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Old 03-10-2017, 01:33 PM   #26
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I think his statement makes more sense if he's solely interested in new cars.

The light and tossable BMWs are the used ones
Agreed, debating on picking up a M2 to go with my M6GC, or waiting to score a nice, clean E30 M3. Hate the process of buying older cars though; kinda like a box of chocolates.
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Agreed, debating on picking up a M2 to go with my M6GC, or waiting to score a nice, clean E30 M3. Hate the process of buying older cars though; kinda like a box of chocolates.
Do you have an M6 GC already?

If it's a summer car and you enjoy wrenching I would just buy something that is obviously in **** shape but has potential. I don't think clean E30 M3s are close to what their market value is right now. My project car fantasy is to buy a busted E30 325is and clean it up to be a pristine S52-swapped daily.

I think that's a more rewarding driver than even an E46 M3 as a fun car.
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Do you have an M6 GC already?

If it's a summer car and you enjoy wrenching I would just buy something that is obviously in **** shape but has potential. I don't think clean E30 M3s are close to what their market value is right now. My project car fantasy is to buy a busted E30 325is and clean it up to be a pristine S52-swapped daily.

I think that's a more rewarding driver than even an E46 M3 as a fun car.
Yes, a '14 with carbon ceramic brakes, comp package. I have a '93 RX7, so I have the wrenching project well covered. =D I don't have room in the garage for more cars though, so it's either get rid of the rotary, or buy the lot behind my house and build a 2nd garage (further delaying any new toys)
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if you buy a half doz 100k cars with out budgetary considerations you have graduated to rich and you can make fun of just wealthy people

But my point was that I cant see getting much joy out of driving that M5 so I might as well get a less flamboyant and more comfortable 5 series
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Report – 2018 BMW M5 secrets are out

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Thanks to one of those very hush hush private previews that actually everyone finds out about, many of the juicy technical details of the all-new M5 high performance sedan have been spilled.

The all-new M5 (F90) is certainly keeping the headlines these past few weeks – both from official and unofficial sources – and while BMW organized a preview event this week at a warehouse in Belgium to showcase to select few in a so-called “Discovery Room” the M5, we weren’t supposed to know anything about it. And while the automaker knows the trick of using a VIN decoder to find out all the specs – it blocked the vehicle identification number located on the bottom of the windscreen – participants still snatched some juicy details. They were allowed to pop the hood and somebody actually memorized the VIN (they weren’t allowed to take any pictures) that’s located inside the engine bay and then used a BMW decoder.

So here it goes – the biturbo 4.4.-liter V8 engine is right where it’s supposed to be, at 600 horsepower (441 kilowatts) and 516 pound-feet (700 Newton-meters) of torque, sending all the oomph to the officially exposed AWD system with RWD mode. And according to a BMW M official, the 0-62 mph (0-100 kph) sprint will be finished in less than three and a half seconds. At the preview, the M5 wore a Marina Bay Blue Metallic paint with Merino/Silverstone leather interior, 20-inch two-tone alloy wheels, yellow carbon ceramic brakes and interesting details such as a carbon fiber double bubble roof.

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Old 05-26-2017, 09:50 AM   #31
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It does look awesome, which surprises me since I'm not usually a fan of bloated appliances.
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2017 BMW M5 previewed in new video ahead of weekend reveal

The most powerful and technically advanced BMW M5 yet will be revealed on 21 August, and in the run-up to the event, BMW has released a new preview video.

The upcoming Mercedes-AMG E63 rival can be seen driving at pace through a desert, with shots of its carbon-ceramic brakes and a close up of its front left corner. The shot shows the car's aggressive set of air intakes in the front bumper, as well as the grille-mounted M5 badge.

The clip comes two months after the model was featured in a trailer for the Need For Speed video game franchise. The M5 was also previously revealed in CAD images leaked by a company employee.

Full front and rear styling renderings of the car show the performance saloon's bumper treatment. The images were first revealed to a host of The Cammed & Tubbed Podcast.

BMW M5 prototype review: super saloon goes four-wheel drive

The launch timing of this next-generation M5 shows BMW's plans to produce M variants far earlier in models' lifecycles than it has done previously.

Just as the regular BMW 5 Series underwent a subtle styling overhaul between this generation and the next, the new M5 appears to be fairly restrained when compared with the more extreme M4. However, more significant updates have taken place under the bonnet.



Leaked documents revealed that the M5’s closest rival, the Mercedes-AMG E63, will produce 603bhp and 627lb ft. It’s expected that the M5 will closely match these figures, using an updated version of the current car’s 4.4-litre V8 petrol engine mated to a seven-speed dual-clutch automatic gearbox.

The upcoming next-generation M5 will be the first non-SUV M car available with all-wheel drive as an option. It is understood that BMW is concentrating on making the next M5 more driveable, with more mechanical grip and improved traction thanks to the xDrive four-wheel drive system and revised engine mapping. Three drive modes are available through the xDrive system; 4WD, 4WD Sport and 2WD - the latter of which drives the rear wheels. More drive modes are available through the car's other drive mode settings.

BMW wouldn't reveal how much power the new M5 would produce aside from "more than 600bhp”, but it's expected that 615bhp will be produced, with a weight-saving of 65kg over the outgoing model, and “significantly more than the current car’s 516lb ft of torque," equating to a 0-62mph time of less than 3.5sec.



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A new eight-speed torque converter automatic gearbox also features, as does a chain-driven clutch, which takes drive to the front axle on demand. There's also a rear differential developed from the one on the M3 and M4, with carbon clutch blades for quicker and more precise torque vectoring. The M5's suspension also gets new adaptive dampers.

On an Autocar drive of an M5 prototype, BMW M's vice president of engineering Dirk Hacker revealed that the new M5 is the first M car to have "a centralised controller with the power to control every sub-system governing lateral and longitudinal dynamics."

The optional xDrive would add to what is expected to be a £75,000 entry-level price for the new M5. That figure represents a slight increase over the outgoing car.

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AWD w/ selectable RWD only mode is awesome. Give the driver the choice. Dry and warm, RWd for power oversteer. Rain, or inclement weather, AWD. "Drift" mode on the RS is merely a power oversteer mode than sends 70% of power to the rear and 30% to the front. The journalists are all wrong about this mode as they just chewed up the Ford marketing. It's not even a drift mode as you have to be xtremely ham fisted to get it to slide, and even then the front wheels are still putting down 30% of power so it is as safe as kittens for anyone sane. BMW's application takes it a step forward and happy to see it. It's called choice.
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AWD w/ selectable RWD only mode is awesome. Give the driver the choice. Dry and warm, RWd for power oversteer. Rain, or inclement weather, AWD. "Drift" mode on the RS is merely a power oversteer mode than sends 70% of power to the rear and 30% to the front. The journalists are all wrong about this mode as they just chewed up the Ford marketing. It's not even a drift mode as you have to be xtremely ham fisted to get it to slide, and even then the front wheels are still putting down 30% of power so it is as safe as kittens for anyone sane. BMW's application takes it a step forward and happy to see it. It's called choice.
Someone didn't read a damn post from Scooby.
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Someone didn't read a damn post from Scooby.
Yawn. Nasioc, someone always looking for an argument. Punch your wall instead, you'll be more productive
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Lol..punch the wall it be more productive.. maby scooby is over the the average nasioc attention/i q level I don't even know what derp is, is it something a dog leaves behind its behind derp. Derp.
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Lol..punch the wall it be more productive.. maby scooby is over the the average nasioc attention/i q level I don't even know what derp is, is it something a dog leaves behind its behind derp. Derp.
Pretty sure derp is what southerners say after they finish ****ing their sisters.
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I don't see your posts on the awdrivetrain in this thread. Excuse em wah for not memorizing every f'in thing you've ver said on the subject on the forum
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BMW’s beefy high performance sedan is back with a vengeance. Now in its sixth generation, the mighty M5, which made its debut in 1984, is ready to rumble.

Under the hood, the 2018 BMW M5 packs a twin-turbo 4.4-liter V-8 engine with 600 hp and 553 lb-ft of torque, a 40 hp and 53 lb-ft bump over the old version.

The F10 M5’s seven-speed DCT was ditched for a new 8-speed M Steptronic automatic transmission. BMW’s M xDrive system promises a 0–60 mph run in 3.2 seconds.

Drivers can choose between fully automatic shifting in D mode, or opt for sequential gearshifts via the new short gear selector on the center console—or the M shift paddles on the steering wheel.

Top speed is 155 mph, or 189 mph if you pay for the optional M Driver’s Package.


The F90 M5 serves as the debut vehicle for BMW’s M-specific all-wheel-drive system, M xDrive. It allows the M5 to be switched between AWD and RWD modes, while the Active M Differential distributes the drive flow between the rear wheels, varying the locking effect as the situation demands.

“Thanks to M xDrive, the all-new BMW M5 can be piloted with the familiar blend of sportiness and unerring accuracy both on the racetrack and out on the open road, while also delighting drivers with its significantly enhanced directional stability and controllability right up to the limits of performance when driving in adverse conditions such as on wet roads or snow,” said Frank van Meel, BMW chairman, in a lengthy sentence.



The engine can be set to Efficient, Sport, or Sport Plus modes, and the sound from the exhaust system can be controlled to “further acoustic customization” with the push of a button. BMW says switching to the M Dynamic mode gives additional boost to the sedan’s handling agility.

“In this mode, more drive torque is directed to the rear axle, while the amount of permissible rear wheel slip is increased. While doing so, the onset of oversteer is noticeable in good time and the linear increase of the sideslip angle means that the vehicle remains stable,” noted BMW’s release.

Up front, the double-wishbone suspension has been reworked and stability is improved thanks to the increased track width. The five-link rear suspension has also been modified for better handling.


“Thanks to M xDrive, the new BMW M5 goes beyond the precise, agile drive that we’ve come to expect,” said Timo Glock, F1 vet and BMW works driver, in a release adding, “It also serves up a noticeable boost in traction and controllability, both in everyday situations and at the dynamic limit.”

You don’t have to take Glock’s word for it. European Bureau Chief Georg Kacher drove an M5 prototype three months ago and wrote, “Not only does this new M5 curve and carve through radii at whatever degree of ostentatiousness that appeals to you most, it also slides and swings out of corners with raw urge and determination. This adds up to a new quality of balance at the limit that makes for faster cornering speeds and more complete control. The key is in the flow, which paves the way for seamless motions and well-mannered drifts. Less drama and more fun is indeed a compelling new formula, one that pictures M3 and M4, for better or worse, as old-school tools. There is no doubt about it: way the M division has set up its all-wheel drive system makes drifting more manageable, elegant, faster, and more rewarding.”

The M5 rolls on 275/40R19 rubber up front and 285/40R19 tires at rear. These are mounted on five-double-spoke cast wheels in Orbit Gray. M compound brakes are also fitted as standard.

M carbon-ceramic brakes with gold-colored calipers are optional and help shed 50 pounds of weight. An aluminum hood and carbon fiber-reinforced plastic also help keep the weight down.

Inside, the four-door sedan seats four passengers. The touchscreen or Head-Up Display can be activated using BMW Gesture control.


Bucket seats are trimmed in Merino leather with aluminum trim and other carbon-structure materials are used throughout the cabin. BMW now offers a new shade of blue in Marina Bay Blue Metallic for the M5.

There’s a special BMW M5 First Edition available that is limited to 400 cars worldwide, with 50 of those slated for the U.S.

First Edition M5s get exclusive Frozen Dark Red Metallic paint and high-gloss Shadow Line trim. They also sport high-gloss black on the kidney grille, M gills, and the four tailpipes of the exhaust. First Editions roll on 20-inch seven-double-spoke black wheels.

Inside, it gets Piano Finish Black flourishes, a production number plaque, M multifunction seats upholstered in Smoke White leather with red contrast stitching.

The 2018 BMW M5 will go on sale this coming spring. Pricing will be announced closer to the launch date.

2018 BMW M5
ON SALE Spring 2018
PRICE $100,000 (est)
ENGINE 4.4L twin-turbo DOHC 32-valve V-8/600 hp @ 6,600 rpm and 553 lb-ft @5,700 rpm
TRANSMISSION 8-speed automatic
LAYOUT 4-door, 4-passenger, front-engine, AWD/RWD sedan
EPA MILEAGE N/A
L X W X H 195.5 x 74.9 x 57.9 in
WHEELBASE 117.4 in
WEIGHT 4,255 lb
0-60 MPH 3.2 sec
TOP SPEED 155/189 mph
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So powerful yet so heavy
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Actually, given its 117" wheelbase, I think 4,255 lbs is not bad, it's a fairly large car, it couldn't be realistically much lighter than 4000 lbs.
For comparison purposes, the much/well loved Chevy SS sedan has a 114" wheelbase (3 inch shorter wheelbase) and weighs in a hair below 4000 lbs.
The Charger Hellcat has a 120" wheelbase (3" longer wheelbase) and sits at nearly 4600 lbs.
So, the M5 seems to fall right in the middle in terms of wheelbase and curb weight; so, IMO, not bad at all for such a large sedan.
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Apparently 100+ lbs lighter than current M5 while gaining AWD. This class of car isn't for everybody. If the specs are correct, and the new setup is at least as involving to drive as the RWD CTS-V or GS F, and better than a 4MATIC MercEAMG, I'd call it a win. It's gonna be nasty quick.
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Won't be in my garage - I'm dumping the M5, X5, and Mac. I think a Vanquish will replace the M5 - 150K off on new ones!
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Won't be in my garage - I'm dumping the M5, X5, and Mac. I think a Vanquish will replace the M5 - 150K off on new ones!
I was playing around last night on the configurator and decided to see if there is a local Aston Martin dealer. Turns out, there is not one in Salt Lake City or Utah and the closest is Denver or Vegas. More or less just took the Aston off the list for me. No feasible way to service and have warranty work done if needed.
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I was playing around last night on the configurator and decided to see if there is a local Aston Martin dealer. Turns out, there is not one in Salt Lake City or Utah and the closest is Denver or Vegas. More or less just took the Aston off the list for me. No feasible way to service and have warranty work done if when needed.
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I was playing around last night on the configurator and decided to see if there is a local Aston Martin dealer. Turns out, there is not one in Salt Lake City or Utah and the closest is Denver or Vegas. More or less just took the Aston off the list for me. No feasible way to service and have warranty work done if needed.
If you must have an Aston, get a DBS or Vantage V12 in manual - either would be out of warranty period and you could use yer guy or better yet, do the work yourself.

Didn't know you were a SLC'er - I do day trips to ski - it's actually easier than Tahoe from the SFBay area. Love the food you guys have too - would never think of SLC as a food mecca, but I'd take it over SF any day. My buddy fell in love with a waitress at The Copper Onion
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