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Old 04-18-2018, 10:21 AM   #301
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Positions, yes. But you still get to catch up to the back of the string of cars vs. being some 30 seconds back if the track was green. That's what I meant.
I'm not the best strategist, but doesn't that all but guarantee you end up in last place behind the SC, albeit on fresh tires? It only works if you react to the SC quickly like Red Bull did. If you don't, you end up Mercedes'd. At that point, you hold on to whatever positions you can. You don't pit if you missed your opportunity and put yourself in last place. Unless I'm misunderstanding your context.
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Old 04-18-2018, 01:58 PM   #302
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F1 is barely racing anymore, it's a technical exercise. It's a shame it takes a SC to get exciting racing. Once the order is established after the first lap, that's it. Your only chance to pass is in the pits or maybe with a different strategy but there's not a lot of possibilities. Your rivals will be well aware of your tire options and ready to cover them off. The only thing that can mix it up is a SC or weather. The cars can't even follow closely enough to show a wheel. They fall back so they don't overheat their tires/engine/brakes and we just get the procession waiting for luck to fall into someone's lap. It probably annoys me more how much Croft hypes up how bedazzling F1 is when there is such better racing elsewhere. Even Brundle right next to him is telling us during the race that the formula needs to be fixed, this following is a problem and the racing is suffering. And that's what he's saying "on camera". Based on his Tweets and column, he's as frustrated with this situation as many of us fans.
I'm not complaining that the safety car made for a great show. I also am not complaining that safety cars create a degree of randomness. What I am complaining about is that the Stewards sat on their asses for two laps (3 minutes) to decide to bring out the safety car and at that point they called it immediately after the leaders passed pit entry. The field had driven over the crap twice, the Stewards could have waited one more lap and sent the SC out before BOT and VET passed the pit entry. The race wasn't decided by the drivers, the race wasn't decided by the crash, The race was decided by the stewards arbitrary timing of the safety car.

*not taking anything away from RIC. Red Bull needs to make Max watch those passes 10,000 times "Look passing without crashing".
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Old 04-18-2018, 02:04 PM   #303
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Agreed, they seemed to wait way too long. I'm not saying they took any notice as to their timing and the lead cars' position on track in order to disadvantage them and spice it up, but the late call was weird.

I liked Brundle's comment on it:

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Clearly forgetting how Safety Car scenarios won him the recent Australian GP, Vettel has said that the FIA should consider the impact of the timing of deployment with regard to affecting the race order, presumably especially the leaders.
And I don't think a VSC was a reasonable option in this case as the point of a safety car is to condense the pack so marshalls can get out onto an open track and clear the debris. A VSC merely slows the cars down but they're still staggered all throughout the track which doesn't give marshalls the chance to get out there and do their thing.
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Old 04-18-2018, 09:46 PM   #304
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To add an extra thread.

I'm so sick of seeing laps tick away while the let lapped cars through.

Lapped cars should be pushed back instead of forward.
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Old 04-19-2018, 09:53 AM   #305
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I don't know why they waited so long after letting lapped cars through this time. They had fixed that in recent years. Even backmarkers are significantly faster than the SC by enough to only need one lap for a big gap.
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Old 04-19-2018, 11:09 AM   #306
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It was always the weirdest excuse, that by falling back rather than unlapping themselves and catching back up to the back, the timing doesn't recognize that they've done one fewer lap. I get that technically, that's what happened and that's what the transponder says since it crossed the start/finish line one fewer time. Makes sense. It doesn't make sense that the most technologically advanced sport on the planet, something close to aerospace engineering can't handle a +1 for a few cars. I don't buy that part for a second.
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Old 04-20-2018, 02:33 PM   #307
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It doesn't make sense that the most technologically advanced sport on the planet, something close to aerospace engineering can't handle a +1 for a few cars. I don't buy that part for a second.
IMO everyone should do the same number of laps, even if one of those laps is a high speed cruise to catch up to back of the pack. Otherwise fuel, tires and engine all have less wear and give the lapped traffic an advantage (perhaps trivial but nonetheless). They certainly could get on with it much better though, it wouldn't be hard to bunch the field, have the lapped guys overtake on a straight then catch up. But the catch up phase is risky too, isn't that what caught out Bianchi, hauling ass in awful conditions to catch the pack?
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Old 04-20-2018, 02:42 PM   #308
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IMO everyone should do the same number of laps, even if one of those laps is a high speed cruise to catch up to back of the pack. Otherwise fuel, tires and engine all have less wear and give the lapped traffic an advantage (perhaps trivial but nonetheless). They certainly could get on with it much better though, it wouldn't be hard to bunch the field, have the lapped guys overtake on a straight then catch up. But the catch up phase is risky too, isn't that what caught out Bianchi, hauling ass in awful conditions to catch the pack?
Theoretically, I guess I agree about completing the same number of laps. In practice, like you said, the amount of fuel and tire usage under the safety car is trivial.

And no, there was no safety car when Bianchi crashed, it was double waved yellows and he was hauling too much ass for the conditions.
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Old 04-23-2018, 11:50 AM   #309
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Technical regulation changes for 2019:
- Separate the weight of the car from that of the driver
This is a mistake. The only way for it to be fair is to include driver in car weight. If you don't include the driver everyone will hunt for the lightest one not necessarily the fastest one.
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Anyone heard anything good on what Seb's extra paddle is?

I'm guessing diff tuning on the fly.
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nice very nice info
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Anyone heard anything good on what Seb's extra paddle is?

I'm guessing diff tuning on the fly.
Diff tuning on the fly? Oh, that's definitely a paddlin'.

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Get your post count somewhere else, dillhole.
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Diff tuning on the fly? Oh, that's definitely a paddlin'.
Why? They're allowed to change differential settings still, right?
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Yes, it was a paddle pun.
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Old 04-23-2018, 06:26 PM   #315
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Yes, it was a paddle pun.
It worked on me.

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Yes, it was a paddle pun.
Eh, I thought you were using it somewhat seriously.
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Here's what a proper F1 car looks like. I believe that this is Schumacher'sonly drive for Eddie Jordan at Spa in 1991
https://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=1991.jpg
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Anyone heard anything good on what Seb's extra paddle is?

I'm guessing diff tuning on the fly.

Might be for this:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...owing-1029656/
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Here's what a proper F1 car looks like. I believe that this is Schumacher'sonly drive for Eddie Jordan at Spa in 1991
https://www.dropbox.com/home?preview=1991.jpg
Did you really post a link to a dropbox folder? Like you couldn't find a suitable image of the 7Up Jordan anywhere else online?

take your pick: https://www.google.com/search?q=7up+...w=1139&bih=675
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