or not.
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Old 01-24-2005, 12:27 PM   #14
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I will believe that when I see a Subaru pushing a snow plow.

You know, its funny that when I bought a Subaru, everyone said how great it will be in the snow and how it will probably be better than my 4WD truck. It isn't, so then everyone says how I need to keep an extra set of wheels laying around with dedicated snow tires on them. Hey, I own a Subaru so I want to stick up for the brand, but GET OVER IT - a 4wd truck is significantly better than any Subaru in snow.

Two years ago I drove nurses to the hospital when we had 18" of snow, and at times I had to bust through 4' piles of snow from where the snowplows had piled up snow at the ends of smaller roads. No way in hell any Subaru would bust through that, dedicated snows or not.

i came from a 1999 Jeep XJ 2" lift with 30s (now have rex wgn)

it all depends on what type of snow you are driving in when comparing the two. lovely boston just got slammed with 30" of snow.

when i had the jeep, it went thru deep snow like its nothing. and that was with stock 225/75/15 tires. with the off-road 30s, it was even better. 4LO is a great for those situations. but for regular <6" snow, my subaru with dedicated snow tires is way more stable than the jeep around corners and stopping power to 10x better.
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Old 01-24-2005, 11:41 PM   #15
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subaru with nokian hakka 2's for 99% of winter; jeep with hankook zovaks for the other 1%, which may include occasional berms
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Old 01-25-2005, 10:21 AM   #16
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I will believe that when I see a Subaru pushing a snow plow.

You know, its funny that when I bought a Subaru, everyone said how great it will be in the snow and how it will probably be better than my 4WD truck. It isn't, so then everyone says how I need to keep an extra set of wheels laying around with dedicated snow tires on them. Hey, I own a Subaru so I want to stick up for the brand, but GET OVER IT - a 4wd truck is significantly better than any Subaru in snow.

Two years ago I drove nurses to the hospital when we had 18" of snow, and at times I had to bust through 4' piles of snow from where the snowplows had piled up snow at the ends of smaller roads. No way in hell any Subaru would bust through that, dedicated snows or not.

Just speaking from personal expirience. Tires are the difference though.
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Buy a new set of Blizzaks every year at the start of the snowy season. Then drive them through the year. It costs a little bit of money but your life is worth it.
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