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Old 08-14-2019, 02:23 PM   #201
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It all depends on how the power is delivered, but I owned a 2015 WRX and after I got over the "wow, this is fast in normal driving compared to the old one" feeling I felt the car was pretty anemic once you actually revved it out. It just felt like it died after 3000RPM which isn't a good feeling whatsoever. I know that's an issue with most of these modern DIT engines from all manufacturers, but I just hope they can keep the redline higher and at least add some "drama" to the STI with the new motor while still adding performance throughout the curve.

I've recently driven some high strung NA motors and that is truly a great feeling. It's something that I truly miss and probably something we'll never see again sadly. I feel like a 6000RPM redline on a "performance" car is the new norm until it's fully electric. The era of 8000+ RPM redlines is most likely over.
I agree, I wasn't impressed by the stock FA20DIT powerband. Adding flex fuel & a tune helped quite a bit.

I think a higher powerband and ~7,500 rpm redline is very reasonable to ask for. Subaru can easily make power up there as proved by many FA20 builds on here. Swapping to a slightly larger turbo and higher flowing intake manifold is all that it takes. They could also change the cam profiles and improve the head flow. The BRZ heads already make power up there. Dual injection (port & direct) also helps with higher RPM power and minimizes carbon buildup. The extra displacement from the FA24 would help offset additional turbo lag.

I've owned a lot of Hondas (S2000, Civic w/ K20a, Civic w/ B18C, etc.) with 8,500-9,000 rpm redlines. Now we live in a time where v8 Mustangs have a higher redline than most cars (Mustang GT 7,500 rpm & GT350 8,250 rpm).
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New STI needs dual injection. Not sure why it's not standard expectation. Haven't heard any downsides to dual injection.
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It’s more complex and expensive for minimal upside. It’s not like Euro Golf R’s are any faster than North American models. People make a big deal over carbon deposits but I would take a walnut blast once every 100k over the cost associated with maintaining a dual injection system out of warranty.
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Old 08-14-2019, 03:51 PM   #204
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That's why I specifically mentioned EJ to EJ; I don't care for the FA20 in the 2015+ WRX; more displacement from the FA24 means you can have a bigger turbo without it feeling laggy, beyond that, the better location and the fact that it's a dual scroll means it hits sooner and stays longer. My car doesn't even really come alive until about 3k and it tapers after 6k, done by 6.5k (but I run it out to 7k sometimes because I can).

If you want 8.2k rpms, buy a GT350, that's what I want. I love NA motors that can wind up, the problem being they need some displacement so you don't have to stay way up in the rev range to have any fun. Another issue is the ever increasing weight of a given class of car.
The EJ257 itself is definitely neutered in terms of RPMs compared to the EJ207 as well, but for what it is, it's definitely a more rev happy motor than the FA20 is. Regardless of its other issues due to its old age.

That's on my shopping list, definitely a great motor. I personally don't mind the low horsepower/high revving cars though. I've recently driven a S2000 and a RX8 and they were an absolute treat to drive. Excellent feeling engines that rev to the moon, despite being low on power for modern standards. Faster than a Miata, but still plenty of fun and you don't get in trouble wringing them out to 8000+ RPM because that's just normal highway speed

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I agree, I wasn't impressed by the stock FA20DIT powerband. Adding flex fuel & a tune helped quite a bit.

I think a higher powerband and ~7,500 rpm redline is very reasonable to ask for. Subaru can easily make power up there as proved by many FA20 builds on here. Swapping to a slightly larger turbo and higher flowing intake manifold is all that it takes. They could also change the cam profiles and improve the head flow. The BRZ heads already make power up there. Dual injection (port & direct) also helps with higher RPM power and minimizes carbon buildup. The extra displacement from the FA24 would help offset additional turbo lag.

I've owned a lot of Hondas (S2000, Civic w/ K20a, Civic w/ B18C, etc.) with 8,500-9,000 rpm redlines. Now we live in a time where v8 Mustangs have a higher redline than most cars (Mustang GT 7,500 rpm & GT350 8,250 rpm).
Yeah, I kept mine stock and then sold it after 3 years because I was bored with it. Luckily I paid invoice for it new and due to the stupidly high resale on them, I barely lost any money on it and got my kicks with having one of the first ones here.

I just hope that they don't reuse that same philosophy with the next gen cars. They really need to at least make the STI feel better than the stock WRX which is clearly built to feel like a 2.0T VW product. These powerful cars that don't rev at all are pretty damn boring once you get used to their power. It is funny seeing Ford as the manufacturer that keeps a high revving engine and actually developing it further. It used to be the Japanese motors that did that, but now they're all headed down the path of 6000RPM redline 4 cylinders which is a shame.
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There are definitely benefits to dual injection:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1...ect-injection/


The BRZ already has Toyota's D4-S dual injection. It's slightly more complex and expensive to develop, but there are benefits and most of the complexity and cost (for development and maintenance) will be related to direct injection which the FA20DIT already has. Port injection is lower pressure and been around forever. Maintenance of that is cheap in comparison. The most expensive aspect of dual injection will be the design and factory tuning.

Dual injection helps be more "energy efficient" with fuel usage and balance power, emissions, mileage, durability, drivability, etc. Both direct & port injection have their downsides, but combining the two pretty much eliminate those. You get the best of both worlds.

I would certainly pay $500 more for a car that has dual injection rather than having to worry about carbon deposits and paying $500+ every 50k miles or so. It's an added headache for maintenance that shouldn't be required.
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I can almost guarantee you that the next STI (if it does get the FA24) will have the same FA24 as the Ascent with some tweaks but the internals and main components will be the same. Think the basic upgrades as in FXT vs WRX with the FA20. There really no need to make this some sort of a F&F crowd wet dream as ICE technology is on the way out anyway and this is such a low volume model. There is NO WAY they will spend money or resources to satisfy few keyboard racers that will likely buy something else anyways. I just don't see it.
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I agree, I wasn't impressed by the stock FA20DIT powerband. Adding flex fuel & a tune helped quite a bit.

I think a higher powerband and ~7,500 rpm redline is very reasonable to ask for. Subaru can easily make power up there as proved by many FA20 builds on here. Swapping to a slightly larger turbo and higher flowing intake manifold is all that it takes. They could also change the cam profiles and improve the head flow. The BRZ heads already make power up there. Dual injection (port & direct) also helps with higher RPM power and minimizes carbon buildup. The extra displacement from the FA24 would help offset additional turbo lag.

I've owned a lot of Hondas (S2000, Civic w/ K20a, Civic w/ B18C, etc.) with 8,500-9,000 rpm redlines. Now we live in a time where v8 Mustangs have a higher redline than most cars (Mustang GT 7,500 rpm & GT350 8,250 rpm).
The FA20 with some corn is a beast.
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Sure, but the Crosstrek isn't going away, and is basically just an Impreza trim.

We all know the wrx and sti will share it's bones with the Impreza chassis. But what interior will it get? A 5 year old impreza interior? I sure hope not.

What are the "bones"? If you are talking chassis, it's the same across the brand now. I'd think the only thing shared here on out is the interior dash.


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So next gen rex based on next gen Impreza and not 2017 impreza?

My miscom there. I meant they said for 2015 that both Impreza and wrx on different timelines but thru deliberately will stagger release dates. Now they due same time like within a year. Maybe the Impreza is gone or there will be bigger differences/separation this time around.

Of note maybe is also that VW aren't going to sell standard boring mk8 golf, only the likely boring looking gti and r.....
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Since we all know Subaru isn't going to make the drivetrain what everyone wants, the best you can do is hope that they improve upon the styling/interior.

They really need to use a different interior or just hold off on the WRX/STI until the Impreza is ready for a comprehensive update. The current gen Impreza is one of the oldest cars in its class at the moment, and the interior is already showing its age in comparison. The Mazda3 and Corolla are way better now, and imagine how the competition will look 8 years from now when the next gen WRX finally goes out to pasture provided it's using the same interior from the current Impreza.

The same goes for exterior styling. Subaru might have a different corporate look by that time too, and the WRX will look old on the outside, look old on the inside, and will probably have a mediocre drivetrain. That's a sure fire way to turn a car into the 370z which has been on sale since the W. Bush administration.

They just really need to do SOMETHING for their "halo" car. Letting it languish isn't an ideal situation. If they want to reduce its production to the final years of the body style a la Focus RS, sure...but don't let it lay around looking pathetic.
I'm gonna have to disagree with the Corolla, 3 interior opinions. I absolutely can't stand the tablet add-on look. The Mazda looks OK beside that one little thing; but, the Corolla? Nah.

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I can almost guarantee you that the next STI (if it does get the FA24) will have the same FA24 as the Ascent with some tweaks but the internals and main components will be the same. Think the basic upgrades as in FXT vs WRX with the FA20. There really no need to make this some sort of a F&F crowd wet dream as ICE technology is on the way out anyway and this is such a low volume model. There is NO WAY they will spend money or resources to satisfy few keyboard racers that will likely buy something else anyways. I just don't see it.
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The question is... after the sti gets the fa24, will the wrx also get one? There’s no other models in the US with the fa20. I guess if they keep building them in Japan it will make sense to keep it. But i could also see them putting a de-tuned fa24 in the wrx.
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FA24 WRX and FXT.

FA22 BRZ.

FA30DIT STI?!
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The torque curve of a “proper” STI-tuned FA24DIT will be glorious. I’m convinced the mod ceiling will be higher than the EJ too. Make it 320/320 with a twin-scroll + DI and prepare to be amazed. Gobs of torque at low rpm, which on an AWD 6MT would be freakin nuts to drive.
Catless, tuned Stg2 will be the awesome.
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The torque curve of a “proper” STI-tuned FA24DIT will be glorious. I’m convinced the mod ceiling will be higher than the EJ too. Make it 320/320 with a twin-scroll + DI and prepare to be amazed. Gobs of torque at low rpm, which on an AWD 6MT would be freakin nuts to drive.
Catless, tuned Stg2 will be the awesome.
I am almost positive the mod ceiling will be higher, but can you just imagine for a second if it somehow wasn't? Imagine the ****storm there would be from all the enthusiasts clamoring for a new, modern motor for the better part of the past decade, only to find out the new FA24 is made of glass and the nearly 30 year old EJ is still a better option for making big power prices on EJ motors would skyrocket!
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Since we all know Subaru isn't going to make the drivetrain what everyone wants, the best you can do is hope that they improve upon the styling/interior.

They really need to use a different interior or just hold off on the WRX/STI until the Impreza is ready for a comprehensive update. The current gen Impreza is one of the oldest cars in its class at the moment, and the interior is already showing its age in comparison. The Mazda3 and Corolla are way better now, and imagine how the competition will look 8 years from now when the next gen WRX finally goes out to pasture provided it's using the same interior from the current Impreza.

The same goes for exterior styling. Subaru might have a different corporate look by that time too, and the WRX will look old on the outside, look old on the inside, and will probably have a mediocre drivetrain. That's a sure fire way to turn a car into the 370z which has been on sale since the W. Bush administration.

They just really need to do SOMETHING for their "halo" car. Letting it languish isn't an ideal situation. If they want to reduce its production to the final years of the body style a la Focus RS, sure...but don't let it lay around looking pathetic.
This. 100%. It's like we're the same person!
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I am almost positive the mod ceiling will be higher, but can you just imagine for a second if it somehow wasn't? Imagine the ****storm there would be from all the enthusiasts clamoring for a new, modern motor for the better part of the past decade, only to find out the new FA24 is made of glass and the nearly 30 year old EJ is still a better option for making big power prices on EJ motors would skyrocket!
For most of the EJs life folks were having to swap internals if they wanted “big power”. Not sure how much the RA’s motor has changed that, and, don’t really care.
Just need a modern engine in that thing. I think 80% of modders, myself included, just want the low-hanging Stg 2 catless setup. Hopefully the 24DIT will deliver and then some.
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I'm gonna have to disagree with the Corolla, 3 interior opinions. I absolutely can't stand the tablet add-on look. The Mazda looks OK beside that one little thing; but, the Corolla? Nah.
Maybe from your opinion on aesthetics, but have you sat in either of them? They are leagues ahead of the 2017+ Impreza which has tons of cheap hard plastic all over the interior. Especially around the center console area.

The tablet thing is a styling cue that some either love or hate, I don't like it personally, but it's what the industry has been doing so it's whatever. I'm just mostly talking about the overall interior experience and the "newer" cars in the segment are way better than the Impreza which along with the pre-updated Civic are the oldest in the class.

I was just mostly making a point that Subaru CANNOT get away with slapping the majority of that interior into the 2021-2022 WRX and expect it to last another 6-8 years beyond that without it looking awful. If it's crappy now, imagine how crappy it will be a decade from now when it's sold in $40k+ cars.
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Dual injection helps be more "energy efficient" with fuel usage and balance power, emissions, mileage, durability, drivability, etc. Both direct & port injection have their downsides, but combining the two pretty much eliminate those. You get the best of both worlds.

I would certainly pay $500 more for a car that has dual injection rather than having to worry about carbon deposits and paying $500+ every 50k miles or so. It's an added headache for maintenance that shouldn't be required.
I'm all about dual injection as well. High-RPM internal combustion excitement is a valuable thing, but RPM for the sake of RPM doesn't make sense. Only makes sense if there is power to be gained at those higher revs, and dual injection can facilitate that in an efficient turbo engine for sure. Plus all of the other benefits, yadda. I'd be pretty interested if the STI got it. (It won't though.)
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The torque curve of a “proper” STI-tuned FA24DIT will be glorious. I’m convinced the mod ceiling will be higher than the EJ too. Make it 320/320 with a twin-scroll + DI and prepare to be amazed. Gobs of torque at low rpm, which on an AWD 6MT would be freakin nuts to drive.
Catless, tuned Stg2 will be the awesome.
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I am almost positive the mod ceiling will be higher, but can you just imagine for a second if it somehow wasn't? Imagine the ****storm there would be from all the enthusiasts clamoring for a new, modern motor for the better part of the past decade, only to find out the new FA24 is made of glass and the nearly 30 year old EJ is still a better option for making big power prices on EJ motors would skyrocket!
I am not so sure where the 24 is going. On paper, it is pretty impressive that Subaru has made it pass emissions. Subaru is not really know for great tunes on the Sti to begin with. The over-square design doesn't lent itself to efficient forced induction either. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

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Pricing released for the 2020 models. The wrx performance package now comes with Brembos. Also, keyless entry standard in all STI models.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/subaru-announces-pricing-for-2020-brz-wrx-and-wrx-sti-performance-model-lines-300902522.html
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Pricing released for the 2020 models. The wrx performance package now comes with Brembos. Also, keyless entry standard in all STI models.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300902522.html
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Maybe from your opinion on aesthetics, but have you sat in either of them? They are leagues ahead of the 2017+ Impreza which has tons of cheap hard plastic all over the interior. Especially around the center console area.

The tablet thing is a styling cue that some either love or hate, I don't like it personally, but it's what the industry has been doing so it's whatever. I'm just mostly talking about the overall interior experience and the "newer" cars in the segment are way better than the Impreza which along with the pre-updated Civic are the oldest in the class.

I was just mostly making a point that Subaru CANNOT get away with slapping the majority of that interior into the 2021-2022 WRX and expect it to last another 6-8 years beyond that without it looking awful. If it's crappy now, imagine how crappy it will be a decade from now when it's sold in $40k+ cars.


Ah, OK. I'll have to go check them out for feel.


But, the current interior was highly praised. Still is in many cases; so, I'm not following the "crappy" interior comment. I do agree it would be nice that a "new" interior is what goes into it since it'll be out either at the same time as the next Impreza or after. There are many things Subaru does that don't surprise me; but, if they did put the older interior in without any sort of update, I think that would surprise me.
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Pricing released for the 2020 models. The wrx performance package now comes with Brembos. Also, keyless entry standard in all STI models.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300902522.html
Finally! Now to decide which to order... Premium WRX w/ performance package, Limited WRX (want those headlights and wish the Premium w/ performance didn't delete the moonroof), or base STi. Decisions, decisions...
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The torque curve of a “proper” STI-tuned FA24DIT will be glorious. I’m convinced the mod ceiling will be higher than the EJ too. Make it 320/320 with a twin-scroll + DI and prepare to be amazed. Gobs of torque at low rpm, which on an AWD 6MT would be freakin nuts to drive.
Catless, tuned Stg2 will be the awesome.
Agreed, the extra displacement over the FA20 and the twin scroll turbo should make for a great powerband. A mechanically stock FA20 with flex fuel can make ~320whp or so. The stock turbo has been pushed close to 400whp with flex fuel and bolt-ons. If the STI gets the FA24, it should easily make 350+ whp with just some ethanol.

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I am almost positive the mod ceiling will be higher, but can you just imagine for a second if it somehow wasn't? Imagine the ****storm there would be from all the enthusiasts clamoring for a new, modern motor for the better part of the past decade, only to find out the new FA24 is made of glass and the nearly 30 year old EJ is still a better option for making big power prices on EJ motors would skyrocket!
This is unlikely Prime Motoring is already pushing the limits of the FA24 from the Ascent (assuming the STI gets some version of this). But I think there will still be a mechanical charm to the EJ and driving experience that it offers.
https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=2907007

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I'm all about dual injection as well. High-RPM internal combustion excitement is a valuable thing, but RPM for the sake of RPM doesn't make sense. Only makes sense if there is power to be gained at those higher revs, and dual injection can facilitate that in an efficient turbo engine for sure. Plus all of the other benefits, yadda. I'd be pretty interested if the STI got it. (It won't though.)
I agree, I don't think that'll get dual injection. The Ascent's FA24 didn't get it and the BRZ's D4-S dual injection system is owned by Toyota.
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Brembos on the WRX! Did the Earth reverse rotation?!?!
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Pricing released for the 2020 models. The wrx performance package now comes with Brembos. Also, keyless entry standard in all STI models.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300902522.html
Wow! I'm shocked that they're including Brembos on the WRX. At least the fronts are only 4 piston (not that it really makes a difference) The performance package added to the premium package puts the price around $32,645 (about $4k less than a base STI).

It looks like the only interesting thing that the STI is getting is "redesigned engine bay cooling ducts in the front bumper"

I'm also surprised that they're bringing back the BRZ tS as I saw quite a few of those sitting at dealerships for a long time. The only real change seems to be that they ditched the huge CF wing.
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Ah, OK. I'll have to go check them out for feel.


But, the current interior was highly praised. Still is in many cases; so, I'm not following the "crappy" interior comment. I do agree it would be nice that a "new" interior is what goes into it since it'll be out either at the same time as the next Impreza or after. There are many things Subaru does that don't surprise me; but, if they did put the older interior in without any sort of update, I think that would surprise me.
I won't say that the 2017 Impreza interior is worst in class, I think that there are worse interiors, but it's certainly not up there with the most recent updated ones. It's already getting a bit dated and it does have a lot of cheap plastic in prime touch locations. I'm just saying it's getting a little long in the tooth 3 years later, I can't imagine how bad it will be years from now.

Well, that depends on what you consider to be an "update". They technically updated the interior for the WRX/STI by adding that godawful fake plastic carbon fiber crap all throughout it and adding a bigger dashboard screen and whatnot. It's not a 1 for 1 with the Impreza/Crosstrek interior of that era...but you can easily tell it's very similar. I just don't want to see it like that again, considering I am still very interested in the next gen. Especially since there really isn't anything left in the class anymore and no matter how old I get, I still really enjoy the "hot hatch" category of car.
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