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Old 11-06-2008, 11:56 PM   #1
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Well, despite my trying to avoid starting one of these threads due to the fact that my project isn't expected to be anything super special or worth bragging about, I'm going to have a bunch of questions I think - and I'd rather have it all in one thread than a few. So here goes.

Spun rod bearing in 02' WRX back in may, car has been sitting since. The old engine is on an engine stand in the garage now, all ready for teardown. I bought a used EJ257 shortblock from a guy on ebay.

EJ257 shortblock stats so far -

Wiseco custom pistons
Eagle connecting rods
Cosworth race connecting rod bearings
Cosworth main bearings

I guess I'll start with a photo and my first question. I was hoping this thing would be ready to just slap together. Previous owner put 3k miles on it prior to selling, due to a change in goals or something. After looking at the cylinder walls and whatnot, I'm not sure if I should put it together yet or not. I've never built an engine before so I don't know what the cylinder walls should look like.






What is that crap on the cylinder wall? Does the piston come up high enough that it will cause a problem? Also, does the other pictured cylinder wall look good enough to use as it is?

Please take it easy on me as I've never built an engine before. I'm not an idiot, just new at this. Thanks guys.
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Old 11-07-2008, 12:36 AM   #2
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i see a busted ringland at minimum and it messed up the cylinder a bit. as long as you go 100mm bore you should be good.
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Old 11-07-2008, 12:41 AM   #3
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So that means I need a new piston? Or does that mean I have to have the whole engine honed out and buy bigger pistons altogether? Serves me right for buying a used engine on ebay I guess. Damn it....
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So that means I need a new piston? Or does that mean I have to have the whole engine honed out and buy bigger pistons altogether? Serves me right for buying a used engine on ebay I guess. Damn it....
new pistons and most likely a bore but maybe a hone. you need to have a machine shop measure it first.
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Sweet. I'm so glad I payed 2k to get raped.
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Old 11-07-2008, 02:34 AM   #6
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Sweet. I'm so glad I payed 2k to get raped.
did you pay with paypal? spend some time and try to get your money back, you got nothing to lose.
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Old 11-07-2008, 02:38 AM   #7
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Yeah, Ebay + Paypal. Are you certain that's what I've got here? A broken ringland? Should I take it to a machine shop?

Is what I have worth $2000 or should I seriously try to get a refund? Seems the guy probably knew it was borked.

Edit: I filed a dispute on paypal, hopefully he'll refund me my money and I'll just go buy a damned stock STi Shortblock.
I can't believe I didn't even consider trying to send it back. It's fully covered by paypal apparently too.

Thanks so far guys. Damn I feel so sick to my stomach.

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Old 11-07-2008, 03:26 AM   #8
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Yeah, Ebay + Paypal. Are you certain that's what I've got here? A broken ringland? Should I take it to a machine shop?

Is what I have worth $2000 or should I seriously try to get a refund? Seems the guy probably knew it was borked.

Edit: I filed a dispute on paypal, hopefully he'll refund me my money and I'll just go buy a damned stock STi Shortblock.
I can't believe I didn't even consider trying to send it back. It's fully covered by paypal apparently too.

Thanks so far guys. Damn I feel so sick to my stomach.
i would send it back, its not usable as it is without sticking a few hundred into it. do you have any pics of the bottom end so we can tell if it even has eagle rods? as it sits, i dont think its worth any more than $500 if it has eagle rods and a good crank.
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It does have eagle rods with arp rod studs. I already checked that out. But yeah, if I have to rework this thing... that means new pistons, a bore/hone, new rod bearings, and new main bearings too, right? I'm better off sending the thing back and buying a brand new EJ257 from subaru.

I'm doing some reading right now on swapping pistons out on a new block without boring/honing. I'd like to have the pistons lower the CR instead of a thicker head gasket.

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Old 11-07-2008, 03:53 PM   #10
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Anybody else have opinions on what that damage is and/or how easily it can be fixed? Dude is telling me tough break, and he refused a refund. He's claiming he knew nothing of any damage.

Escalated to dispute.

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I'm trying to figure out how someone is calling busted ringland without looking at the piston skirts? The bores don't look to bad to me where it counts and since the pistons don't extend flush with the deck its OK if you have a little build up around the top.

If it were mine I'd re-ring and hone the block just for good measure and then you can inspect the pistons when you have them out.


Just re-looked at the bottom two pics. What is the white stuff right below the 45 degree bevel?
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Old 11-07-2008, 06:22 PM   #12
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What is the "buildup" from though? It has to have come from somewhere. Not to mention there are a bunch of dings and chips out of the edges of some of the pistons.





Something went wrong in that cylinder.

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Just re-looked at the bottom two pics. What is the white stuff right below the 45 degree bevel?
That's what I was pointing out. It looks like melted aluminum or something.

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Old 11-08-2008, 01:36 AM   #13
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I'm trying to figure out how someone is calling busted ringland without looking at the piston skirts?
just a guess, but looking at the scuffing, marks at the 1 o'clock position, and going by the fact that the ring wasnt scraping to the top of the ridge it would be my guess. either way, its junk.
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Old 11-10-2008, 01:25 PM   #14
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The seller is now offering a 1000 dollar refund to settle the matter. Can anyone help me out by telling me if I can get the block bored/honed, new pistons, and new bearings for about this much? Or should I stick to trying to get a full refund?

Again, thanks so far for the input guys. You all rock.
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The seller is now offering a 1000 dollar refund to settle the matter. Can anyone help me out by telling me if I can get the block bored/honed, new pistons, and new bearings for about this much? Or should I stick to trying to get a full refund?

Again, thanks so far for the input guys. You all rock.
Did he admit he knew he had a problem with the engine? For $1000 you could get new piston fitted and new bearings... hopefully you don't need new pistons though and can pocket some extra cash or put it towards the build.
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No. He's still claiming that he had no idea there was any damage to the engine. Even though the initial photos of the engine he sent me before I bid on it, the pistons and cylinders were dark with carbon. He cleaned them up between then and when he sent the thing to me. I find it hard to believe he didn't notice any of this stuff unless he really knows nothing about engines.

He has said these things:

"I really feel bad about the situation and can guarantee that if I had seen the problems I would not have sent u the block."

"I'm really sorry to hear that, I cannot see a ringland being broken! I left a few comments on paypal for you, really feel bad man, that sucks. surely my car was not smoking or burning oil, so there is no way I would have know unless I would have torn down the motor. Really sorry man but I cannot offer to send a refund, it's just one of those things, you bought at your own risk, I've lost $3500 on a turbo kit and countless other auctions, hope you understnad man"

But now he's offering a refund of 1000 dollars. So yeah, I'm wondering if it'd be worth it to just take that. Trouble is I'm not sure if the pistons are good or not. Sounds like even if the pistons themselves are good, due to the scoring and that wierd crap on the side of the cylinder wall, it'll have to be honed bigger than these pistons will fit.

He's also trying to get me to file a damage claim with ups to see if they'll cover the damage that was caused in shipment.

dent in the oil cooler mating surface



I figured I'd just file it down. Doesn't look like a major issue.

I don't think this is going to be enough for them to give much for the claim. Not to mention they're going to laugh at me when I show them the cardboard box filled with packing peanuts that this thing was shipped in. At least he covered the head mating surface with cardboard and put it inside two trash bags.

What a mess!

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Can you post the auction description? That is what will determine if you have a claim for a full refund or not. If it's clearly fraud, you have options other than selling him back the block at a loss and letting him do the same thing to someone else.

I got hosed on an ebay STi motor from a wrecked car, but I bought it knowing it might need work and hoping for the best. I only spent $900 on it and ended up with a borable block and a good crank so it wasn't a total loss. The auction clearly stated it was in unknown condition and as is.
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You added in a later post, HEADS but you started with saying shortblock. If you got a complete longblock, how many miles on the heads? You need to make sure the oil filter pad isn't cracked. It looks like the motor wasn't packed very well. If he will give you 1k back and the heads are really good, it seems to me to be a ok deal.
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Here is the auction link.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170272854215&sspagenam e=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&viewitem=

Sorry about any confusion as far as what I purchased. It was only a shortblock.

We're currently going through the ups damage claim, and I guess we'll see where that goes. I'd still like more opinions on the partial refund.

I would love to take the thing to a shop and get it evaluated but I have to send it out to ups for the damage claim.

It was not packaged very well at all. After thinking about that I was a little more concerned that there might be other issues due to shipment shock and whatnot.

I'll be so glad when this is over.

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Unfortunately that auction description is pretty vague. If you were to use it and it didn't smoke, he'd be in the clear. In hindsight, I wish I had skipped the ebay block and bought a stock crate STI shortblock. I'd recommend getting the refund and buying the new block as it'll be cheaper in the long run...
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