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Old 04-20-2006, 01:31 PM   #1
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Default Need OTter help...new puppy coming and I cant stop it. Need advice...

It was decided that my wife and I would get our daughter a puppy (great dane) for her bday (10th). That was a mutal decision, fine with it etc etc.

As of 30 minutes ago...the "we'll get him in 2 weeks" has turned into "he's coming on saturday". :|

My wife and I work 8 hours a day...she leaves 6:30 I leave 7:15...she's back 4:30/5 and I'm home around 6. During that time....only the cats are home.

I assume I'm going to have to take a few days off to stay with the puppy...but a little voice inside is telling me theres no way I should expect a puppy to be happy in a crate for 8+ hrs a day when nobody is home.

I don't quite know how this should be handled. I've always grown up with dogs...but they could hang out/go out on their own. None of this crate stuff thats been getting popular.

So how does this work...is it ok for him to be in there that long (I REALLY want to say no!)? How much time should I take off to be home with him? couple days...a week???
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Old 04-20-2006, 01:34 PM   #2
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great dane puppy o.O

our dogs are happy in their pen during the day. but they're snack sized for a great dane.
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Old 04-20-2006, 01:35 PM   #3
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I don't think a puppy is going to last 8+ hours with out going to the bathroom somewhere, maybe close in kitchen and try and paper train him?
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Old 04-20-2006, 01:36 PM   #4
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im sure in time he'd be happy...but im getting all wishy-washy...i mean this whole thing seems kinda cruel:

take puppy away from brothers/sisters...only to play with him for 2 days then lock him in a crate (cell) for 8 hours EVERYDAY. He's not going to be used to this, and I don't want to make a sckitzo dog.

I figured...lock him in for an hour or so, then move to a few hours, then 4 or 5 then 8.
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Old 04-20-2006, 01:37 PM   #5
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I don't think a puppy is going to last 8+ hours with out going to the bathroom somewhere, maybe close in kitchen and try and paper train him?
A crate is the best way to train them but puppies need to go every 2-3 hours. My wife went home every day at lunch for months to check on our lab.
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Old 04-20-2006, 01:37 PM   #6
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A great dane?

Leave it in the kitchen for 8 hours, then use this to clean up the ****.



Who the **** told you to get a Great Dane for a 10 year old?
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Old 04-20-2006, 01:37 PM   #7
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you can step it up if you like... but honestly if it's gonna be 8 hours a day then that's what it's gonna be.

our dogs are relatively happy because, well, there are two of them. when it was just one he got a bit frantic about being locked up in the kitchen all day.

but a great dane? looooooooordy. hope you planned to redecorate, cuz good odds he'll throw a tantrum and tear the place apart!
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Old 04-20-2006, 01:38 PM   #9
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Find a dog walker that can let the dog out/take it for a walk when you guys are working. Maybe one or two visits a day or something.

A crate is more than just a habitat, it can be a 'safe area' to go to. Just don't use it as punishment.


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Old 04-20-2006, 01:38 PM   #10
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He wont like being alone for that long. He'll probably tear the place up when he's older. I bet a full grown Great Dane can eat your whole couch in 5 mins.
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Old 04-20-2006, 01:40 PM   #11
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Meh, it'll be dead or crippled before your Daughters Super Sweet 16 party.
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Old 04-20-2006, 01:40 PM   #12
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Don't get a dog just to crate it. People that do should be crated...even if they have justified their selfishness in their own mind. Especially distasteful to do it to a huge dog.

Can't have it all these days. If the wife and you both work, you've made choices that preclude a nice doggy home (not to mention your kid is already in daycare).

+1 for reality.
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Old 04-20-2006, 01:41 PM   #13
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I don't think a puppy is going to last 8+ hours with out going to the bathroom somewhere, maybe close in kitchen and try and paper train him?
yah youre right....we DO have a closed-in back porch. I think thats going to be his home.

Thank you..I hadnt even thought of that!

Just got an email from wife...she's getting him an all-wire crate which makes me feel a little better. I'm suggesting we leave the crate OPEN on the back porch so he'll see the crate as part of his home....not as punishment or anything.

The porch has windows all the way around, a big screen door to the outside and a big glass door on the inside. The cats and him will be able to mingle thru glass, he'll get plenty of air AND there will be a space big enough to lay papers down.
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A crate is more than just a habitat, it can be a 'safe area' to go to. Just don't use it as punishment.


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That's where a lot of people go wrong. They throw the dog in the crate to punish it and then can't figure out why the dog hates it and won't go in it when they leave the house.

When mine are tired they can be found sleeping in their crates with the doors open, especially the little one.
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Old 04-20-2006, 01:42 PM   #15
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I'm happy for you for getting a puppy ( all kids should have a puppy), but a great dane? You're either brave or..ummm... not thinking. That dog will be pooping bigger than your daughter in a year. And make sure you get her a "special" helmet for walks. Good luck mang.
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Don't get a dog just to crate it. People that do should be crated...even if they have justified their selfishness in their own mind. Especially distasteful to do it to a huge dog.

Can't have it all these days. If the wife and you both work, you've made choices that preclude a nice doggy home (not to mention your kid is already in daycare).

+1 for reality.
You know nothing, Dog's are happy in their crates. Obviously the time should be less than 1/3rd of the day thou.

KC has the right idea here.

Even then thou, the dog isnt going to be able to hold it for four hours for quite sometime. Hope you like cleaning.
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you'll need someone to walk him or her mid day. it's not fair to do that to a puppy.

have you considered not getting a dane and simply rescuing and older smaller mutt that will be more managable for your schecules?
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That's where a lot of people go wrong. They throw the dog in the crate to punish it and then can't figure out why the dog hates it and won't go in it when they leave the house.

When mine are tired they can be found sleeping in their crates with the doors open, especially the little one.
Exactly.
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Great Danes ARE big yes. We live on 5 acres with another 34 acres just down the road. Top of a mountain in the middle of nowhere so he'll have TONS of outside space.

Also Danes are one of THE best dogs for kids AND they make a good burgler deterent

We're not OCD so if he makes a mess...he makes a mess. Once he's out of puppy stage he'll have the entire backyard AND the garage AND the front yard AND the back porch.
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yah youre right....we DO have a closed-in back porch.
Not for long once he grows up!

CRASH!
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think it's an irresponsible choice of dogs.
Does not fit your situation..

better off getting a Dalmation, or a St. Bernard..
atleast you'd have a movie to blame for your poor choice in dogs.
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Great Danes ARE big yes. We live on 5 acres with another 34 acres just down the road. Top of a mountain in the middle of nowhere so he'll have TONS of outside space.

Also Danes are one of THE best dogs for kids AND they make a good burgler deterent

We're not OCD so if he makes a mess...he makes a mess. Once he's out of puppy stage he'll have the entire backyard AND the garage AND the front yard AND the back porch.

Is it possible to use the dog training tips but fence a small area of the backyard and give him access from the back porch for awhile? Maybe until you can chain him up or give free reign when he is a bit older?
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Everything I've read about dalmations point to them being high-maintenance, cat haters and prone to snapping at people. We DID consider the dalmation, definately...it just doesnt have a rep that made me want to get one
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Is it possible to use the dog training tips but fence a small area of the backyard and give him access from the back porch for awhile? Maybe until you can chain him up or give free reign when he is a bit older?
Yah. I think I can hill-billy some kind of fencing together this weekend definately.
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