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Old 03-17-2017, 11:41 AM   #251
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I saw all the replies and I was like "**** yeah, looks like Scraps leased the Alpha!" Nope, just old men bitching about injuries. Lol, I keed, I keed.

Wishing you a speedy recovery Avanti!
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Old 03-17-2017, 11:43 AM   #252
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For fearful gringos, just stay at Meridian and never leave. Next on the list would be Infinity Bay - hotel next door has the one decent restaurant. Ye ole rape and pillage is not allowed there. But if you go anywhere you're not supposed to be, aka anywhere locals can reach by car or foot without gates and security, you will be defiled.
Gee, just hop a plane to Hawaii or if you want exotic go to Thailand. I never go anywhere I don't feel safe. Life is too short and precious.
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Old 03-19-2017, 10:35 AM   #253
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Took a Ti AWD for a test drive yesterday. Trying to arrange the mirror up a little bit to get it out of my way, I broke it. Oops.

But wow. What a great handling car. Steering is very direct, good feel. Quiet, has some punch out of that little 2.0L turbo. Couldn't tell where in the rev range in any gear it was without looking at the tach it was that smooth.

Handles really well too.

Cabin is 'cozy' for a taller person. Feels like it is smaller inside than my impreza, and I think it may be. But the seating position is great, plenty of room for left foot breaking and balancing the car.

No idea about radio. Didn't listen to it. But cruising on the highway it's easy to do 80 without even feeling it. It's a highway cruiser. Comfy. Eager. Asking for more.

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Old 03-19-2017, 01:44 PM   #254
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Took a Ti AWD for a test drive yesterday. Trying to arrange the mirror up a little bit to get it out of my way, I broke it. Oops.

But wow. What a great handling car. Steering is very direct, good feel. Quiet, has some punch out of that little 2.0L turbo. Couldn't tell where in the rev range in any gear it was without looking at the tach it was that smooth.

Handles really well too.

Cabin is 'cozy' for a taller person. Feels like it is smaller inside than my impreza, and I think it may be. But the seating position is great, plenty of room for left foot breaking and balancing the car.

No idea about radio. Didn't listen to it. But cruising on the highway it's easy to do 80 without even feeling it. It's a highway cruiser. Comfy. Eager. Asking for more.

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Can you compare to some other cars? Didn't you have an SS and/or an Alpha Camaro? Interested about steering and handling specifically - assume QF would be similar...
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Old 03-19-2017, 01:55 PM   #255
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I did have an SS. The Alfa is sharper and more surgical in feel compared to the SS. Steering is lighter, turn in is MUCH crisper, and requires just a little less effort. It makes sense because the whole car is lighter, and the 4cyl turbo vs 8cyl in the front and their weight difference is telling. It was only a test drive and I would need more time pushing things to really make a more thorough determination.

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Old 04-20-2017, 08:41 AM   #256
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DRAG RACE : Giulia Quadrifoglio VS M3 Pack Competition VS ATS-V

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3nn7oF...ature=youtu.be


Watch a Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio Drag Race an ATS-V and an M3

It's a battle between the six-cylinder turbocharged sports sedans.


The BMW M3 is truly facing stronger competition than ever. Its newest rivals, the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio and the Cadillac ATS-V, are two of the quickest, sweetest-handling four-doors currently on the market. Sports sedans like this are more about corners than straight-line performance, but come on, you know you want to see who wins in a drag race.

France's Motorsport Magazine got an ATS-V, a Giulia Quadrifoglio, and an M3 Competition Package together for a standing-kilometer (0.62-mile) race. It's a fair fight too, because all three cars are equipped with automatic (or dual-clutch, in the M3's case) transmissions.

The 464-hp Cadillac ATS-V gets off the line better than the M3 and the Giulia, but quickly finds itself trailing. Despite having less horsepower, the M3 stays right on the Giulia's tail, but the Alfa manages to take victory. The Alfa does the 1000-meter run in 22 seconds, while the M3 and ATS-V cross the line in 22.2 and 22.8 seconds, respectively.

You're probably wondering where the Mercedes-AMG C63 S is. Well, Motorsport Magazine said that in a separate test, the AMG ran the standing kilometer in 22.1 seconds. So victory remains the Alfa's.

If nothing else, we can conclude that these sports sedans offer impressive straight-line performance. And they're just as excellent in corners.
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Old 04-21-2017, 07:12 AM   #257
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Alfa is back in building real sport cars and sedans, but the 4C is not dropping in price, used, as I hoped it would.
However, the used Giulia will have to compete against the used M3 and C63, so maybe its value will be limited by the value loss of those.
But when it's really really used, it can be tricky to upkeep one, but again, the used 4C's are still in the 50's, with some of them already having some miles.
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Old 04-21-2017, 08:10 AM   #258
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Totally surprising drag race! The car with the most power finished 1st. The car with the 2nd highest power finished 2nd. The lowest powered (and also heaviest) car finished 3rd.
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Old 06-04-2017, 02:40 PM   #259
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So for ****s & giggles I was running errands past a local Alfa dealership yesterday, I stopped in and took a test drive of a Giulia, inline 4 turbo model in Sport trim (has similar look, wheels, stance to the QF, passive sport suspension compared to the active mag ride of the QF).

Holy sh** this was a really nice driving sport sedan and when the drive mode was set to dynamic, it had a really impressive linear power band response that felt like a 280 hp engine, much better than Audi's 260 hp inline 4 in their base A4. Suspension was taut but not overly firm and well damped, I threw it around local street corners at 30 mph with little body roll. The only reason I'd consider aftermarket suspension would be cosmetic (to eliminate wheel gap).

Overall a really nice drivers package. If I didn't already replace my Audi with a new daily driver this would definitely be a 3 year lease contender (still do not trust the Alfa brand for long term ownership) and it comes with a std 4 year, 50k bumper to bumper. Not bad at all.

IMO, the Giulia is the driver oriented luxury sport sedan that Audi has always strived for but never quite achieved, that the 3 series USED to be but has lost its way a couple generations back, and that the C Class probably never will be.

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Old 06-05-2017, 02:09 PM   #260
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this would definitely be a 3 year lease contender (still do not trust the Alfa brand for long term ownership)
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Old 06-06-2017, 01:41 PM   #261
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2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio track day: exhilaration and disappointment

Italian cars are known for two things: driving passion and a finicky nature. So when I finagled my way into a 2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio for a track day event, I was hoping that I would experience the former and avoid the latter.

Instead I got a healthy dose of both.

On Memorial Day, I was part of a private group that attended a track day in western Michigan on Gingerman Raceway's 11-turn, 2.14-mile road course. The Giulia Quadrifoglio in question came with a $72,000 starting price; Vesuvio Gray Metallic paint for an extra $600; an air quality system ($250); the Driver Assistance Launch package ($1,200) with forward collision warnings, lane departure warnings, automatic high beams, and an infrared windshield; a cargo net ($150), the Harman/Kardon premium audio system ($900), the killer 19-inch bright 5-hole wheels ($400), yellow calipers ($500), and a $1,595 destination charge for a total of $77,595.

Since none of our Motor Authority editors have driven the Giulia Quadrifoglio on a closed course, I approached Alfa Romeo about getting the car for this track day way back in February. Alfa agreed, but as the day neared, the reality hit me that I would be driving a possibly fussy Italian car on a 270-mile roundtrip from my home in Chicago to the track in South Haven, Michigan, and subjecting it to five or six 15-minute stints around the track.

Exhilaration

When I arrived at the track, I decided to keep my outings to 10 minutes—essentially five hard laps with some additional time for a cool-down lap. I decided to leave a good 20-30 minutes between sessions to give the car enough time to properly cool down before taking it out again.

It didn't take long on my first stint to learn that this car is special. The turn-in is astounding, aided by the lightning quick 11.8:1 steering ratio, which is the fastest that I know of for any car on the market. Perhaps some supercars are quicker, but it's certainly the quickest in any sport sedan. The Alfa simply carved through corners, but only when I got the speed under control. It's easy to over drive this car into a turn, and make the front end wash out, despite the sticky Pirelli P Zero Corsa Asimmetrico 2 tires. At 245 millimeters wide up front, I get the feeling that they could be wider, and the combination of speed and laser sharp turn-in makes them susceptible to understeer despite their glue-like 60 treadwear rating.

Get that speed under control, however, and the Quadrifoglio's handling turns very neutral, letting you play with the balance via the throttle pedal mid-turn. During my first couple of sessions, I was just learning to do this in the 5-6 "Deep Demon" double apex, the turn 8 carousel, and the turn 9 "Wiggly Field" right hander that lets you carry a lot of speed into turn 10B.

The way the car accelerates is also intoxicating. Yes, it makes its best power over 4,000 rpm, but in Dynamic mode the 8-speed automatic stays in as low a gear as possible, keeping the 2.9-liter V-6 in its power band. Squeeze the throttle exiting a turn and the car slingshots forward, building speed quickly. At the end of the longest straight, it hit 128 mph, 4 mph faster than the ATS-V I had here two years ago. The low-pitched sound is also like nothing else on the market.

I had no issue modulating the brakes despite the fact that this is a brake-by-wire system. On a track, you brake hard to get your speed under control for that next corner. I had a few minor issues on the street with pedal modulation, but this system isn't bad.

During my second stint, I started to play with Race mode, which shuts off the stability control and leaves the shifting up to the driver. Alfa fits what must be the largest shift paddles on the planet, so reaching them is no problem. I still wasn't entirely comfortable with the car's handling, and I didn't like the fact that the digital speed readout had given way to a gear indicator, so I soon switched back to Dynamic mode, thinking I'd try Race next time. By the way, that gear indicator also includes a shift light, but Alfa Romeo's graphic should make it more obvious when to shift. I don't want to have to concentrate on the shift light when driving on a track.

A check of the GoPro shows I was turning consistent 1:49-1:50 laps, perhaps dipping into the 1:48 range. That's a bit of a disappointment, as I got into the 1:46s with the ATS-V. However, steering feel isn't this car's best friend and I was still getting a feel for car's limits of grip. Had I more time in the car, I'm sure I would have been able to take advantage of those sticky tires, carry more speed into those aforementioned corners, and taken the lap time down to the 1:46 or even 1:45 range.

Alas, that was not to be.

Disappointment

The disappointment came on the first lap of only my third stint. After just two turns, it flashed a message that the brake fluid was low. Within a couple more turns, the car started spitting out maintenance message after maintenance message, and by turn 9 it went into limp mode. I shut it down and headed into the pits, hoping 30 minutes of cool down would correct any issues.

After about 20 minutes I was down two just two codes. That's when I decided to disconnect the battery to try to reset the computer. I did that, waited 10 minutes or so, and reconnected the cables. The result? All the codes came back.

Well, that was it. My day was done. My worst fears were realized. This brilliant, finicky, exotic, Italian car did just what I feared it might. It thrilled me for two track sessions, then decided I wasn't worthy and that it didn't want any more track time.

At least none of the issues was mechanical, and I was able to drive it home.

I called Alfa Romeo communications department to inform them of the issue. A PR representative said that tis particular car was a very early build and it might still need some of the kinks ironed out.

I just hope that some day I get a chance to really drive this car hard and see what it can do for longer than 20 minutes.
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Old 06-06-2017, 02:35 PM   #262
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As soon as I read the title I knew that the story would end in with the car in limp mode. You would think with their reputation that Alfa may have done a better job testing the cars before production or keep a closer eye on QA in assembly. Seems like they are simply incapable of building anything of quality or reliability. Such a shame because it sounds like when it's running it's a great car.
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Old 06-06-2017, 09:12 PM   #263
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As soon as I read the title I knew that the story would end in with the car in limp mode. You would think with their reputation that Alfa may have done a better job testing the cars before production or keep a closer eye on QA in assembly. Seems like they are simply incapable of building anything of quality or reliability. Such a shame because it sounds like when it's running it's a great car.
I don't know whether or not the article is a complete depiction of what happened with the car out on the track, but I would have at least checked brake fluid level.
Shutting the car down and hoping for the best is kind of a weird attitude given the first message he got from the car.
Even a well built machine can lose brake fluid on track if the cap on the reservoir is loose...
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