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Old 07-27-2018, 07:44 AM   #1
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GM Reportedly Considering Killing Off Six Cars by 2020: Three Chevrolets, Two Cadillacs, One Buick


The possibility, or even the necessity, of turning General Motors’ Hamtramck, Michigan, passenger car assembly plant into an SUV/crossover facility in the next half-decade has the company considering the discontinuation of the Chevrolet Impala, Chevrolet Volt, Buick LaCrosse, and recently launched Cadillac CT6.

According to a report in Reuters, General Motors is in talks with the United Auto Workers about replacing the increasingly unpopular products currently built in Hamtramck with in-demand utility vehicles. Also in question is the future of the Michigan-built Chevrolet Sonic and the Canada-built Cadillac XTS, which has enjoyed stays of execution in the past.

On average, GM had a 111-day supply of the six models in its U.S. showrooms heading into July 2017. 70 days’ worth of supply would be appropriate. Combined, the Impala, Volt, LaCrosse, CT6, Sonic, and XTS account for 6 percent of GM’s U.S. sales in 2017.

In 2008, the Impala, LaCrosse, and the Sonic’s Aveo predecessor — merely three of the nameplates — accounted for 12 percent of a much more voluminous GM U.S. operation.

The Hamtramck facility most obviously in question saw its production dive 20 percent in the first half of 2017, year-over-year.

More than just the 20-percent drop in first-half production — and the 72-percent plunge in June production — is the simple rarity of a Hamtramck-built vehicle exiting the plant. Only 56,346 vehicles were built in Hamtramck in the first six months of 2017.

During the same period, GM had seven North American assembly plants that built at least 100,000 vehicles: Arlington, Texas’ full-size SUV plant; Fort Wayne, Indiana’s full-size pickup truck plant; Wentzville, Missouri’s van and midsize pickup truck facility; Fairfax, Kansas’ Malibu site; Ingersoll, Ontario’s compact crossover factory; San Luis Potosi, Mexico’s crossover factory; and Silao, Mexico’s full-size pickup plant.

The UAW wants some of that for Hamtramck. Regarding underused facilities in Michigan and Ohio, “We are talking to [GM] right now about the products they currently have,” UAW president Dennis Williams says.

It’s not as though plans aren’t in the works to add capacity at car-centric facilities. The next Cadillac utility vehicle will be built alongside the Chevrolet Malibu in Kansas, for example. But while pre-recession GM kept the assembly plants that hosted unpopular cars humming by sending low-demand cars to daily rental fleets, GM is (gradually) attempting to bolster residual values by more closely matching production to retail demand.

As a result, GM light truck production in North America is up 13 percent this year, but GM passenger car production is down 12 percent. Cars account for only 26 percent of the vehicles built by GM in North America this year, according to the Automotive News Data Center.

Not surprisingly, only 26 percent of the vehicles sold by GM in the U.S. in 2017’s first six months were cars. Car production, of course, has been reined in because of decreased car demand across the industry. GM car sales are down 17 percent in the U.S. in 2017; overall industry-wide car sales are down 12 percent, forming just 37 percent of U.S. auto sales.

As for the models most in question, there are numerous reasons each vehicle may be deemed worthy of elimination at the end of their current lifecycles. The Buick LaCrosse is a premium-priced, mid-tier large car that is on track for its worst-ever calendar year of U.S. sales. GM averaged 54,000 annual LaCrosse sales in its first 11 years but is likely to sell fewer than 25,000 in a dying segment in 2017.

In that same segment, a Chevrolet Impala that once targeted fleet markets with all the tenacity GM’s Chevrolet Silverado now musters to advertise against the Ford F-150, is now attracting barely more than 5,000 monthly buyers. Only two years ago, GM was selling nearly 10,000 Impalas per month. A decade ago, GM was selling more than 22,000 Impalas per month.

The Chevrolet Sonic’s struggles were documented earlier this week. As U.S. subcompact sales tumble, the Chevrolet Sonic is tumbling much faster than the segment at large.

GM has never found the Chevrolet Volt to be as popular as the company had initially hoped. Now in its second generation, the Volt is undeniably one of GM’s more impressive engineering accomplishments. In fact, 2017 is on pace to be the Volt’s best year ever. But “best,” for the Volt, means fewer than 30,000 annual sales. If the Volt was produced as a utility vehicle, foretold somewhat by 2010’s Volt MPV5 Concept, perhaps GM could find the Volt sales the company anticipated in 2010.

As for the Cadillac duo, the XTS will by 2020 be operating on a thoroughly aged platform. Its DTS predecessor used to sell more than 80,000 copies per year. In 2017, XTS sales are down by a quarter, year-over-year, and 17,000 sales are unlikely.

The CT6, meanwhile, was only launched a year ago. Why the hurry to eliminate the big sedan, sales of which top 1,000 units per month in the U.S.? For starters, the discontinuation is reported to occur in 2020 or soon thereafter, by which time the CT6 would be at least five years old. If current trends continue, luxury sedan buyers will be rare indeed by the next decade.

Nevertheless, GM’s president of North American operations, Alan Batey, tells Reuters, “I don’t think we have too many sedans.”

Whether you think GM would be mistaken to eliminate six cars from its U.S. lineup by 2020 or mistaken to keep them, there’s no doubt that confirming such a plan in 2017 would most definitely be a mistake.

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Old 07-27-2018, 09:04 AM   #2
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Killing off the Volt? Yikes... future not looking good for EV for a while, yet.
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Old 07-27-2018, 09:32 AM   #3
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GM is looking to drop models that don't sell well...this is news? Aside from the Volt, would anyone notice if these vehicles disappeared? So, let them go.
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Eh, the Bolt is still a thing. The Volt was fairly expensive for what it was.
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They are killing the ATS sedan for 2019.
I wanted a ATS-V sedan. I dont coupes
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I foresee a bunch of hybrid and EV CUV's on the horizon. Winter is coming.
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Eh, the Bolt is still a thing. The Volt was fairly expensive for what it was.
The Bolt is a much better car in this segment. Despite marketing to the contrary, the Volt was really just a hybrid that was capable of limited battery only operation. It wasn't a true electric vehicle the way the Bolt is.

This doesn't surprise me though. Everyone wants crossovers. Dodge/Chrysler only has three cars left, two of them are twins, and all three are built off the same platform. Ford is killing their cars in the US save the Mustang and some sort of Focus. Times are changing.
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I wanted a ATS-V sedan. I dont coupes
It's being replaced by a CT# sedan. The CTS will also be replaced.

Cadillac is moving on to CT# for cars and XT# for crossovers.

Escalade will remain the Escalade and the Escala might make it to production, which they'll both stand as flagships.
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The Bolt is a much better car in this segment. Despite marketing to the contrary, the Volt was really just a hybrid that was capable of limited battery only operation. It wasn't a true electric vehicle the way the Bolt is.

This doesn't surprise me though. Everyone wants crossovers. Dodge/Chrysler only has three cars left, two of them are twins, and all three are built off the same platform. Ford is killing their cars in the US save the Mustang and some sort of Focus. Times are changing.
Obviously, I'm no market expert, but it seems like GM is using the excuse that people now prefer SUVs/CUVs/Crossovers to kill some of their cars.
But, I contend that some of GM cars are simply not doing well regardless of the Crossover/SUV craze.
For instance, so far, Impala/LaCrosse combined sales are just shy of 40K units while combined Charger/300 sales are close to 65K.
Taurus sold 24K, so far.
So, it seems to me, that some people still buy cars; just not what GM and Ford are peddling.
The FCA/Dodge/Chrysler products are riding on the oldest platform by far, and yet, it's selling the best because, unlike GM and Ford, FCA is marketing and advertising the **** out of what they have.
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I agree that the Bolt is a much better car than the Volt, as far as electrics go. I also think that GM would be wise to build an electric powered crossover. People like the form factor, and the likes of Tesla and Jaguar are already selling these at the posh end of the market.
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Obviously, I'm no market expert, but it seems like GM is using the excuse that people now prefer SUVs/CUVs/Crossovers to kill some of their cars.
But, I contend that some of GM cars are simply not doing well regardless of the Crossover/SUV craze.
For instance, so far, Impala/LaCrosse combined sales are just shy of 40K units while combined Charger/300 sales are close to 65K.
Taurus sold 24K, so far.
So, it seems to me, that some people still buy cars; just not what GM and Ford are peddling.
The FCA/Dodge/Chrysler products are riding on the oldest platform by far, and yet, it's selling the best because, unlike GM and Ford, FCA is marketing and advertising the **** out of what they have.
The bigger issue is the fragmentation in the portfolio for GM and Ford that doesn't apply to FCA. How many people are willing to pay more for a Impala/Taurus vs. a Malibu/Fusion? The answer is probably not many. FCA only has the L platform now so they don't run into the same issue of a "mid-size" vs. full size car.
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The bigger issue is the fragmentation in the portfolio for GM and Ford that doesn't apply to FCA. How many people are willing to pay more for a Impala/Taurus vs. a Malibu/Fusion? The answer is probably not many. FCA only has the L platform now so they don't run into the same issue of a "mid-size" vs. full size car.
Yes sir, that's very true; I lost track of that.
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Last year, reports indicated General Motors planned to pull the plug on the Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrid. The latest information suggests the Volt isn’t going anywhere, however.

Automotive News reported Monday that the Volt will not die, but if it does, it will be in body style only. The Volt will enter showrooms for 2019 with updated charging technology for quicker charging times, but a redesign will happen in the early 2020s. It’s at that time the Volt could potentially morph into a plug-in hybrid crossover vehicle and ditch its hatchback body style.

We previously argued a switch to a crossover style for the Volt would only do good things for the plug-in car, though the hatchback is pretty darn handy as it sits.

Aside from the Volt’s new lease on life, Chevrolet may also plan for a new battery-electric crossover to debut in 2021. The CUV will reportedly be close in size to the Equinox and may have even once been a Buick. The latter has reportedly put its electric-car plans on hold as GM works through inevitably losing its federal tax credits for electric cars, perhaps as soon as this year.

We also heard Chevrolet showed a battery-electric performance vehicle to its dealerships earlier this year, too.
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Old 07-28-2018, 08:09 AM   #14
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Chevy Impala Sales Increase 46 Percent To 13,595 Units In Second Quarter 2018


Chevrolet Impala sales increased in the United States and in Canada in the second quarter of 2018.

Chevrolet Impala Sales - Q2 2018 - United States

In the United States, Chevrolet Impala deliveries totaled 13,595 units in Q2 2018, an increase of about 46 percent compared to 9,290 units sold in Q2 2017.

In the first six months of the year, Impala sales decreased about 12 percent to 27,662 units.

MODEL Q2 2018 / Q2 2017 Q2 2018 Q2 2017 YTD 2018 / YTD 2017 YTD 2018 YTD 2017
IMPALA +46.34% 13,595 9,290 -11.66% 27,662 31,312

Chevrolet Impala Sales - Q2 2018 - Canada

In Canada, Chevrolet Impala deliveries totaled 1,384 units in Q2 2018, an increase of about 9 percent compared to 1,266 units sold in Q2 2017.

In the first six months of the year, Impala sales increased about 10 percent to 2,134 units.

MODEL Q2 2018 / Q2 2017 Q2 2018 Q2 2017 YTD 2018 / YTD 2017 YTD 2018 YTD 2017
IMPALA +9.32% 1,384 1,266 +9.94% 2,134 1,941
Chevrolet Impala Sales - Q2 2018 - South Korea

In South Korea, Chevrolet Impala deliveries totaled 348 units in Q2 2018, a decrease of about 68 percent compared to 1,086 units sold in Q2 2017.

In the first six months of the year, Impala sales decreased about 63 percent to 826 units.
MODEL Q2 2018 / Q2 2017 Q2 2018 Q2 2017 YTD 2018 / YTD 2017 YTD 2018 YTD 2017
IMPALA -67.96% 348 1,086 -63.04% 826 2,235



After a dismal December 2017 sales and lackluster performance in January, February and March, Impala sales spiked in the second quarter of 2018. In fact, the model posted the highest growth rate out of all vehicles in the segment, enabling it to significantly outperform the segment as a whole.

The performance propelled the Impala to second place in the segment during the month by sales volume, behind the Dodge Charger in first place (see Dodge Charger sales) yet ahead of the Chrysler 300 in third (see Chrysler 300 sales), Nissan Maxima in fourth, Toyota Avalon in fifth, as well as the Ford Taurus (see Ford Taurus sales) and Kia Cadenza. The Hyundai Azera and Volkswagen CC brought up the last two spots, but both models have already been discontinued.

Notably, the Toyota Avalon, which is all-new for the 2019 model year, was the only other vehicle in the segment to see sales increase in the second quarter.

It’s currently unclear why the Impala saw the significant sales spike in the second quarter, but we have a feeling that sales to daily rental fleets are responsible for the bulk of the increase.

Sales Numbers - Full-Size Mainstream Sedans - Q2 2018 - United States

MODEL Q2 2018 / Q2 2017 Q2 2018 Q2 2017 YTD 2018 / YTD 2017 YTD 2018 YTD 2017
CHARGER -3.33% 20,141 20,834 -4.05% 41,406 43,153
IMPALA +46.34% 13,595 9,290 -11.66% 27,662 31,312
300 -11.32% 11,715 13,210 -12.61% 24,707 28,273
MAXIMA -35.32% 10,298 15,922 -23.69% 24,052 31,519
AVALON +9.58% 8,919 8,139 +16.49% 19,495 16,735
TAURUS -8.95% 7,893 8,669 -20.39% 15,540 19,521
CADENZA -26.67% 1,122 1,530 +24.33% 3,301 2,655
AZERA -71.90% 236 840 -65.85% 612 1,792
CC -60.22% 142 357 -68.01% 294 919
TOTAL -6.00% 74,061 78,791 -10.69% 157,069 175,879
Nissan Maxima and Volkswagen CC are not full-size sedans, but rather midsize models with more premium content over the similarly-sized Nissan Altima and Volkswagen Passat, respectively. We included both in the report since both models carry similar pricing structures to vehicles in the mainstream full-size sedan segment.

The full-size mainstream sedan segment contracted 6 percent in the second quarter and 10.7 percent in the first six months of 2018.



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The Chevrolet Impala is a full-size sedan. It is the biggest Chevrolet sedan currently offered, slotting above the subcompact Chevrolet Sonic, compact Chevrolet Cruze and midsize Chevrolet Malibu.

The current model was introduced for the 2014 model year and represents the tenth generation of the storied Impala nameplate. It rides on the GM Super Epsilon platform shared with the second-generation Buick LaCrosse and Cadillac XTS.

Compared to its ninth-generation predecessor, the tenth-gen Impala is an all-new vehicle that is larger, sleeker and more modern. Chevrolet modified its strategy for the new model, as the ninth-gen model was sold to rental fleets in significant quantities, while the tenth-gen is primarily entended for purchase by consumers at the retail level. This condition alone has resulted in a strategic decrease in sales volume of the current model.

Going forward, it is unclear whether the Impala will live on to see a next, 11th generation, as comments by GM executives have left the vehicle’s future in limbo, mostly as a result of a change in consumer vehicle buying dynamics that is beginning to favor crossover utility vehicles (CUVs) at the expense of sedans.

The Chevrolet Impala is assembled at the following plants for global markets:

GM Detroit-Hamtramck factory in Michigan operated by GM USA
GM Oshawa factory in Ontario operated by GM Canada
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All percent change figures compared to Chevrolet Impala Q2 2017 sales
In the United States, there were 77 selling days in Q2 2018 and 77 selling days in Q2 2017

In Canada, there were 77 selling days in Q2 2018 and 76 selling days in Q2 2016
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Why isn't GM using the Volt/Bolt techs in an SUV? Makes no sense to me that they developed that tech and then don't use it across its lineup.
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because they lose money on every Volt? well, not sure about the current generation Volt, but they definitely did for the 1st gen.
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Because it looks like a Kia.

When I first came up behind the latest-generation Impala, my first thought was: Hey, Kia came out with a new model!

I got closer and saw the Chevy bowtie, and my next thought was: When did Kia start making cars for Chevy?

Then I realized it was just Chevy copying Kia's successful designs to ride on their coattails. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Chevy is giving Kia some major props and increasing sales because of it.
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GM will kill off these 6 Chevy, Buick, and Cadillac sedans when it idles select factories in 2019

General Motors announced a major shift in its business strategy on Monday that will see the automaker shift its focus toward trucks, SUVs, and electric vehicles.

The announcement also signals a shift away from the traditional sedan, which has been losing sales to crossovers and SUVs for much of the past decade.

As a result, the company said it would "unallocate" production at three assembly plants that build sedans: Oshawa Assembly in Canada, Detroit-Hamtramck Assembly in Michigan, and Lordstown Assembly in Ohio.

To unallocate production simply means GM won't assign any models to be produced at these facilities beyond 2019. According to Matthew DeBord, Business Insider's senior transportation correspondent, GM can't officially close these plants under its current UAW contract, set to be renegotiated in 2019.

GM said it would also idle two factories in Maryland and Michigan that supply transmissions to those three assembly plants.

The company also announced it would reduce its salaried and salaried contract employees by 15%, including a 25% reduction in the number of executives. That equates to more than 14,000 jobs.

GM says the new strategy will save the company $6 billion.

As for the cars made at the soon-to-be-idled plants, GM has confirmed that they too will get the ax.

Based on the numbers, the automaker's move away from sedans makes sense. Through the first three quarters of this year, GM's US sales were down 1.2%, though its sedans performed, on the whole, substantially worse.

For example, US sales of the Lordstown-produced Chevrolet Cruze compact sedan were down 26.5% from the same period last year. The Hamtramck-made Chevrolet Volt range-extended EV saw sales fall by 13.7%, while sales of the full-size Chevy Impala, made at Oshawa and Hamtramck, were down 13.4%.

Hamtramck's Buick LaCrosse and Cadillac CT6 saw sales fall by 14.2% and 10.6%. The only model set to get the ax with positive sales growth is Oshawa's Cadillac XTS, which was up 15.9%.

Read more: GM will stop building cars at 3 North American factories and cut its salaried workforce by 15% in 2019 as it shifts to electric and self-driving cars

While sales have slipped, many of GM's sedans have earned critical acclaim. For example, the current-generation full-size Impala has long been praised for its comfort and refinement and has frequently appeared on Consumer Reports' "Top Picks" list.

"The Impala continues to be a gem among large cars, providing a driving experience that's more akin to a luxury car," the publication said of the Chevy earlier this year.

The Cadillac CT6 represents a high point of American luxury-car making.

"The Cadillac's superb amalgamation of luxury and performance makes the CT6 a true standout in the luxury market," Business Insider said in a 2017 comparison with the Lincoln Continental.

And then there's the Chevrolet Volt. The range-extended EV helped push GM toward the forefront of production electric-propulsion technology when it debuted in 2011. The current-generation Volt debuted in 2016 with expanded capabilities.

Here's a closer look at the six sedans GM is set to discontinue:

Chevrolet Cruze: Production ends March 1. The company sold 109,662 in the US through September.

2. Chevrolet Volt: Production ends March 1. The company sold 13,243 in the US through Sept.

3. Buick LaCrosse: Production ends March 1. The company sold 13,409 through September.

4. Chevrolet Impala: Production ends June 1. The company sold 43,952 through September.


5. Cadillac CT6: Production ends June 1. The company sold 7,270 through September.

6. Cadillac XTS: Production ends Q4 2019. The company sold 12,664 through September.
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I have to admit GM’s latest cars are not that bad and a considerable improvement on anything they have brought to the market over the last 30 years. It just took them too long.
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I have to admit GM’s latest cars are not that bad and a considerable improvement on anything they have brought to the market over the last 30 years. It just took them too long.
Disagree. My wife defected from GM (she's from a devoted GM family) due to her Malibu's issues, and the line has only gotten worse (as reported to us from owners of later MYs) and won't own another one again. That car was a money pit well before it reached 200k miles. We basically bought a used outback that had close to the same miles as our Malibu and it required way less maintenance costs than the Malibu required.
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GM Marketing: "If we make our cars look like Kia, they'll sell."
They forgot to add reliability to the mix.
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Disagree. My wife defected from GM (she's from a devoted GM family) due to her Malibu's issues, and the line has only gotten worse (as reported to us from owners of later MYs) and won't own another one again. That car was a money pit well before it reached 200k miles. We basically bought a used outback that had close to the same miles as our Malibu and it required way less maintenance costs than the Malibu required.
Buys Outback, expects low maintenance...lol
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Old 11-30-2018, 03:53 PM   #23
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It doesn't help that GM's marketing sucks. It basically consists of,"Hey are vehicles actually won some awards. They aren't total ****, like everyone thinks."

You know it's bad when parody videos like these are made about your commercials:

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Old 11-30-2018, 03:59 PM   #24
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Cadillac wins the award for shortest lifespan of any new model.
They’ve 86’d so many of them.
The ELR was neat looking.
But there wasn’t a market for a two-door hybrid that cost (guessing) $70,000.
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Old 11-30-2018, 04:44 PM   #25
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Seems strange to cut the Cruze if it's selling over 100,000 models in 9 months.
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