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Old 04-15-2018, 09:17 PM   #276
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So glad they didn't use the VSC. Good race because of the SC. VSC needs to die.

SC gives more racing, which F1 is always missing. Yeah some drivers got screwed, but nothing new - that happens in all kinds of racing when yellows come out.
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So glad they didn't use the VSC. Good race because of the SC. VSC needs to die.

SC gives more racing, which F1 is always missing. Yeah some drivers got screwed, but nothing new - that happens in all kinds of racing when yellows come out.
yeh, but it's artificial. At that point we might as well just go Nascar or IRL style where cautions basically gift wins to people who just happen to luck out.

I hate "luck" based wins. Strategy wins are different, i.e. where someone deliberately goes long knowing a history of SCs on the track etc. Don't believe the RBRs were planning for that and got gifted for a perfect 2 stop strategy.
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Old 04-15-2018, 10:09 PM   #278
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yeh, but it's artificial. At that point we might as well just go Nascar or IRL style where cautions basically gift wins to people who just happen to luck out.

I hate "luck" based wins. Strategy wins are different, i.e. where someone deliberately goes long knowing a history of SCs on the track etc. Don't believe the RBRs were planning for that and got gifted for a perfect 2 stop strategy.
I'll take artificial induced real racing over parades everyday.
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Old 04-15-2018, 11:13 PM   #279
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point taken.
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:30 AM   #280
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It's like he waited just long enough to specifically **** over Bottas and Vettel. Yup. **** him. Riccardo can pull off crazy moves without hitting anybody.

And clearly 10 seconds was not enough of a penalty for that dumb****ery.
IDK, I love the recklessness of Max, he's a wildcard driver in a sport of relatively conservative guys! I'm so glad that the Mercs haven't dominated so far this year too! 3 races and no silver arrow in P1 at the end! Lewis wanted to battle it our, he got that now!
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Old 04-16-2018, 01:48 PM   #281
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I'll take artificial induced real racing over parades everyday.
Yeah, no thanks. If you don't want to be 15 seconds behind, don't suck.
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Old 04-16-2018, 01:52 PM   #282
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Yeah, no thanks. If you don't want to be 15 seconds behind, don't suck.
Macy's has a race for you, it's on Thanksgiving.
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Old 04-16-2018, 04:57 PM   #283
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Hey, why not go with some other stupid Bernie ideas like sprinklers for every track?
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Old 04-16-2018, 05:47 PM   #284
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I just caught the race on ESPNs App on Amazon Fire TV. No commercials, nice coverage. Just had to stay away from any news for half a day.

Good race. Nice to see the top 6 being shifted around.
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Seems like that fits better with the parade you want.

I'll stick with the racing.
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Seems like that fits better with the parade you want.

I'll stick with the racing.
Random isn't racing.
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I wouldn't have minded the SC so much if the call hadn't been made right after Bottas and Vettel passed the pit entry.

I was talking to a buddy about this today. Doesn't NASCAR simultaneously wave the yellow and close pit lane? Then once the race leader comes around they reopen pit lane so the leader gets 1st shot at deciding to pit or not?
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(conspiracy theory mode) Did anyone notice how Hass (Jr Ferrari) caused a safety car in Bahrain leading to a Ferrari win. On Sunday, Toro Roso (Jr. Red Bull) took each other out (bonus points for Renault screaming on the radio "Zut Alore, the track is covered with carbon Merde! We need a safety car!!!") leading to a Red Bull win? Who's expecting a Merc engine car to punt the wall and bring out a safety car at the perfect time for a Merc win next week?(/conspiracy theory mode)
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I was talking to a buddy about this today. Doesn't NASCAR simultaneously wave the yellow and close pit lane? Then once the race leader comes around they reopen pit lane so the leader gets 1st shot at deciding to pit or not?
I literally was just thinking this.
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I was talking to a buddy about this today. Doesn't NASCAR simultaneously wave the yellow and close pit lane? Then once the race leader comes around they reopen pit lane so the leader gets 1st shot at deciding to pit or not?
The FIA did that about 10 years ago, except they only closed the exit. And then in Canada, Hamilton rear ended Kimi, while Rosberg almost rear ended Hamilton. Besides that risk, you also have the issue of locking out drivers that were going to make a scheduled stop already.
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Random isn't racing.
So Australia was better than China in your mind?
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The FIA did that about 10 years ago, except they only closed the exit. And then in Canada, Hamilton rear ended Kimi, while Rosberg almost rear ended Hamilton. Besides that risk, you also have the issue of locking out drivers that were going to make a scheduled stop already.
If you were going to make a scheduled stop, and have to wait one more lap, what's the difference? Under safety car you aren't going to lose as much track position / time. It's not like there are any concerns for running out of fuel in F1. If they do like every other racing series and close the pit when the safety car comes out, then you might see more people taking chances and diving to the pits when there is a random incident or debris (just like every other racing series).

Also, if they are going to penalize drivers for causing incidents they need to do more than add 10 seconds to their race. This isn't just this weekend with Max and Seb. I've never believed that a 10 second penalty is sufficient for ruining someone's race, or their entire car. Make it a drive through or a stop and hold.
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If you were going to make a scheduled stop, and have to wait one more lap, what's the difference? Under safety car you aren't going to lose as much track position / time. It's not like there are any concerns for running out of fuel in F1. If they do like every other racing series and close the pit when the safety car comes out, then you might see more people taking chances and diving to the pits when there is a random incident or debris (just like every other racing series).
Uh, if you pit after the SC has collected everybody for a lap, you're going to lose a ****load of track position.

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I said that earlier. 10 seconds was not nearly enough of a penalty for such a bone headed move that late in a race.
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Old 04-17-2018, 11:23 AM   #294
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Great shots, Acz. That must have been a fun experience!

As for the race, let's not forget that before the SC, it was going to be yet another race where the "pass" for the lead was made in the pit stops via the undercut. The SC itself is part of racing, yes, but it also creates a bit of an "artificial" race by throwing a wrench into the strategy and some drivers get fortunate and others get screwed. But that's the nature of it and it's pretty random. Not knocking it, just saying it's a bit artificial when saying "What a race!" But I agree with PantyRaider, it beats a procession, which is what F1 is by nature at this point. It's only random factors that can create exciting races now (SC, weather, incidents).

F1 is barely racing anymore, it's a technical exercise. It's a shame it takes a SC to get exciting racing. Once the order is established after the first lap, that's it. Your only chance to pass is in the pits or maybe with a different strategy but there's not a lot of possibilities. Your rivals will be well aware of your tire options and ready to cover them off. The only thing that can mix it up is a SC or weather. The cars can't even follow closely enough to show a wheel. They fall back so they don't overheat their tires/engine/brakes and we just get the procession waiting for luck to fall into someone's lap. It probably annoys me more how much Croft hypes up how bedazzling F1 is when there is such better racing elsewhere. Even Brundle right next to him is telling us during the race that the formula needs to be fixed, this following is a problem and the racing is suffering. And that's what he's saying "on camera". Based on his Tweets and column, he's as frustrated with this situation as many of us fans.

Back to China, RIC went beast mode on fresher, softer tires and carved the field up with some stupendous overtakes under braking. VES threw the same opportunity away repeatedly by being impatient, overconfident and a bit immature, although he has enough seasons under his belt at this point that the "immaturity" card is already almost out of the deck of excuses. I'm also glad RIC won because he's my favorite driver and the most fun guy on the grid.

Leclerc has been somewhat disappointing so far. He's only a few races in and won GP3 and F2 in back to back seasons, so he's got incredible talent. It will take some time for him to get up to speed but he hasn't hit the ground running.

The last 2 races have been decent and I'm personally very glad (and totally blown away) that Merc hasn't won any of the first 3 races. They still lead the constructor's by 1pt but we at least have a fight on our hands, for now. I'd also never have guessed McLaren would be 4th. But it's early doors yet.

Also, is there anywhere I can see the tire strategy for the different drivers in the race like they show in the practice graphics? I'd like to see who was on what tires so you can clearly see who did a 1 vs a 2 stop and on what tires.

EDIT: I just read Brundle's post-race column. Pretty good read: http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/240...s-seat-in-2019

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Also, is there anywhere I can see the tire strategy for the different drivers in the race like they show in the practice graphics? I'd like to see who was on what tires so you can clearly see who did a 1 vs a 2 stop and on what tires.
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Some news from today's strategy group & F1 commission meetings: FIA presented its proposals for the 2021 power unit regulations:

- 1.6 litre engine
- V6 Turbo Hybrid
- Deletion of MGU-H exhaust energy recovery
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Technical regulation changes for 2019:

- Increase the fuel allowance for the race from 105 to 110 kg, in order to be able to use the engine at full power at all times
- Separate the weight of the car from that of the driver
- Require all drivers to wear biometric gloves
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Bring back refueling to make multiple strategies viable.
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Uh, if you pit after the SC has collected everybody for a lap, you're going to lose a ****load of track position.
Positions, yes. But you still get to catch up to the back of the string of cars vs. being some 30 seconds back if the track was green. That's what I meant.

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Bring back refueling to make multiple strategies viable.
This, and do away with the mandate to use two different tire compounds during the race. Let the teams test and develop whatever strategy they want. The lap time deltas and the time lost in pit lane will sort itself out.

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Bring back refueling to make multiple strategies viable.
It is the height of absurdity to think that these cars are the epitome of technology, and then limit their fuel flow.

Agree with Mr. Counterfit completely on this one.

And as someone else mentioned, China would have been another procession without the safety car.
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