Ford hopes 'Mustang-inspired' SUV will shock Tesla, electric vehicle world

AVANTI R5 · 10-31-2019, 07:47 AM

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Ford Motor has made it official: it's going to unveil a "Mustang-inspired" electric SUV next month.

"We’ve busted the myth that electric vehicles have to be boring," the automaker says in a statement.

In showing a drawing of the roofline and hints as to the look of the front of the new vehicle – yeah, it sort of looks like the current Mustang – Ford appears to be taking direct aim at electric-car leader Tesla. When it made its debut in 2015, the Tesla Model X luxury electric was anything but boring – especially with its novel gullwing rear doors.

A new Ford electric SUV might help the automaker try to head Tesla off at the pass as it starts production of a new, smaller, lower-priced electric SUV, the Model Y, next year.

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Ford's electric SUV will debut Nov. 17 ahead of the Los Angeles Auto Show. But it is being billed as a reveal that will happen "around the globe," an indication that there may be events in multiple cities, just as the automaker did when it unveiled the next generation of the Mustang sports car in 2015.

It's yet to be seen how Mustang's fans react to the new design, especially whether it alienates Mustang loyalists who have kept the pony-car alive and thriving for 55 years. It's also unclear whether Ford, which is killing off most of its car lines, intends to morph Mustang away from the sports car category and migrate it toward the SUV world. It wouldn't be alone, given how even super-premium brands like Rolls-Royce and Bentley have introduced SUVs that inherit the look and feel of their famous car models.

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AVANTI R5 · 10-31-2019, 07:52 AM

Check out these Ford ‘Mustang-inspired’ electric SUV renders based on leaked CAD files

https://electrek.co/2019/10/30/ford-...ked-cad-files/

Ford Mach 1 Electric SUV Looks Like a Mustang Shooting Brake in New Tease

https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford...angeles-debut/

KC · 10-31-2019, 08:39 AM

Sorry, Ford. I will not buy a car that looks like the Merc Gle Coupe / BMW X4. Many people also think they look horrendous along with myself. *puke*

You may have a hard sell on your hands if it comes with those looks.

--kC

Keshav · 10-31-2019, 09:52 AM

We all know the Tesla model Y will eat its lunch and be less of a hassle to buy, own and maintain while retaining more resale value.

But Ford has to have a version 1.0 to start with.

alape8 · 10-31-2019, 11:00 AM

The sketch looks like a sleek wagon-style profile, while the CAD drawings look to be a Tesla-like blob. Huge disappointment.

Smunczen · 10-31-2019, 11:03 AM

Nope.

SCRAPPYDO · 10-31-2019, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Keshav

We all know the Tesla model Y will eat its lunch and be less of a hassle to buy, own and maintain while retaining more resale value.

But Ford has to have a version 1.0 to start with.

I am not sure this is true. Ford knows how to build cars (for the most part), Ford has an extensive dealer network and infrastructure to be able to keep parts in supply. Ford has a huge parts bin to choose from so economies of scale will come into play. They are only competing against the Model Y really and that thing next worldly ugly and has not been a huge success.

Id say they have a chance, but having shown my hand, lets see where the cards fall

WideBody · 10-31-2019, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SCRAPPYDO

I am not sure this is true. Ford knows how to build cars (for the most part), Ford has an extensive dealer network and infrastructure to be able to keep parts in supply. Ford has a huge parts bin to choose from so economies of scale will come into play. They are only competing against the Model Y really and that thing next worldly ugly and has not been a huge success.

Id say they have a chance, but having shown my hand, lets see where the cards fall

Ford also has dealership lots filled with ICE cars that will compete with it for lot space and sales tactics. Dealers certainly aren't going to be filling their lots with a Mustang inspired electric SUV that they may or may not be able to sell, they'll fill them with F150s and Escapes like they currently do.

I don't see this being any more of a "success" than what the Bolt was.

Sid03SVT · 10-31-2019, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by WideBody

Ford also has dealership lots filled with ICE cars that will compete with it for lot space and sales tactics. Dealers certainly aren't going to be filling their lots with a Mustang inspired electric SUV that they may or may not be able to sell, they'll fill them with F150s and Escapes like they currently do.

I don't see this being any more of a "success" than what the Bolt was.

remember though that they are also dropping all of their cars (save the mustang). There are only so many F150s you can sell in a given market before it's supersaturated.

subyski · 10-31-2019, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid03SVT

remember though that they are also dropping all of their cars (save the mustang). There are only so many F150s you can sell in a given market before it's supersaturated.

But Ford is also coming out with the Bronco and baby Bronco. I think the bigger question is how many dealers will be able to sell and support the Mustang CUV EV. Would there be enough sales to add that support? The Bolt requires certified dealers to handle any issues.

WideBody · 10-31-2019, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid03SVT

remember though that they are also dropping all of their cars (save the mustang). There are only so many F150s you can sell in a given market before it's supersaturated.

Nobody bought their cars to begin with, they were predominantly fleet sales. It's not like their lots were filled with Fusions, Tauruses, and Focuses prior to the great culling. They were still filled with higher profit margin SUVs and F150s. I don't even know anyone who bought those cars minus the Focus ST/RS, except for my one buddy who got a great deal on a used off-rental Fusion. Everyone else who would be in the target demographic bought an Accord or Camry anyways.

I just don't see this being a success when they have limited lot space, requires an investment into the salespeople from the franchise owner to train them, and the fact that they have a wide variety of other products that will probably make the dealer more money that they'll push you towards.

arghx7 · 10-31-2019, 02:27 PM

There will be one of these things in the back of the showroom, behind a fully loaded Ranger. And guess what the salesman is going to direct the potential buyer to?

And then the owners will be looking around for a place to charge, crossing their fingers that Electrify America builds something nearby (like Tesla owners were doing 5+ years ago).

Ford needs to really commit to this and I'm not sure they will once it gets into production.

BeepBoop · 10-31-2019, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by arghx7

Ford needs to really commit to this and I'm not sure they will once it gets into production.

The US really needs to commit to a standard for charging port, same way we have standards for gas fillers before anything else.

arghx7 · 10-31-2019, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BeepBoop

The US really needs to commit to a standard for charging port, same way we have standards for gas fillers before anything else.

Well I think it's basically CCS and Tesla. Chademo is on borrowed time. Tesla switched to CCS in Europe, but in North America it will probably stay separate.

Pre · 10-31-2019, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SCRAPPYDO

They are only competing against the Model Y really and that thing next worldly ugly and has not been a huge success.

Tesla has not released the Model Y.

dwf137 · 11-01-2019, 12:45 AM

Awful idea. The mustang is a great car. It lives in it's own image. Leave it that way. Find a way to design something that will be it's own thing, don't create an electric SUV and pretend it's a mustang.

4S-TURBO · 11-01-2019, 01:19 AM

Mustang II II

SCRAPPYDO · 11-01-2019, 10:43 AM

I meant model X

Have not seen the Y yet
But my expectations are low of it follows the current design cues

If it looks like that Rivian truck thing it may be ok

Pre · 11-01-2019, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SCRAPPYDO

I meant model X

Have not seen the Y yet
But my expectations are low of it follows the current design cues

If it looks like that Rivian truck thing it may be ok

They have already released pictures of the Y. It's just not in production yet. It actually looks OK compared to the rest of their lineup.

Keshav · 11-01-2019, 01:08 PM

https://www.tesla.com/modely

https://www.tesla.com/support/model-y-ordering-faq

KC · 11-01-2019, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Keshav

https://www.tesla.com/modely

https://www.tesla.com/support/model-y-ordering-faq

They found Dory.

--kC

arghx7 · 11-01-2019, 02:33 PM

Model Y will be making deliveries in 2020, that's pretty much guaranteed.

JBLU24 · 11-01-2019, 08:17 PM

I'm a fan :shrug:

4S-TURBO · 11-01-2019, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JBLU24

I'm a fan :shrug:

Get in line. Model Y might break Tesla.

godfather2112 · 11-01-2019, 10:03 PM

The Model Y looks leaps and bounds better than the 3. No offense to mode 3 owners, and it’s subjective, but the 3 is so far beyond boring and generic looking that it’s only few redeeming qualities are name brand, mileage, performance (dual motor).

Ford is not a Tesla challenger. Ford buying demographics are either truck owners, CUV / SUV owners who are not really super concerned with being new with flash tech but generic. I think Tesla challengers 2030 years ago there’s lotta conversations that I’ve had rats clearly the fact I think Tesla challengers come from the Audi + dollar range.

I’m also on Maui and fairly intoxicated so I’m not sure I’m saying words.

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arghx7 Scooby Specialist Member#: 232940 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: cold	There will be one of these things in the back of the showroom, behind a fully loaded Ranger. And guess what the salesman is going to direct the potential buyer to? And then the owners will be looking around for a place to charge, crossing their fingers that Electrify America builds something nearby (like Tesla owners were doing 5+ years ago). Ford needs to really commit to this and I'm not sure they will once it gets into production. Last edited by arghx7; 10-31-2019 at 02:33 PM.

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10-31-2019, 07:52 AM	#2
AVANTI R5 Scooby Guru Member#: 73805 Join Date: Nov 2004	Check out these Ford ‘Mustang-inspired’ electric SUV renders based on leaked CAD files https://electrek.co/2019/10/30/ford-...ked-cad-files/ Ford Mach 1 Electric SUV Looks Like a Mustang Shooting Brake in New Tease https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford...angeles-debut/

10-31-2019, 08:39 AM	#3
KC Scooby Guru Member#: 442 Join Date: Oct 1999 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: RI/SE Mass Vehicle: 17 Imp Spurt 00 S2k	Sorry, Ford. I will not buy a car that looks like the Merc Gle Coupe / BMW X4. Many people also think they look horrendous along with myself. puke You may have a hard sell on your hands if it comes with those looks. --kC

10-31-2019, 09:52 AM	#4
Keshav Scooby Specialist Member#: 1654 Join Date: Jun 2000 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Seattle, WA, USA Vehicle: 2019 GoCycle GX MV Agusta Brutale S	We all know the Tesla model Y will eat its lunch and be less of a hassle to buy, own and maintain while retaining more resale value. But Ford has to have a version 1.0 to start with.

10-31-2019, 11:00 AM	#5
alape8 Scooby Newbie Member#: 337748 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Denver	The sketch looks like a sleek wagon-style profile, while the CAD drawings look to be a Tesla-like blob. Huge disappointment.

10-31-2019, 11:03 AM	#6
Smunczen Scooby Newbie Member#: 501315 Join Date: May 2019	Nope.

11-01-2019, 12:45 AM	#16
dwf137 Scooby Specialist Member#: 161333 Join Date: Oct 2007 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Seattle Vehicle: '18 Golf R '14 Outback	Awful idea. The mustang is a great car. It lives in it's own image. Leave it that way. Find a way to design something that will be it's own thing, don't create an electric SUV and pretend it's a mustang.

11-01-2019, 01:19 AM	#17
4S-TURBO Scooby Specialist Member#: 67807 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: nanamrpublic Vehicle: `'`' I WAS BORN FOR WHINING	Mustang II II

11-01-2019, 10:43 AM	#18
SCRAPPYDO Scooby Guru Member#: 873 Join Date: Feb 2000 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: www.testdrivemylife.com Vehicle: 2020 Legacy / Ascent Datsun 71 240Z & 68 2000	I meant model X Have not seen the Y yet But my expectations are low of it follows the current design cues If it looks like that Rivian truck thing it may be ok

11-01-2019, 01:08 PM	#20
Keshav Scooby Specialist Member#: 1654 Join Date: Jun 2000 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Seattle, WA, USA Vehicle: 2019 GoCycle GX MV Agusta Brutale S	https://www.tesla.com/modely https://www.tesla.com/support/model-y-ordering-faq

11-01-2019, 02:33 PM	#22
arghx7 Scooby Specialist Member#: 232940 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: cold	Model Y will be making deliveries in 2020, that's pretty much guaranteed.

11-01-2019, 08:17 PM	#23
JBLU24 Scooby Newbie Member#: 97503 Join Date: Oct 2005 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Queens, NY	I'm a fan :shrug:

11-01-2019, 10:03 PM	#25
godfather2112 Papi Chulo Moderator Member#: 53794 Join Date: Jan 2004 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: Boner kill city Vehicle: ... 2017 BMW M2 2017 F-150	The Model Y looks leaps and bounds better than the 3. No offense to mode 3 owners, and it’s subjective, but the 3 is so far beyond boring and generic looking that it’s only few redeeming qualities are name brand, mileage, performance (dual motor). Ford is not a Tesla challenger. Ford buying demographics are either truck owners, CUV / SUV owners who are not really super concerned with being new with flash tech but generic. I think Tesla challengers 2030 years ago there’s lotta conversations that I’ve had rats clearly the fact I think Tesla challengers come from the Audi + dollar range. I’m also on Maui and fairly intoxicated so I’m not sure I’m saying words.