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Old 08-09-2019, 11:26 PM   #151
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Who wat ? Unfortunately Subaru does't break them down but thankfully the only competitor left does...So wait for it:

https://media.vw.com/releases/1175

Yes, you read that right. Less than 1,500 Golf R models sold at the end of June this year.

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http://media.subaru.com/pressrelease...ver-june-sales
So VW sold 1500 GTIs and Rs in June, and Subaru sold 1800 WRXs and STIs.

What's your point?
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Old 08-10-2019, 12:49 AM   #152
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So VW sold 1500 GTIs and Rs in June, and Subaru sold 1800 WRXs and STIs.

What's your point?
not really a big difference between the two model lines. however considering the size of Subaru compared to Volkswagen, we are lucky to still be building sti and wrx. but I believe that the Subaru SUVs are carrying the bulk of the sales and bring home the bacon. the wrx and STI are part of a subaru rally heritage. business wise the money subaru makes from the SUV's gives them a security blanket to continue building the wrx and STI. thank those suv's, because without them, the wrx and STI may not have still been here.
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Old 08-10-2019, 12:55 AM   #153
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So VW sold 1500 GTIs and Rs in June, and Subaru sold 1800 WRXs and STIs.

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And those VWs are at the absolute end of their lifecycle. The VW plant has already closed to begin the change over for the next gen Golf platform.

Both nice cars. Both worth owning.
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Old 08-10-2019, 07:21 AM   #154
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So VW sold 1500 GTIs and Rs in June, and Subaru sold 1800 WRXs and STIs.

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VW sold 479 Golf R models in June, 1,458 AS OF END Of June YTD. GTI/R 9,863 units combined as of June.

Subaru doesn't break down WRX/STI sales but they sold 12,374 WRX/STI units combined as of June. The point is that the R is really the only competitor left to the STI and the ancient EJ still outsells it.
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Old 08-10-2019, 08:21 AM   #155
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Subaru diviating from hood scoops could also mean that they might test a new engine and drivetrain in what would appear to be an Impreza at a glance. Easier to fly under the radar that way.
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Old 08-10-2019, 11:49 AM   #156
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Subaru diviating from hood scoops could also mean that they might test a new engine and drivetrain in what would appear to be an Impreza at a glance. Easier to fly under the radar that way.
so true, it keeps away curious eyes and allows it to hide in plain sight while they test the new dynamics of the FA24 dit on the global platform the Impreza is already on. they can hide it using the underhood ducting in an impreza body. that way the hood scoop wont give it driving on city streets.
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Old 08-10-2019, 09:29 PM   #157
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VW sold 479 Golf R models in June, 1,458 AS OF END Of June YTD. GTI/R 9,863 units combined as of June.

Subaru doesn't break down WRX/STI sales but they sold 12,374 WRX/STI units combined as of June. The point is that the R is really the only competitor left to the STI and the ancient EJ still outsells it.
For the 4th time you can't say that since we don't know how many STIs are sold. Also the R is now like $42k with minimal discounts. That's serious money for a Golf, especially when a loaded GTI with DCC, Fender etc is $28k.
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Now say it one more time, but this time say it loud for the people in the back!

"SUBARU DOESN'T BREAK DOWN WRX VERSUS STI SALES."

My two cents is that even if it were just the WRX, it's still in a segment of its own. So really the WRX and STI are competing against each other more than ever before. Subaru could discontinue the STI and still do well.

However, if they're not going to discontinue the BRZ because they can take the hit on production capacity, then surely they'll continue to produce the STI.
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:05 AM   #159
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Can we please let the Golf R vs STI production numbers discussion go and get this thread back to what the minor changes are for the 2020 STI so those interested (myself included) have a place to check in.
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You must be new here. This is what happens when there isn't any news to report. Once there's more information, most non-newbs know to update the appropriate thread.

If you think this is bad you should see all the 2020 Outback talk in the 2020 Legacy thread.
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Old 08-11-2019, 02:00 AM   #161
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Srsly. How long was that levorg thread?

The sti is a different beast from the R. Both similar, but so different at the same time. Owning an R, I kind of understand the lower sales. It lives in a weird world of luxury, tech, and performance. Takes a specific buyer. The sti has broader appeal among tuners.
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Old 08-11-2019, 09:24 AM   #162
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You must be new here. This is what happens when there isn't any news to report. Once there's more information, most non-newbs know to update the appropriate thread.

If you think this is bad you should see all the 2020 Outback talk in the 2020 Legacy thread.
Ok guess this place has changed a bit since I have been away.
Carry on and will someone let me know when we have some substantial info on the new MY.
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Srsly. How long was that levorg thread?

The sti is a different beast from the R. Both similar, but so different at the same time. Owning an R, I kind of understand the lower sales. It lives in a weird world of luxury, tech, and performance. Takes a specific buyer. The sti has broader appeal among tuners.
I agree with you. I was having lunch at an outdoor cafe with my daughter, pointing out cars as they drove by. We saw a golf R driven by an old earth momma hippy lady. Iíve never seen an sti driven by someone like that. Theyíre very different cars and they appeal to very different people.
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Old 08-11-2019, 10:57 AM   #164
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While driving my Golf-R I get dissed often by others including SUV's, pickups, and muscle cars.

While driving my WRX or STI, I get none of that. I think there is a fundamental stereotype with small hatches that they are driven by slow, stupid, and weak poor folks (like your typical Honda Fit driver). It's quite hilarious when I open up the gas.

wrx_roggie - I doubt there's much change between the 2020 and 2019's.. you might get a few more options in the non-limited trims, maybe.
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Old 08-11-2019, 04:20 PM   #165
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The WRX is still my favorite to drive in the class (GTI is more comfortable with better stereo etc, but less fun to drive).

So I would love to see them throw us a bone for 202, cause it feels like you're buying a 5 year old car. The performance package was nice, no moonroof helps the headroom, but it's seriously money for a Recaro badge and less content.

Throw us a bone, Subaru. Steal a sale from VW.
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Old 08-12-2019, 10:02 AM   #166
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While driving my Golf-R I get dissed often by others including SUV's, pickups, and muscle cars.

While driving my WRX or STI, I get none of that. I think there is a fundamental stereotype with small hatches that they are driven by slow, stupid, and weak poor folks (like your typical Honda Fit driver). It's quite hilarious when I open up the gas.
I wouldn't worry about it. People are stupid and stereotype everything. I get the same treatment in my DD, especially trucks and SUV's. It's not that fast but it does have torque so I'll go around them, speed past and they get pissed that a little EV is passing them. They'll punch it just to show who is boss. I'm driving normal style. Not trying to stick it to them or anything. Too many have a chip on their shoulder.
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The WRX is still my favorite to drive in the class (GTI is more comfortable with better stereo etc, but less fun to drive).

So I would love to see them throw us a bone for 202, cause it feels like you're buying a 5 year old car. The performance package was nice, no moonroof helps the headroom, but it's seriously money for a Recaro badge and less content.

Throw us a bone, Subaru. Steal a sale from VW.
The performance package is a lot of money for essentially upper half of the seat Recaros. I would like to see the performance package (or just Recaro seats) available on all trims.

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While driving my Golf-R I get dissed often by others including SUV's, pickups, and muscle cars.

While driving my WRX or STI, I get none of that. I think there is a fundamental stereotype with small hatches that they are driven by slow, stupid, and weak poor folks (like your typical Honda Fit driver). It's quite hilarious when I open up the gas.

wrx_roggie - I doubt there's much change between the 2020 and 2019's.. you might get a few more options in the non-limited trims, maybe.
Every vehicle can be stereotyped. I'm probably more surprised you got it in the R and not WRX/STI. Those SUV's, pickups, and muscle cars probably get more stereotyped than you do in your R. Just drive the car you like that fits your needs and wants.
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I got a call from my local dealer 7/25 saying they had received an order number from Subaru for the 2020 WRX/STI but didn't have pricing yet (I had told the dealer I would come in and put an order on a 2020 MY when available). Has anybody else gotten any information about when we may be able to order one? The wait is killing me!
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Pricing should be out any time now.
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Subaru diviating from hood scoops could also mean that they might test a new engine and drivetrain in what would appear to be an Impreza at a glance. Easier to fly under the radar that way.
The 2.4 turbo is making it into the Legacy as the Legacy XT and the Outback as the Outback XT in 2020 (weird that they dropped the GT name for the legacy) - power numbers look to be the same as the Ascent, so it's probably the same engine/turbo combination. I am guessing that's the next STi powerplant, too - though they'll probably get more power out of it. Would be weird for the WRX and STi to drop the hood scoop - it's been a defining feature for so long!
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^^ If they don’t do a top-mount+scoop, they’ll have to make up for it somehow, asthetics-wise. I really hope they don’t go full Honda retard though, this next refresh.
I can barely stomach the wing on the back of the STI now. Keep the fenders bulged and the lines muscular without a bunch of crap hanging off and poking out. Make the headlights aggressive like the current gen.
I’ve been doing a lot of pursuing of the M2 and M2C lately and am pretty torn. I miss my turbo Bimmer, a lot. But a new M2C is a lot to sign up for in more ways than one.
Wish the new STI wasn’t another year-plus out. Wish I knew what the deal is as far as will they keep the 6MT, will they overbuild the engine, will they boy-racer the STI, will they get back to more rawness, will they offer a wing-less trim etc.
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^^ If they donít do a top-mount+scoop, theyíll have to make up for it somehow, asthetics-wise. I really hope they donít go full Honda retard though, this next refresh.
I can barely stomach the wing on the back of the STI now. Keep the fenders bulged and the lines muscular without a bunch of crap hanging off and poking out. Make the headlights aggressive like the current gen.
Iíve been doing a lot of pursuing of the M2 and M2C lately and am pretty torn. I miss my turbo Bimmer, a lot. But a new M2C is a lot to sign up for in more ways than one.
Wish the new STI wasnít another year-plus out. Wish I knew what the deal is as far as will they keep the 6MT, will they overbuild the engine, will they boy-racer the STI, will they get back to more rawness, will they offer a wing-less trim etc.
Brahmzy, you often say things that make sense to me, as in speaking my thoughts, too.

After years of taking this mindset as normal it occurred to me that some of our community didn't join in, taking another path. They seemed happy...

Remembering my favorite cars, those of my distant past, I began to think outside the box outlined in this and similar Turbopowertraiin threads full of the yearning, bitching, arguing power freaks.

Besides the big block monsters I had, which were purpose-built and not fun DDs, it was the little fours in small light cars I enjoyed building most. HP to weight they were stealthy mini-monsters that stalked bmws and alphas... and American muscle with big birds on their hoods. My little 'normal' cars that ruled the twistys and were raptors on the highway have become all but extinct. But their essence is not.

My WRXs and STi, despite how many horses coaxed from them, were always judged against those. And were disappointing in their heft and bulk, not to mention how they were self agrandizing braggarts with their pseudo muscle looks and absurdly large scoops and wings. Always promising more than they could deliver... out of the box anyway. I grew to disdain them.

I got out of it. Amazing what that feels like...
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My WRXs and STi, despite how many horses coaxed from them, were always judged against those. And were disappointing in their heft and bulk, not to mention how they were self agrandizing braggarts with their pseudo muscle looks and absurdly large scoops and wings. Always promising more than they could deliver... out of the box anyway. I grew to disdain them.

I got out of it. Amazing what that feels like...
Sad? Empty? Lonely?

I think I see where you're coming from? Now you're in a regular Impreza and you appreciate a good daily driver instead of chasing performance? You can appreciate the joy of driving without going over the top? Please feel free to correct me on this.

As for the 2020 models, I worry the 2020 STI could be the last raw STI and there is something about that which appeals to me. I'm paying attention to the 2020 and any rumors of what might come after because of that. So far I haven't seen anything outside of this thread.
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No regrets whatsoever, dean. But otherwise, right on.

Just adjusting my sights onto the personal details of an already fine car... instead of always (a lifetime?) fighting the battle with mods, damages (always that too), costs, and worst of all... the ability to use the results.

I started long ago when I could take a track car to the public roads without anyone around, much, or raising an eyebrow. I watched that time pass. Now some five plus decades later I saw myself still doing the same thing, only with all those factors multiplied many times over.

It feels great.

I absolutely understand the other side.

I just accepted reality. Or maybe just grew up. Dunno, some evidence says not.
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While driving my Golf-R I get dissed often by others including SUV's, pickups, and muscle cars.

While driving my WRX or STI, I get none of that. I think there is a fundamental stereotype with small hatches that they are driven by slow, stupid, and weak poor folks (like your typical Honda Fit driver). It's quite hilarious when I open up the gas.
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I think it's because the R has full blend-in status. So many people with base golfs or gti's are out to lunch when they drive, just pissing everyone off. it's like a prius, everyone knows to get the f past them. Then along comes an R, with basically nothing to differentiate it from those goobers... Only if you are into cars do you know what an R is.

When you drive a wrx or sti though, you stick out like a sore thumb as a dumb ahole who is ready to wrap their car around a tree any second. Check out my hood scoop and spoiler... oh and my really loud exhaust that sounds cool. People give you space because they think you're a flat-billing, vaping, ahole who is about to do 90 down the shoulder while letting that boxer rumble rattle their car...

I prefer the effect that the R has. I get to lie in wait, unsuspecting. Then pounce, and leave 'em wondering what the heck just happened...
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