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Old 04-02-2018, 08:46 PM   #251
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Yet when Enzo did it (gated shifters) people praise him...
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Old 04-02-2018, 09:43 PM   #252
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M3 motor and DCT, I may be able to live with that. DCT and 340i motor, I would say no thanks. And for the first choice I would expect Toyota to have their own ECU, Suspension and Brake setup. Just sayin’ that is all.
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Old 04-28-2018, 12:03 AM   #253
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I saw a Supra test mule today -- there was no mistaking it, even though it was in camo, I'd recognize its shape anywhere. I only saw it for a few seconds but it didn't seem too much bigger than the 86.
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Old 04-28-2018, 12:06 AM   #254
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Cars are awesome. I’d like to get a Supra and one of the new Ford Broncos coming out soon.
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Old 04-28-2018, 10:18 AM   #255
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I saw a Supra test mule today -- there was no mistaking it, even though it was in camo, I'd recognize its shape anywhere. I only saw it for a few seconds but it didn't seem too much bigger than the 86.
Looks like big Toyoat86 or BRZ with bubble roof. I don't expect the deep side panel cuts.
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Old 04-28-2018, 11:02 AM   #256
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Please be a built N54, if its any other BMW inline 6 its gonna sound like a buzzing piece of ****.
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Old 04-28-2018, 11:30 AM   #257
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Looks like big Toyoat86 or BRZ with bubble roof. I don't expect the deep side panel cuts.
The rear fenders definitely looked wide but I didn't see the vents in that area that were on the concept car.

I'm hoping to somehow find it today, since a lot of test mules drive through this area.
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Old 04-29-2018, 08:03 PM   #258
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Please be a built N54, if its any other BMW inline 6 its gonna sound like a buzzing piece of ****.
N55 sounds pretty good IMO. It's the S55 that doesn't sound great.
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Old 06-07-2018, 07:55 AM   #259
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Toyota hasn’t even unveiled the new Toyota Supra yet, but a new report claims to have some of the initial specs and pricing. While Toyota has yet to confirm anything, the new report claims that the new Supra will be quite expensive with a $63,500 price tag.


According to SupraMKV forums, the new Supra will start in the mid-$60k range in the United States, which places it right in the same price range as the Porsche 718 Cayman. The report also claims that the Supra will be powered by a BMW-sourced 3.0L turbocharged six-cylinder engine with 335 horsepower and 369 lb-ft. of torque, which puts it directly in the middle of the 718 Cayman and 718 Cayman S models.

The reports also claims that the new Supra will have a 0-60 mph time of 4.5 seconds.

Other specs in the report claims that the Supra will ride on 19-inch wheels, while the interior will get a digital gauge cluster and BMW’s updated iDrive infotaiment system. Even the steering wheel will reportedly come from BMW.

While we can’t fully confirm these reports, if the specs are true, then the new Toyota Supra will be less powerful than its cousin, the BMW Z4. BMW has already confirmed that the next generation 2019 Z4 will arrive with a 3.0L six-cylinder with 380 horsepower. An additional leak also hints that a cheaper Supra might be in the works with a 2.0L turbocharged engine with around 248 horsepower.
The following is a list of details and specs of the MKV Supra in US-spec. These details are unconfirmed, but are from a valid origin.

3.0l Turbo I6, 335hp/369lb-ft
0-60: 4.5 seconds
~3300 lbs
~$63.5K USD MSRP
Heads-up Display, Lane assist, Pre-Collision warning, Navigation, Parking assist, etc as standard.
Our rendered images are fairly accurate to the real car. Small details are different.
Side mirrors are the BMW-esque 3-series takeoffs that we all complained about, blacked out.
New Supra badge.
Grey and Red "GR" badge on rear of car.
Wheels are 19” two-tone split 5 spokes. Likely the ones found here: 2019-Toyota-Supra-spyshots-4.jpg
Body fender “vents” are fake, both front and rear.
Interior is objectively quite nice:
Seats are black leather sports seat. Nice stitching and accents.
High-quality materials. Nice plastics. Lexus level quality
Center console has a BMW-style screen with iDrive. UI is reskinned slightly.
Instrument cluster is fully digital. Physical readouts flank the screen around it
Radio/HVAC controls similar to BMW, but separated into two separate stacks.
Steering wheel is standard BMW wheel with Toyota logo.
HVAC vents are nice, thin like newer Lexuses with a splash of chrome.
Overall dashboard is a good look, quality interior. Shape and style is different to Z4.
The auto shifter looks similar to BMW.
Standard iDrive controls left of the shifter.
Overall interior is bespoke, not the same as Z4, more sporty. But shares some switchgear.
The car has a Heads Up Display
There is a rear strut bar in brushed aluminum.
I will update this post if the information changes.
https://www.supramkv.com/threads/new...kv-supra.1306/
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:09 AM   #260
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3.0l Turbo I6, 335hp/369lb-ft
0-60: 4.5 seconds
~3300 lbs
~$63.5K USD MSRP
At that price and those specs, I see absolutely *zero* reason to buy this car instead of a 718, M2, GT350, CPO 911, etc. Additionally, each car in that list can be had with a proper manual transmission.
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:16 AM   #261
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At that price and those specs, I see absolutely *zero* reason to buy this car instead of a 718, M2, GT350, CPO 911, etc. Additionally, each car in that list can be had with a proper manual transmission.


Yea, I’m a Toyota fanboy and this car is DOA with those specs.

I’ve read there will be 3 grades. 2.0T, 3.0T, and 3.0T (M3 level powertrain). I could see the M3 level car having a $63k MSRP. Certainly not a 335hp version, though.
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:36 AM   #262
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I could see the M3 level car having a $63k MSRP.
Agreed, that seems more realistic. Another Toyota fan here - we a have a 2017 Tacoma (TRD Off-Road) and a 2016 4Runner (Trail) and love them both.
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:38 AM   #263
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Arent most "hot hatches" hitting these number nowadays? I know they arent "real sports cars" but $60K?
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:44 AM   #264
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3,300lbs is not light. For comparison:

My four door wagon weighs less than that without the use of exotic materials & it has a sunroof, three pedals, and cost significantly less than 63.5k loaded. Granted, it doesn't hit 60 in 4.5 seconds and reliably churn out north of 300hp, but hey, it's 13 years old, puberty is rough for cars.

A Miata is 1,000lbs lighter (but down 200hp), maybe buy two or three Miatas instead?

A fourth gen Supra came in at about this weight with about this power level; have we made zero progress in the past 20+ years?

I wonder how it would stack up against a 2004 STi with a tune & today's rubber or 2003 Evo with today's rubber. A nicer place to be, but performance wise a big ole "meh".

Auto only; why Toyota, why? That should be reserved for the Lexus "SC" version.
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To be fair, a 4th gen Supra, did not need the insane amount of drivers tech bull crap loaded into it that this car will. It was also not subjected to the overly harsh new crash test regulations. So cars have to be heavier to pass all these new regs.
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At that price and those specs, I see absolutely *zero* reason to buy this car instead of a 718, M2, GT350, CPO 911, etc. Additionally, each car in that list can be had with a proper manual transmission.
CPO Jaguar F Type R.
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You can get one hell of a souped up 86 or Miata for that kind of money. Or get a Cayman...
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Needs at least 400 hp at that price and curb weight and point of existing, etc, etc.
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To be fair, a 4th gen Supra, did not need the insane amount of drivers tech bull crap loaded into it that this car will. It was also not subjected to the overly harsh new crash test regulations. So cars have to be heavier to pass all these new regs.
To be fair, making horsepower is much easier now than it was in the 90's, also see the above mentioned Miata - it passes those safety regs and comes in 1,000lbs under and has most of, if not all of, the tech BS this car will have.

On the fourth gen supra comment - stamped steel everywhere, hardly any aluminum used save for what, the hood? also IRON BLOCKED engine; I get that cars are heavier for safety, but high strength steel (main structure), aluminum (engine, suspension hard parts, calipers, hood, fenders), carbon fiber (roof, deck-lid, seat structure) should all be utilized for the modern iteration, especially since it's going to be north of 60k.

A mustang GT is comes in around 3,800, A Camaro SS comes in around 3,700, they have two more cylinders and use hardly any exotic materials.
A 370z comes in under 3,300lbs, and you know how much effort Nissan has put into the Z-car.

What Toyota did, was have BMW build them a high priced Luxury GT car and slap on some "Supra" badges.

They used a similar model with Subaru, but that was a much cheaper car, and a much more driver focused car than this sled will be.

This is not a Toyota Supra, it's a Lexus SC XXX, and it's going to bomb.
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all good points.. cant argue with anything you said.
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Yet another excellent choice and worth it for the sound alone.

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This is not a Toyota Supra, it's a Lexus SC XXX, and it's going to bomb.
Yes and yes.
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If it's going to use a BMW engine and cost more than an M2 shouldn't it at least have as much HP as the M2?
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If it's going to use a BMW engine and cost more than an M2 shouldn't it at least have as much HP as the M2?


This $63k quote doesn’t say which trim. My guess is that $63k is the GRMN trim. One of the project leads was quoted saying that the TT I6 was an important hallmark of the Supra and that needed to be carried over. That would be more like the M3/M4 engine than the N55.
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