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Old 03-09-2010, 09:55 AM   #576
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I dont mean to but in and cut whats going on .
How hard is it to wire the the ez30 in an 97 obs? i got my hands on an 03 outback motor and complete harness with ecu for $1200. My 2.2 is dying in my obs,so i went to the junk yard to pick up a motor and found the outback with 80k on it. Im new to subaru but no stranger to wiring.. I have quiet a few rb25, rb26, 1jz and 2jz into 240's and 240z's that i have done. From reading on here and rs25 this is not something you want to take on as a newibe. I tried asking the subie guys in the area for help that turned out to be a dead end, because i refuse to pay between 1200 to 2000 hundred dollars just for wiring.
so i would like to attempt this myself
Is there any info you guys can give me to get me started.
this coming week i'm off, my only time off for a very long time, so i can go in on this and hopefully get it running by the end of the week. Motor is in rad and all fluids are in , just have to wire it to start.
i have the complete factory service manual for the OBS but i have no info on the legacy outback as far as wiring.
So any help at all will be welcome.
clues where to start? etc etc
i already took pictures on the mechancally stuff
hopefully this could turnout to be a great write up.
Where to start? You will need both cars' schematics. I mapped mine out by hand on paper. I know what pins are what color and function on both cars. Cut the harness at the ECU side FIRST and match up what you can, one at a time, to the H6 ECU you got with your engine. I will be doing it this way because the odds are greater I'll be able to keep the color codes closer OEM. If I were to cut the engine side first, There may be wires for the Outback that are different. If that's the case, the engine harness would have to stay a mess until I got the ECU wired just incase I have to double check a wire's color. If the colors on the Outback (at the connectors) were different I'd be screwed if it was wrapped up. Some of the original H4 connectors may even be used. I doubt O2s have changed right? My $.02 on that anyways.
I hope this thread doesn't turn out to be anything. I wish I got my reading time back. There should at least be FULL engine dimensions in the first page of posts. I'll have my own write-up on this when I start my build.

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Old 03-09-2010, 03:44 PM   #577
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Specs on rods?
weight, height, thickness, manufacturer, forged, R or D(12100aa141/250 and 12100141aa may or may not be the same at some point), when, and what would you require for anyone looking to go in on you for an order?
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Old 03-13-2010, 03:33 AM   #578
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Did the EZ30D ever have a fuel pressure regulator or did it always have a variable speed pump?
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Old 03-13-2010, 03:56 AM   #579
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Have now got supposedly definintive head gasket part numbers for EZ30
left and right 30D
10944AA003
11044AA603

left and right 30R
10944AA010
11044AA660

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Old 03-23-2010, 04:42 AM   #580
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Did the EZ30D ever have a fuel pressure regulator or did it always have a variable speed pump?
Not sure about the D but the R had a variable speed pump. Most convert it to recuiculating like the rest of the Subis by modding the fuel rails to have an exiting bundge for the return.
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Old 03-25-2010, 02:25 AM   #581
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I know we went over it at some point but does anyone remember if we are able to rotate the intake manifolds on any of the H6's? I'm gonna go with no and the clearances wouldn't work with the hood anyways.
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Old 03-30-2010, 01:37 AM   #582
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Not sure about the D but the R had a variable speed pump. Most convert it to recuiculating like the rest of the Subis by modding the fuel rails to have an exiting bundge for the return.
My '03 D also had a variable speed pump. Have any specific info on the mod for the rails? I'm thinking my wacky dyno readings all have to do with fuel pressure.
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Old 03-30-2010, 01:45 AM   #583
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If you guys have the ability to swap in engines and ECUs why don't you use the fuel pump modulator from the original car the H6 came from and wire it in?

I'd guess in the next month or two I'll have an RS and an EZ30R in the same room. I'm a solution finder. Issues -will- be solved.
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Old 03-30-2010, 02:21 AM   #584
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Good luck.

The solution fuel rail wise is to tap and exit to the fuel tails for a return line and run a normal Subaru pump assembly with the return feed. Then as stated wiring in the FPR.
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Old 03-30-2010, 02:22 AM   #585
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Oh and add the fuel filter. In the R and if the D is returnkess also I would gather in the D also the filter is PART of the pump assembly.
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Old 03-30-2010, 02:45 AM   #586
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Oh and add the fuel filter. In the R and if the D is returnkess also I would gather in the D also the filter is PART of the pump assembly.
That filter will have to go and get replaced with an in-line. I'll be using the 2001 Outback ECU and it doesn't have the PWM pump. An FIC will give me the tuning I need for larger injectors. Valve timing and lift will be controlled with a 2 step NOS trigger and relays.
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Old 03-30-2010, 03:19 AM   #587
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Keep us updated. Kevin at Garage Tuning is working on testing a box to use to run the EZ30R. At least mine anyways.
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Old 03-30-2010, 03:24 AM   #588
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Keep us updated. Kevin at Garage Tuning is working on testing a box to use to run the EZ30R. At least mine anyways.
Box for what? Valve control?
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Old 03-30-2010, 02:49 PM   #589
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If you guys have the ability to swap in engines and ECUs why don't you use the fuel pump modulator from the original car the H6 came from and wire it in?

I'd guess in the next month or two I'll have an RS and an EZ30R in the same room. I'm a solution finder. Issues -will- be solved.
Mine is in a non ej car. My pump stock is external under the car. No way to run the stock setup.
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Old 03-30-2010, 03:50 PM   #590
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Mine is in a non ej car. My pump stock is external under the car. No way to run the stock setup.
I dunno. I guess personally I could wire any pump in any car using any method fixed or variable pump and make it work. I don't see what the problem is.
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Old 03-30-2010, 09:27 PM   #591
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ok guys swaps done, car started, write up will be up soon, to kill some myths ...Now the problem ..car wont go in any gear whens car is on. Everything bolted up fine.. Clutch fork is at full travel and cable tighten to hell....

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03 ez30d

97 2.2 obs stock manual drive line

competition stage 2 clutch for the 2.2

anyone every had this problem?
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Old 03-30-2010, 09:37 PM   #592
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I dunno. I guess personally I could wire any pump in any car using any method fixed or variable pump and make it work. I don't see what the problem is.
To me it's a heckuva lot easier and cheaper to add a fitting on the end of the fuel rail, put a AFPR there, and call it a day. I don't know what the capacity of the Tribeca's fuel pump is, I don't know if it will easily fit in place of my stock pump, I don't know how easy it is to source the variable fuel pump controller or how much it would cost to get one, I don't know if that variable fuel pump controller interfaces with the ECU, and if so if it would be functional with an aftermarket ECU, etc etc. An awful lot of unknowns that I can easily forget about if I just use the more conventional fueling setup.
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Old 03-30-2010, 10:38 PM   #593
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To me it's a heckuva lot easier and cheaper to add a fitting on the end of the fuel rail, put a AFPR there, and call it a day. I don't know what the capacity of the Tribeca's fuel pump is, I don't know if it will easily fit in place of my stock pump, I don't know how easy it is to source the variable fuel pump controller or how much it would cost to get one, I don't know if that variable fuel pump controller interfaces with the ECU, and if so if it would be functional with an aftermarket ECU, etc etc. An awful lot of unknowns that I can easily forget about if I just use the more conventional fueling setup.
That's about what I'd do. Did the Tribeca have the pwm pump?
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Old 03-31-2010, 09:53 AM   #594
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alittle help please
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Old 03-31-2010, 10:03 AM   #595
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I'm thinking this is more transmission related than swap related. You may get and asnwer in the trans section. Or getting it to a transmission specialist.
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Old 03-31-2010, 12:37 PM   #596
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Your trans is blown or your clutch is disengaged if it wont spin the wheels. Maybe from your "tightened to hell" cable? If it won't "go into gear" when running, then the input shaft must still be turning. Pilot bearing? Disc not fully disengaged? I always check that **** first before I wire-up the rest of an engine. Saves alot of time when you have to pull it out to see whats wrong huh? Not rocket science here. Only a few things it could be. Put it in gear first then start the car. Is the trans dragging along?
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Old 03-31-2010, 05:01 PM   #597
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^ what he said somewhere in there, your clutch wont disengage. i bet if you start the car with the trans in gear you start moving.

there is some issue between your throwout bearing and your clutch pedal, or some issue with that new clutch/pressure plate.
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Old 03-31-2010, 09:18 PM   #598
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problem solve took it apart re-torqued everything....and put in a taller pivot pin for the clutch folk.. car is up and running put my first 50 miles on it today.
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Old 03-31-2010, 11:12 PM   #599
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problem solve took it apart re-torqued everything....and put in a taller pivot pin for the clutch folk.. car is up and running put my first 50 miles on it today.
Details for the rest of us? What you needed to change? What didn't work and what did?
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http://rapidshare.com/files/370911919/wiring.pdf.htmlEG33 diagram PDF #1. #2 will be requested material.

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